How Did The Court Proceedings In The Uk With President Monson Turn Out?

[Anijen]

It is not just that. I understand that now in order to baptize your children or bless and name a baby, you have to have a temple recommend.

A father has the right to bless his children regardless. It is his right as a father to do so. You do not need the priesthood, nor do you need to be a member. It is the plain and simple requirement of being a father. Now to do so in the chapels of our church, I am not sure, and I am too lazy to look it up in our manuals.

 

Now as far as ordinances go, yes one needs the priesthood and permission of the Bishop.

 

 

Edited to say, I believe this is diverging from the theme of the thread, my apologies.

Edited March 17, 2014 by Anijen

[Anteojito]

I think you just have to be temple worthy and the decision is actually up to each individual's Bishop.  

Isn't being temple worthy and having a temple recommend pretty much the same thing? In order to be temple worthy wouldn't you need to be a full tithe payer? 

[cdowis]

Isn't being temple worthy and having a temple recommend pretty much the same thing? In order to be temple worthy wouldn't you need to be a full tithe payer? 

 

The temple recommend gives permission to enter the temple, which requires temple worthiness AND already having the endowment, etc, completed.  There are additional requirements for the own endowment candidate before they can enter the temple for the first time -- e.g. a member for a year.

[Anteojito]

The temple recommend gives permission to enter the temple, which requires temple worthiness AND already having the endowment, etc, completed.  There are additional requirements for the own endowment candidate before they can enter the temple for the first time -- e.g. a member for a year.

Yes you are absolutely correct. But if you have to be temple worthy or have a temple recommend in your possession to baptize or bless (name) your child in church, then you have to be a full tithe payer.

[ksfisher]

Yes you are absolutely correct. But if you have to be temple worthy or have a temple recommend in your possession to baptize or bless (name) your child in church, then you have to be a full tithe payer.

  20.1.2

Worthiness to Participate in an Ordinance or Blessing

 

Only a Melchizedek Priesthood holder who is worthy to hold a temple recommend may act as voice in confirming a person a member of the Church, conferring the Melchizedek Priesthood, ordaining a person to an office in that priesthood, or setting apart a person to serve in a Church calling.

 

As guided by the Spirit and the instructions in the next paragraph, bishops and stake presidents have discretion to allow priesthood holders who are not fully temple worthy to perform or participate in some ordinances and blessings. However, presiding officers should not allow such participation if a priesthood holder has unresolved serious sins.

 

A bishop may allow a father who holds the Melchizedek Priesthood to name and bless his children even if the father is not fully temple worthy. Likewise, a bishop may allow a father who is a priest or Melchizedek Priesthood holder to baptize his children or to ordain his sons to offices in the Aaronic Priesthood. A Melchizedek Priesthood holder in similar circumstances may be allowed to stand in the circle for the confirmation of his children, for the conferral of the Melchizedek Priesthood on his sons, or for the setting apart of his wife or children. However, he may not act as voice.

 

(From Handbook 2)

Edited March 17, 2014 by ksfisher

[bluebell]

It is not just that. I understand that now in order to baptize your children or bless and name a baby, you have to have a temple recommend.

 

Not in my experience.

 

You have to be ordained to the priesthood which allows you to do those things, but you do not have to have a temple recommend.  I have been witness to many a 16 year old brother baptizing a sibling, or a newly ordained husband baptizing a child, who has never been to the temple.

[mfbukowski]

Meh whatever

The words of a true intellectual.

[mfbukowski]

He has several houses.

 

http://mormoninsider.wordpress.com/2013/04/18/thomas-s-monsons-home/

Add all those values together and it would buy you one modest house in nice part of Los Angeles.

 

Good thing he's a thrifty man and lives in Utah where property is cheap and houses are a dime a dozen.

[mfbukowski]

Something tells me (with all due respect) that you're not interested in doing either, so what's the problem?

Underline "due", if you catch my drift.

[mfbukowski]

I assume, however, that "ownership" precludes his authority to sell anything.  Like the President owning the White House, the ownership is assigned to the office or title, and not to the individual.

Now THAT would be interesting.

 

"Pope sells Vatican City and Gives the Money to the Poor".

 

Maybe they could put up a nice office building or something..........  Or better yet, how about a shopping mall?  They have that whole square for parking.....

 

 

 

 

 

(I am just kidding.  Vatican City is a worldwide treasure and human culture is pricelessly enriched by its existence and as a monmuent to God for the ages)

[mfbukowski]

It is not just that. I understand that now in order to baptize your children or bless and name a baby, you have to have a temple recommend.

Totally wrong.

 

That is ridiculous.

 

If you go to another ward where you are not known, and perform an ordinance, the bishop in the other ward will require either a recommend TO DO THE ORDINANCE (not a temple recommend) to do the ordinance.

 

If the ordinance requires that the Melchizadek Priesthood is held by the one performing it, a temple recommend would suffice as proof that the holder held the proper priesthood to perform the ordinance, whether or not he had a recommend specific to performing the ordinance.

 

Maybe that is how someone might get the impression that a temple recommend was required to perform an ordianance, but in one's own ward, that is completely not the case, or certainly to have one's child receive baptism the parents absolutely do not have to have a recommend.

 

Technically they don't even need to be members to have your child baptized.  It would be odd, to have a baby baptized but if the parents gave permission, a minor child can be baptized.

 

In fact it is rather common with teenagers who's parents are not members.  With parental consent teenagers are baptized all the time.

[mfbukowski]

I think you just have to be temple worthy and the decision is actually up to each individual's Bishop.  

No, you don't have to be temple worthy and yes, it is up to each individual Bishop.

 

In the case of a father returning to activity who cannot yet get a recommend, as long as he hold the office of Priest in the Aaronic Priesthood, with the bishop's permission, he could baptize his child, and indeed it might be a great blessing to him to do so.

[mfbukowski]

Yes you are absolutely correct. But if you have to be temple worthy or have a temple recommend in your possession to baptize or bless (name) your child in church, then you have to be a full tithe payer.

Again, you do NOT have to be temple worthy.  You DO have to have the Bishop's permission.

[mfbukowski]

 

  20.1.2

Worthiness to Participate in an Ordinance or Blessing

 

Only a Melchizedek Priesthood holder who is worthy to hold a temple recommend may act as voice in confirming a person a member of the Church, conferring the Melchizedek Priesthood, ordaining a person to an office in that priesthood, or setting apart a person to serve in a Church calling.

 

As guided by the Spirit and the instructions in the next paragraph, bishops and stake presidents have discretion to allow priesthood holders who are not fully temple worthy to perform or participate in some ordinances and blessings. However, presiding officers should not allow such participation if a priesthood holder has unresolved serious sins.

 

A bishop may allow a father who holds the Melchizedek Priesthood to name and bless his children even if the father is not fully temple worthy. Likewise, a bishop may allow a father who is a priest or Melchizedek Priesthood holder to baptize his children or to ordain his sons to offices in the Aaronic Priesthood. A Melchizedek Priesthood holder in similar circumstances may be allowed to stand in the circle for the confirmation of his children, for the conferral of the Melchizedek Priesthood on his sons, or for the setting apart of his wife or children. However, he may not act as voice.

 

(From Handbook 2)

 

oops- should have read ahead before saying the same thing myself- good post!

[Anteojito]

 

  20.1.2

Worthiness to Participate in an Ordinance or Blessing

 

Only a Melchizedek Priesthood holder who is worthy to hold a temple recommend may act as voice in confirming a person a member of the Church, conferring the Melchizedek Priesthood, ordaining a person to an office in that priesthood, or setting apart a person to serve in a Church calling.

 

As guided by the Spirit and the instructions in the next paragraph, bishops and stake presidents have discretion to allow priesthood holders who are not fully temple worthy to perform or participate in some ordinances and blessings. However, presiding officers should not allow such participation if a priesthood holder has unresolved serious sins.

 

A bishop may allow a father who holds the Melchizedek Priesthood to name and bless his children even if the father is not fully temple worthy. Likewise, a bishop may allow a father who is a priest or Melchizedek Priesthood holder to baptize his children or to ordain his sons to offices in the Aaronic Priesthood. A Melchizedek Priesthood holder in similar circumstances may be allowed to stand in the circle for the confirmation of his children, for the conferral of the Melchizedek Priesthood on his sons, or for the setting apart of his wife or children. However, he may not act as voice.

 

(From Handbook 2)

 

Thanks. I stand corrected.  A bishop may  allow a non tithe paying father to perform those ordinances. Then again he may not allow it.

[Truth 101]

Not in my experience.

 

You have to be ordained to the priesthood which allows you to do those things, but you do not have to have a temple recommend.  I have been witness to many a 16 year old brother baptizing a sibling, or a newly ordained husband baptizing a child, who has never been I'v

I've also seen an 18 year old guy baptize his little bro. I think to baptize someone you just need the Melchizedek Priesthood

[Duncan]

I've also seen an 18 year old guy baptize his little bro. I think to baptize someone you just need the Melchizedek Priesthood

 

 

no, to baptize you need to be a Priest at least! That rhymes so you owe me 75 cents

[Kenngo1969]

Underline "due", if you catch my drift.

Yeah, no kidding.

Edited March 17, 2014 by Kenngo1969

[bluebell]

I've also seen an 18 year old guy baptize his little bro. I think to baptize someone you just need the Melchizedek Priesthood

 

You actually only need the Aaronic priesthood and be ordained to the office of Priest (as Duncan has already stated).  

[Calm]

The Pope!  He owns the whole darn country.

 

There are way more "expose's" on the wealth of the Catholic Church and the Pope than on the LDS church.  The protestants have been hammering away at us for over 500 years.  You guys get off easy

I have read a few.  I am grateful not to be the target of such things.

[Calm]

I personally know several members whom pay no tithing and regularly attend the Temple.

Me, me, me, me, me...

[Calm]

That link looks like it is for a video game. 

And a fun game it was.

[Calm]

as if we don't have enough cold and snow we got dumped on yestarday. I called the sisters last night about an item, one from Liverpool and the other from Mesa and they were driving out in the blizzard!!!! buncha crazies!

I want some please.  I miss those really good blizzards.  There is something so appealing about being in a warm house looking out the window and seeing nothing but snow.

 

Plus Utah has a drought going….how did I ever end up in a desert?

Edited March 18, 2014 by calmoriah

[Calm]

Isn't being temple worthy and having a temple recommend pretty much the same thing? In order to be temple worthy wouldn't you need to be a full tithe payer? 

Nope.  I was temple worthy but unable to get in to get a temple recommend due to health for about a year (I could have asked the bishop to visit me in my  home, but there is always the chance that 'this Sunday I will make it' so I don't ask).

 

And full tithe payer can equal no tithing paid…which is also me as I stated above emphatically.

[Calm]

 

 

Good thing he's a thrifty man and lives in Utah where property is cheap and houses are a dime a dozen.

And likely gathered the property over a long period of time, including when it was even cheaper.  The size of those trees on the picture I saw.  That house has been there for awhile.