Fair Conference?

[mfbukowski]

So many good talks. Marvin Perkins on Blacks in the Scriptures, Sharon Eubanks on "This is a Woman's Church," Hannah Smith on legal battles now waging to preserve religious liberty. Many other wonderful speakers and topics.

The talk by Sister Eubanks, in my opinion should set the direction we should take in addressing these issues.

 

Phenomenal talk, brought tears to my eyes.

 

Sorry I missed the others of you who were there.  We should make plans to meet up somewhere next year.

[mfbukowski]

There was a time when this board was awash with discussions during and about the FAIR Conference.

 

I particularly miss not having Blair Hodges posting his daily notes on conference addresses.

 

That was a valued way of including those unable to attend or who couldn't afford the cost of streamed videos of the presentations.

 

So, in that same spirit, would one of the current attendees please be so kind as to post some news of the conference here...anything?

 

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

There were no talks about evolution- THAT is why no one here cares. 

[mfbukowski]

Anyone can tell us a little about what Barry Bickmore talked about on Joseph Smith Among the Early Christians?

I will give you the bottom line- pages and pages of references showing that early Christianity was full of "Mormon" beliefs.

 

He actually made me part with a few bucks to buy the book. 

[mfbukowski]

It's theories like this that just baffle me.

 

Alma 11 is 500 years after Lehi left Jerusalem.  The prevailing demographic theory for the Book of Mormon says that the Lehites joined with existing populations and adopted their culture and language (while preserving their Christianity and Hebrew record keeping).  Yet we're supposed to believe that they also introduced a monetary system that lasted for five centuries in a primitive society?  But their advanced technology and agricultural knowledge was quickly lost?

Take off your Karnak turban- you haven't even heard what he said.

 

I know that's usually not important to you, but this time you blew it.

 

And rep points from others who can read minds?  I guess prophecy still exists in the church after all.

[cinepro]

Take off your Karnak turban- you haven't even heard what he said.

 

I know that's usually not important to you, but this time you blew it.

 

And rep points from others who can read minds?  I guess prophecy still exists in the church after all.

 

Oh, my mistake.  For some reason I assumed his presentation was on amazing correlations between the Nephite monetary system described in Alma 11 and Egyptian and Hebrew monetary units, with the idea that the Lehite point of contact was responsible for those correlations. 

 

If it was about a different Nephite monetary system, I apologize.

[Teancum]

We're plainly clueless idiots.

Certainly I am.

Really Dr. Peterson don't you tire of this old worn out bad sarcasm and self deprecation? You really need a new style. Take it as friendly advice from someone who really does like you. Edited August 11, 2014 by Teancum

[Teancum]

Panel discussion on Family Members Who Left is going on now.

Very insightful.

The general consensus seems to be to do what you can to maintain a relationship, even if it means backing off from argumentation.

And, in allusion to a thread about this of some months ago, no, there are no ex-Mormons on the panel. I continue to believe that unnecessary and potentially problematical.

Sure! Why would you care what someone who is disaffected feels about all this? It may hurt your confirmation bias.

[ChristKnight]

I will give you the bottom line- pages and pages of references showing that early Christianity was full of "Mormon" beliefs.

 

He actually made me part with a few bucks to buy the book. 

 

Ah, ok, thanks.  I have his book, "Restoring the Ancient Church".  I guess I was wondering if he brings new/additional thoughts on the matter.

[Calm]

There is a second edition that adds material, I believe, if you have the first.

[ChristKnight]

There is a second edition that adds material, I believe, if you have the first.

 

Thanks, yes, I do have both editions.

[cinepro]

Sure! Why would you care what someone who is disaffected feels about all this? It may hurt your confirmation bias.

 

What more could an ex-member say than "try to maintain a relationship and back off from argumentation"? 

Edited August 11, 2014 by cinepro

[Rivers]

A lot of the fair conference addresses used to be posted on Youtube. It doesn't seem like they do much of that anymore

[Calm]

Yep, we do. Most will get posted after two years. We sell most videos for the first two years to pay for putting them online free the rest of the time. Livy works hard at getting those and others up, thoough there are some we make exceptions for and put up immediately for free and a few that have copyright issues so unfortunately after the streaming is over with, they won't be able to be seen (iirc, Kirby's presentation last year was in this category).

https://m.youtube.com/user/fairldsorg

We also now have a FairMormon radio and a podcast station that will be playing them among other things. You should be able to find those links on the main page.

Is there a presentation you were interested in that you can't find?

Edited August 11, 2014 by calmoriah

[mfbukowski]

Really Dr. Peterson don't you tire of this old worn out bad sarcasm and self deprecation? You really need a new style. Take it as friendlyd advise from someone who really does like you.

DCP has a great talent with the spoken word, a great wit and a razor tongue, and I really don't think you would like to experience that.

 

And yes, of course I am also kissing up. 

Edited August 11, 2014 by mfbukowski

[mfbukowski]

But as the water apparently hasn't gotten to the end of the row on this yet, another news story is probably in order.

You know I love you and love to give you a hard time about "Utahisms" and that is definitely one.

The very first time I saw it, I thought it was about sitting in General Conference and passing a bucket of drinking water around- because I read a conference talk delivered in the old tabernacle in which a brother said "Brethren- make sure the water gets to the end of the row". I took it literally.

But now I think it is an irrigation metaphor about putting enough water in a row between crops to make sure they all get "nourished by the living water".

See? Even this New Yorker can learn stuff!

[Scott Lloyd]

Really Dr. Peterson don't you tire of this old worn out bad sarcasm and self deprecation? You really need a new style. Take it as friendlyd advise from someone who really does like you.

It most often gives me a smile or a chuckle -- and in my view, it puts the haters in their place.

[Calm]

Irrigation is correct. Often you will see the plants smallest at the end of the row because they get less water (one doesn't want to flood out the plants nearest the hose or ditch or whatever the water source or you may run out of time (irrigation around here allows you so many minutes based on what you are willing to pay, woe be unto those who overstep their allotment).

Don't you garden? Or if you do, I bet you don't grow corn or other stuff in long rows.

And here is an example...close to the end, he even identifies it as an irrigation analogy perhaps aware that many wouldn't intuitively get it.

https://www.lds.org/ensign/2005/08/the-doctrinal-foundation-of-the-auxiliaries?lang=eng

Edited August 11, 2014 by calmoriah

[Scott Lloyd]

You know I love you and love to give you a hard time about "Utahisms" and that is definitely one.

The very first time I saw it, I thought it was about sitting in General Conference and passing a bucket of drinking water around- because I read a conference talk delivered in the old tabernacle in which a brother said "Brethren- make sure the water gets to the end of the row". I took it literally.

But now I think it is an irrigation metaphor about putting enough water in a row between crops to make sure they all get "nourished by the living water".

See? Even this New Yorker can learn stuff!

Yep, you got it close enough. Congratulations!

 

I've never been a farmer, but I did grow up on a farm in Utah, so the imagery resonates with me.

 

It's something along the lines of "make sure the knowledge gets to everybody who needs to hear it."

 

As an ex-bishop, you probably know that can be a challenge in a ward setting as well as elsewhere.

 

By the way, shouldn't that word be Utahanisms?

Edited August 11, 2014 by Scott Lloyd

[mfbukowski]

Yep, you got it close enough. Congratulations!

 

I've never been a farmer, but I did grow up on a farm in Utah, so the imagery resonates with me.

 

It's something along the lines of "make sure the knowledge gets to everybody who needs to hear it."

 

As an ex-bishop, you probably know that can be a challenge in a ward setting as well as elsewhere.

 

By the way, shouldn't that word be Utahanisms?

Oh my heck, yeah! Gotta get that water to the end of the row!

But clearly it would be "Utahnisms".

Other than your spelling error, I stand corrected.

[Scott Lloyd]

Oh my heck, yeah! Gotta get that water to the end of the row!

But clearly it would be "Utahnisms".

Other than your spelling error, I stand corrected.

I spelled it as I did intentionally, in consideration of non-Utahns (non-Utahans) who might be reading this.

[Teancum]

DCP has a great talent with the spoken word, a great wit and a razor tongue, and I really don't think you would like to experience that.

 

And yes, of course I am also kissing up. 

I know. I am not sure the razor tongue furthers his cause.

As for not wanting to experience should I be afraid? I have seen it enough to understand the style. I think he can be more successful dropping some of what you or he finds witty. Just my opinion. Feel free to ignore me.

[Scott Lloyd]

I know. I am not sure the razor tongue furthers his cause.

As for not wanting to experience should I be afraid? I have seen it enough to understand the style. I think he can be more successful dropping some of what you or he finds witty. Just my opinion. Feel free to ignore me.

Well, you probably would have been driven to apoplexy by what he said in his address at the FairMormon Conference. Something about how no plant or blade of grass can grow in his yard because of the soil having been rendered sterile by the sheer evil that emanates from him -- or something like that.

 

It was vintage DCP, characteristically hilarious.

 

Edited to add:

 

Here is more vintage DCP, the blog post he wrote just before his turn came to speak at the conference.

Edited August 11, 2014 by Scott Lloyd

[Scott Lloyd]

Sure! Why would you care what someone who is disaffected feels about all this? It may hurt your confirmation bias.

Complaints that ex-Mormons have about the Church and its members are all over the Internet. I can access them anytime, and don't need to have them shoved down my throat from the stage of the FairMormon Conference.

 

On the other hand, having a close friend or loved one leave the Church is a challenging adversity I might confront at some point, and it was useful to me to get some understanding of how other faithful members have dealt with it.

Edited August 11, 2014 by Scott Lloyd

[wenglund]

So many good talks. Marvin Perkins on Blacks in the Scriptures, Sharon Eubanks on "This is a Woman's Church," Hannah Smith on legal battles now waging to preserve religious liberty. Many other wonderful speakers and topics.

 

I just got through watching Sharon's presentation on "This is a Woman's Church." Wow. Amazing! If women seek power and influence in the Church, Sharon exemplifies it in her words and deeds. 

 

[i just now noticed that others have posted links to Sharon's presentation on this thread (I heard about it through Interpreter). Perhaps I should remove my comment, but I suppose some things bear repeating and underscoring. Sharon's presentation falls into that category. Definitely a must see, particularly in this gender-charged world environment] 

 

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Edited August 11, 2014 by wenglund

[Kenngo1969]

Our own Robert F. Smith (poster on this board) just finished a presentation drawing amazing correlation between the Nephite monetary system and Egyptian and Hebrew monetary units.

Boy, that Joseph Smith sure was a lucky fella, guessin' all that "money stuff" right!