Duncan Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 So we had a sister missionary go home early and earlier and her family disowned her apparently and now she has to live with her biological Mum whom she has never met. It is so beyond nutty to me to hear about this happening. I have never heard of anyone in the Church disowning family before, I know families that are estranged and stuff but is this common elsewhere? how can this happen? I am wondering too if the parents of this sister qualify for a recommend even?
bluebell Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 My thoughts are: Are you sure you're hearing the whole story? And no i don't think it's common at all for mormon parents to disown their children, but i'm sure it happens.
Duncan Posted April 30, 2014 Author Posted April 30, 2014 My thoughts are: Are you sure you're hearing the whole story? And no i don't think it's common at all for mormon parents to disown their children, but i'm sure it happens. that's what I heard, she was disowned by the family and the Mission President had to arrange for her to live with her Mum in Oregon, he got the info from her Stake Pres. it seems so bananas to me that a family in the Church would do this
The Nehor Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 I have seen it happen. To be honest I have never seen it happen amongst what I (with my limited views) would call the faithful. Usually it's the semi-active or active in the sense that they go to Church and never do much of anything else. The camp followers if you will. In cases where I have seen it happen the disowning member is insecure, prideful, and obsessed with public perception. They seem to think that severing is a way of protecting themselves and the rest of their family. I don't think their thoughts are focused on God or the question that will come up at the judgement bar: "So you abdicated your parental responsibilities to gratify your vanity? Why did you do that?" 1
bluebell Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 I agree it does seem like bananas! But without knowing the other side of the story it makes it even harder to fathom.
Storm Rider Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 Family dynamics can be beyond complex and we seldom can hear or know the full story. It is always hoped that those who follow Christ are enabled to choose better, but the truth is that we are each human with a wide range of shortcomings and faults. Church affiliations has little if anything to do with this kind of situation. It is better to withhold any judgment and assist where and when one can.
Duncan Posted April 30, 2014 Author Posted April 30, 2014 I agree it does seem like bananas! But without knowing the other side of the story it makes it even harder to fathom. that's true, it sounds like she was somehow forced to go out and surprise surprise surprise she really didn't want to be out, which is too bad. They tried to keep her out but to no avail
strappinglad Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 Is this the girl who was the pathological fibteller? Maybe the acorn is related to the tree.
Duncan Posted April 30, 2014 Author Posted April 30, 2014 Is this the girl who was the pathological fibteller? Maybe the acorn is related to the tree. no, that was the last sister who went home, or was sent home! This sister was even with our resident Liverpudlian scouser speaking sista, like how can you go wrong with that combination I ask you?! and she was also with her MTC comp, who's from Mesa Arizona, which you know you have to born somewhere so I guess why not Arizona right?
Senator Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 (edited) and she was also with her MTC comp, who's from Mesa Arizona, which you know you have to born somewhere so I guess why not Arizona right?HEY! Edited April 30, 2014 by Senator 1
Duncan Posted April 30, 2014 Author Posted April 30, 2014 HEY! oh are you from there perhaps?! We actually have two Mesa missionaries here, I call them the Flying Arizonians!
thesometimesaint Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 It does happen, but the Church frowns upon it. 1
ERMD Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 People are people. We've all heard stories of converts "disowned" (still not really sure what that means in every case) by their families when they left their faith to join the Church. 1
Bikeemikey Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 It does happen, but the Church frowns upon it.Lets turn that frown upside down...
Gray Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 I don't know that it's that common, but it definitely happens. There are a lot of homeless gay teens in Utah for this reason, I think
thesometimesaint Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 Lets turn that frown upside down... Mothers curse: May you have children just like you.
Buzzard Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 I don't know that it's that common, but it definitely happens. There are a lot of homeless gay teens in Utah for this reason, I thinkAt least according to the Gay activists. Of the few (small sample size, I know) LDS teens I know who decided they were gay and told their families, none were disowned or turned out on the streets, though I can't say that their faithful parents were delighted. If I may be so bold as to postulate, perhaps their families unwillingness to approve hook, line, and sinker of their lifestyle was interpreted by the son or daughter as the moral equivalent of rendering them homeless when they couldn't hack the home that was still offered, but perhaps with the caveat that their new companions were not welcome to spend the night. Such oppression. 1
Danzo Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 I don't know that it's that common, but it definitely happens. There are a lot of homeless gay teens in Utah for this reason, I thinkCFR that there are a lot of homeless gay teens in Utah.(Not saying I disbelieve you, just would like to know what "a lot" means)
Gray Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 (edited) CFR that there are a lot of homeless gay teens in Utah.(Not saying I disbelieve you, just would like to know what "a lot" means) http://safeandsoundutah.org/ http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/lifestyle/57682784-80/lgbt-ryan-youth-family.html.csp Edited April 30, 2014 by Gray
Gray Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 At least according to the Gay activists. Of the few (small sample size, I know) LDS teens I know who decided they were gay and told their families, none were disowned or turned out on the streets, though I can't say that their faithful parents were delighted. If I may be so bold as to postulate, perhaps their families unwillingness to approve hook, line, and sinker of their lifestyle was interpreted by the son or daughter as the moral equivalent of rendering them homeless when they couldn't hack the home that was still offered, but perhaps with the caveat that their new companions were not welcome to spend the night. Such oppression. As you acknowledge, that's a very small sample size, and combined with speculation.
Danzo Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 http://safeandsoundutah.org/ http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/lifestyle/57682784-80/lgbt-ryan-youth-family.html.csp Thanks for the links. According to this article, a lot is 2000 (or 0.06% of population). It doesn't really compare that rate with the rest of the country. I find it also interesting that both articles say that 40% of the homeless teens have sexuality issues, without attributing the source. I find this statistic odd. Around here (not Utah) most of the homeless teens seem to result from the parents being itinerant due to economic circumstances. Do you think that Utah has a higher rate than the rest of the country? If yes, do you think it has something to do with Mormon's habit of kicking out kids with sexuality issues?
Bikeemikey Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 Mothers curse: May you have children just like you. all ready do...
Gray Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 (edited) Thanks for the links. According to this article, a lot is 2000 (or 0.06% of population). It doesn't really compare that rate with the rest of the country. I find it also interesting that both articles say that 40% of the homeless teens have sexuality issues, without attributing the source. I find this statistic odd. Around here (not Utah) most of the homeless teens seem to result from the parents being itinerant due to economic circumstances. Do you think that Utah has a higher rate than the rest of the country? If yes, do you think it has something to do with Mormon's habit of kicking out kids with sexuality issues? I don't think Utah is higher than other conservative religious areas. I don't have any statistics to back that up, but I imagine statistics would be similar in the Bible belt, or any community with a strong aversion to homosexuality. Who knows, though. I think most Mormon parents would not act like that, but there are always some who do. My parents and my inlaws definitely would not. Edited April 30, 2014 by Gray
Danzo Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 I think most Mormon parents would not act like that, but there are always some who do. Unfortunately, there are. These parents need the gospel more than most.
Bikeemikey Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 Unfortunately, there are. These parents need the gospel more than most.Pretty sure we all need the gospel most...In addition to the gospel others are promised a millstone and a long walk of a short pier.
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