Kate Kelly Is At It Again

[Ahab]

CFR where she says she DESERVES the priesthood. Let's not put words in her mouth.

Surely you don't think she thinks women don't deserve to be ordained to the priesthood. Why else would she be so adamant about her cause? Edited August 27, 2014 by Ahab

[wenglund]

I appreciate that you can see a difference in criticism and insults. I also agree that this is much like a divorce.

 

I didn't see gender based insults (not sure if I have seen them anywhere I have read actually when referring to KK), nor did I talk about them.  What I was saying was that because she is all about the role of gender and the priesthood, other people, who are not members* of the church, will see insulting her as a way of slamming women.  

 

I am not missing your point.  I caught it loud and clear.  

 

When members insult her, others will see her as the underdog or the victim.  Those who are the real victims are those who watch all of this and choose not to have something to do with the church - after all they have heard about shunning of those who have left the church they will now feel like they are seeing it with their own eyes.

 

* and some members who struggle with women/priesthood concepts 

 

No, you really don't get it. Reproving KK betimes for her bad behavior is quite different from insulting and shunning her. Those who mistakenly conflate the two are only victims of their own errant thinking. 

 

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[Scott Lloyd]

 

It is a thought that is supported by a 2009 reports from Obama's Department of Labor of all places: "This study leads to the unambiguous conclusion that the differences in the compensation of men and women are the result of a multitude of factors and that the raw wage gap should not be used as the basis to justify corrective action. Indeed, there may be nothing to correct. The differences in raw wages may be almost entirely the result of the individual choices being made by both male and female workers.” (Quoted HERE.)

 

Granted, the above statement is made in relation to the gender gap in wages, but I believe it also applies to other gender issue in the work place. 

 

For a more expanded analysis of the misleading gender wage gap, see my blog post HERE.

 

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

I had an inkling this would be the case. Thanks for the corroboration.

[sonova perdition]

Did I miss something? Isn't the history of the Church replete with stories about women providing blessings? My grandmother in Salem UT blessed and anointed my dad at the tender age of 8 when he was stomped by a horse and it seemed to do him some good. Smith promised to the Relief Sciety that the sisters would soon hold all the keys of the Kingdom, as did the men. Finally where in doctrine are women excluded from the priesthood? We know that Junia was a post-crucifixion apostle nd was definitely a woman. I am reminded by Cromwell's charge to the Long Parliament," I beseech you, in the Body of Christ, think that you may be wrong." Or even better for you lot, "think that you probably are completely wrong."

[Calm]

Did I miss something? Isn't the history of the Church replete with stories about women providing blessings? My grandmother in Salem UT blessed and anointed my dad at the tender age of 8 when he was stomped by a horse and it seemed to do him some good. Smith promised to the Relief Sciety that the sisters would soon hold all the keys of the Kingdom, as did the men. Finally where in doctrine are women excluded from the priesthood? We know that Junia was a post-crucifixion apostle nd was definitely a woman. I am reminded by Cromwell's charge to the Long Parliament," I beseech you, in the Body of Christ, think that you may be wrong." Or even better for you lot, "think that you probably are completely wrong."

And if we apply this standard to you,what reason do we have to do anything but think you are completely wrong?

Since when does giving blessings require the priesthood?

Edited August 28, 2014 by calmoriah

[Tacenda]

I agree newcomer, welcome!! We seem to be going backwards indeed and at the hands of fallible men.

[Storm Rider]

  YOu may be correct but Ms. Kelly believes that  the Holy Ghost was and is guiding her and from listening to her she is just as fervant that she is being directed as you may be.  So how can you judge?

 

Facetious question deserves facetious and very simple answer - I know that I am talking to the Light and it is very evident to me that she is talking to the dark one; you know the one that teaches you to be selfish, demand that your will, your desires, your wants are all that is important in life.  

[sonova perdition]

Priesthood holders, specifically melchezidek priesthood holders, have been required to officiate at anointings and blessing since 1940, look it up--uomo. And that should give you an idea as to how to apply Cromwell's warning, or even Occam's Rasor, to anything I write--uomo. Now....show me the doctrinal injunction that specifically says that only men (or boys) can hold the priesthood. Further rectify it with this passage from Paul in Romans 16:7," Greet Andronicus and Junia, my fellow Jews who have been in prison with me. They are outstanding among the apostles, and they were in Christ before I was." Just to throw a bit of gas on the fire the general thinking of bible scholars is that Junia was an unwed jewish woman who followed the Christ during his life. Let me repeat that, an unwed Jewish female apostle.

[Duncan]

Priesthood holders, specifically melchezidek priesthood holders, have been required to officiate at anointings and blessing since 1940, look it up--uomo. And that should give you an idea as to how to apply Cromwell's warning, or even Occam's Rasor, to anything I write--uomo. Now....show me the doctrinal injunction that specifically says that only men (or boys) can hold the priesthood. Further rectify it with this passage from Paul in Romans 16:7," Greet Andronicus and Junia, my fellow Jews who have been in prison with me. They are outstanding among the apostles, and they were in Christ before I was." Just to throw a bit of gas on the fire the general thinking of bible scholars is that Junia was an unwed jewish woman who followed the Christ during his life. Let me repeat that, an unwed Jewish female apostle.

 

 

seems there is debate if Junia was a woman, besides of which we don't ordain women in our day, unless you live 2000 years ago and are taunting us! Phillistine

Edited August 28, 2014 by Duncan

[sonova perdition]

Oh, I apologize, I thought i was addressing men and women who are representatives and members of a restored gospel that was taken from the earth sometime after the Pauline portion of the Bible was written and canonized. Therefore a statement like," we don't ordain women in our day, unless you live[d] 2000 years ago and are taunting us" would garner a response like ,"yes, absolutely--that's the way we should do it--the gospel of the Christ is restored you know and we practice exactly like the early Christian Communities!" As to her sex, there is little or no debate. As to who she was there is some debate regarding whether she is Junia or Joanna the wife of Chuza (in this case Junia, or Juniam is her Latin name and Joanna her aramaic/herbraic name. What website is this then? Oh and Philistine is spelled with a single l, next time you feel the need to use it.