Fair Conference?

[wenglund]

There was a time when this board was awash with discussions during and about the FAIR Conference.

 

I particularly miss not having Blair Hodges posting his daily notes on conference addresses.

 

That was a valued way of including those unable to attend or who couldn't afford the cost of streamed videos of the presentations.

 

So, in that same spirit, would one of the current attendees please be so kind as to post some news of the conference here...anything?

 

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[Scott Lloyd]

There was a time when this board was awash with discussions during and about the FAIR Conference.

I particularly miss not having Blair Hodges posting his daily notes on conference addresses.

That was a valued way of including those unable to attend or who couldn't afford the cost of streamed videos of the presentations.

So, in that same spirit, would one of the current attendees please be so kind as to post some news of the conference here...anything?

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

I was tweeting on it yesterday, but stopped when my iPod ran out of power.

I saw Blair here yesterday, but apparently he's not doing the Internet play-by-play of conference content he used to do. I agree that was pretty amazing, both for its nearly instant rapidity and it's accuracy.

Last year, a few days after the conference, I started a thread giving brief, selected quotes from speakers. Maybe I'll do that again this year.

Edited August 8, 2014 by Scott Lloyd

[Scott Lloyd]

Our own Robert F. Smith (poster on this board) just finished a presentation drawing amazing correlation between the Nephite monetary system and Egyptian and Hebrew monetary units.

[USU78]

Our own Robert F. Smith (poster on this board) just finished a presentation drawing amazing correlation between the Nephite monetary system and Egyptian and Hebrew monetary units.

 

Any mention of the 10-odd year old paper somebody did on the Wedjat Eye and the Nephite weights & measures?

[wenglund]

I was tweeting on it yesterday, but stopped when my iPod ran out of power.

I saw Blair here yesterday, but apparently he's not doing the Internet play-by-play of conference content he used to do. I agree that was pretty amazing, both for its nearly instant rapidity and it's accuracy.

Last year, a few days after the conference, I started a thread giving brief, selected quotes from speakers. Maybe I'll do that again this year.

 

I appreciate it Scott.

 

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[cinepro]

Our own Robert F. Smith (poster on this board) just finished a presentation drawing amazing correlation between the Nephite monetary system and Egyptian and Hebrew monetary units.

 

It's theories like this that just baffle me.

 

Alma 11 is 500 years after Lehi left Jerusalem.  The prevailing demographic theory for the Book of Mormon says that the Lehites joined with existing populations and adopted their culture and language (while preserving their Christianity and Hebrew record keeping).  Yet we're supposed to believe that they also introduced a monetary system that lasted for five centuries in a primitive society?  But their advanced technology and agricultural knowledge was quickly lost?

[USU78]

Any mention of the 10-odd year old paper somebody did on the Wedjat Eye and the Nephite weights & measures?

 

I found this in the Maxwell Institute archives: "Ralph McAffee took another look at weights and measures in the Book of Mormon, noting that the very efficient monetary system based on units of 1, 2, 4, and 7 is very similar to a system now used by people in Mesoamerica and which the natives believe originated before Columbus."  From a report of a brownbag seminar in 1991:  http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/publications/insights/11/5/S00013-Insights_An_Ancient_Window.html

 

So . . . cannot answer my own question, but I note that the weights & measures in Alma 11 has been looked at by many over a long period of time.

 

[ERayR]

It's theories like this that just baffle me.

 

Alma 11 is 500 years after Lehi left Jerusalem.  The prevailing demographic theory for the Book of Mormon says that the Lehites joined with existing populations and adopted their culture and language (while preserving their Christianity and Hebrew record keeping).  Yet we're supposed to believe that they also introduced a monetary system that lasted for five centuries in a primitive society?  But their advanced technology and agricultural knowledge was quickly lost?

 

If it works...

[Scott Lloyd]

In a Q & A, Matt Grow of Church History Department was asked why the Church Archives are closed. He replied they are not closed.

It amazes me this old misconception yet persists among the public at large.

[Scott Lloyd]

Panel discussion on Family Members Who Left is going on now.

Very insightful.

The general consensus seems to be to do what you can to maintain a relationship, even if it means backing off from argumentation.

And, in allusion to a thread about this of some months ago, no, there are no ex-Mormons on the panel. I continue to believe that unnecessary and potentially problematical.

[Tiki]

It's theories like this that just baffle me.

Alma 11 is 500 years after Lehi left Jerusalem. The prevailing demographic theory for the Book of Mormon says that the Lehites joined with existing populations and adopted their culture and language (while preserving their Christianity and Hebrew record keeping). Yet we're supposed to believe that they also introduced a monetary system that lasted for five centuries in a primitive society? But their advanced technology and agricultural knowledge was quickly lost?

Don't worry Cinepro. Being contradictory and hard to understand is what makes it so appealing to them.

They make things up, by reacting to critics, as they go along, forgetting what their right hand wrote when writing with their left.

And all the while claiming Joseph Smith didn't know what he was talking about:

"What may startle some about this situation is that most of what Joseph Smith said or implied about geography indicates that he did not understand or was ambiguous about the fact, as it turns out, that Mesoamerica was the particular setting for Nephite history."

http://publications.maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/fullscreen/?pub=1099&index=19&keyword=What%20may%20startle

The LGT-worshiping is baffling.

Edited August 9, 2014 by Tiki

[Deborah]

So many good talks. Marvin Perkins on Blacks in the Scriptures, Sharon Eubanks on "This is a Woman's Church," Hannah Smith on legal battles now waging to preserve religious liberty. Many other wonderful speakers and topics.

[Bernard Gui]

Couldn't attend this year......please, more details......

[guerreiro9]

The LGT-worshiping is baffling.

This is probably not what you intended, but the more you post the more reasonable the "LGT" theory sounds.

I would like to thank you for encouraging me in that direction. Originally I was undecided, and thought multiple theories had merit, but then you kept posting and all that flew out the window.

Thank you for helping me decide on this issue.

-guerreiro9

[ChristKnight]

Anyone can tell us a little about what Barry Bickmore talked about on Joseph Smith Among the Early Christians?

[Calm]

You can still stream the conference for only $25.  

[Calm]

Sharon Eubank's video is available through the FairMormon blog (not all presentations will be made available in this way, I know of another possible transcript that I am checking to see if it is officially 'up' or not):

 

http://blog.fairmormon.org/2014/08/09/this-is-a-womans-church/

 

Here is Ty Mansfield's talk:

 

http://www.fairmormon.org/perspectives/fair-conferences/2014-fairmormon-conference/mormons-can-gay-just-cant-gay

Edited August 9, 2014 by calmoriah

[Daniel Peterson]

Don't worry Cinepro. Being contradictory and hard to understand is what makes it so appealing to them.

They make things up, by reacting to critics, as they go along, forgetting what their right hand wrote when writing with their left.

And all the while claiming Joseph Smith didn't know what he was talking about:

"What may startle some about this situation is that most of what Joseph Smith said or implied about geography indicates that he did not understand or was ambiguous about the fact, as it turns out, that Mesoamerica was the particular setting for Nephite history."

http://publications.maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/fullscreen/?pub=1099&index=19&keyword=What%20may%20startle

The LGT-worshiping is baffling.

 

We're plainly clueless idiots.

 

Certainly I am.

[Calm]

For those interested in what the Church is doing humanitarianwise, Sharon Eubanks is the head of LDS Charities and deals with some of it in her talk (not a lot, but very informative tidbits) and in the question period tells of what the Church is doing to help the Christian refugees from ISIS who are flooding the Kurds.

[cdowis]

In a Q & A, Matt Grow of Church History Department was asked why the Church Archives are closed. He replied they are not closed.

 

 

Ask him if they are "restricted" and the nature of those restrictions.

Edited August 9, 2014 by cdowis

[Duncan]

Ask him if they are "restricted" and the nature of those restrictions.

 

i've been denied requests by the CHL, mostly because the Church didn't own the copyrights but then again tunneling out of North Korea would be easier then using my local archives...

[Scott Lloyd]

Ask him if they are "restricted" and the nature of those restrictions.

As a matter of fact, he went on in his response to make some very good comments on that matter.

I'll probably be doing a Church News story on this, but in sum, the restricted material in the Church's holdings is a tiny fraction of the whole, and there are very good reasons for restricting it.

This, by the way, is not new information. I've quoted Rick Turley (assistant Church Historian and Recorder) relative to this before.

But as the water apparently hasn't gotten to the end of the row on this yet, another news story is probably in order.

[readstoomuch]

You can still stream the conference for only $25.  

Is that only live? I tried to purchase the streaming tonite and consistently got an error message. I would love to listen to all of them.

[Calm]

No, they are still available. They may have been switching from live to delay or we have had such a big response this year, they need to reset some limits. Try again tomorrow or email the tech guys for help. They are all now either moving on home or scrambling to get the material online while people are still interested.

[cinepro]

In a Q & A, Matt Grow of Church History Department was asked why the Church Archives are closed. He replied they are not closed.

It amazes me this old misconception yet persists among the public at large.

 

Was it after 5pm?  Cause maybe the guy just wanted longer operating hours in the summer.

Edited August 10, 2014 by cinepro