ChristKnight Posted March 15, 2014 Posted March 15, 2014 It is taught that the Gospel was taught to Adam, and it has been known in previous dispensations. Does that mean that all of the ordinances of the Gospel were known and performed, including the Endowment? I saw on another forum a poster say that the Endowment could have been a new revelation for this dispensation, but I'm not sure if this is a common/"official" belief. If the Gospel was taught to Adam, does that mean that he was also received all of the ordinances (we know from Moses 6:64-68 that he was baptized), including temple ones?
Duncan Posted March 15, 2014 Posted March 15, 2014 Pres. Joseph Smith Fielding Smith was of the opinion that Peter, James and John received their endowment on the Mount of Transfiguration. I am by no means an expert but I would imagine the idea of endowments was known to the ancients, what form, who and how many received is beyond me 2
Storm Rider Posted March 15, 2014 Posted March 15, 2014 Some have thought that the ordinances of exaltation were taught with a degree of regularity, but I am not aware of anyone that felt that it has been a constant among the Lord's people.
Popular Post Kevin Christensen Posted March 15, 2014 Popular Post Posted March 15, 2014 Look at the main themes and appendices to Nibley's An Egyptian Endowment, at Welch's Illuminating the Sermon the Mount and the Sermon at the Temple, at the volume on King Benjamin's Discourse, at Raglan's The Origins of Religion, at Eliade's Cosmos and History: The Myth of Eternal Return, Campbell's Hero With a Thousand Faces, Barker's Temple Themes in Christian Worship, the FARMS volune on Temples of the Ancient World and the one on The Temple in Time and Eternity, and papers like this one: http://www.margaretbarker.com/Papers/BelongingintheTemple.pdf Also Nibley's Abraham's Temple Drama, one of the last things he did: http://publications.maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/fullscreen/?pub=1086&index=1 Just to get the lay of the land, so to speak. Kevin Christensen Bethel Park, PA 5
The Nehor Posted March 15, 2014 Posted March 15, 2014 It has been known in most dispensations though I am sure the Endowment was presented differently in each dispensation with some similarities amongst them all. 3
rpn Posted March 15, 2014 Posted March 15, 2014 I think that the endowment was probably done for leaders, but not for the masses, biblically. After all the last dispensation is the one for redeeming the dead, and this dispensation is the only one that has had the physical ability to keep records of the kind required to assure every one has the ordinances. 1
Freedom Posted March 15, 2014 Posted March 15, 2014 If not an endowment, what else would the ancient temples have been for?
Bikeemikey Posted March 15, 2014 Posted March 15, 2014 Not in our current format most likely... but all religions have engaged in religious ceremony and covenants.
jaxenro Posted March 15, 2014 Posted March 15, 2014 Is it just me or does it seem redundant to teach Adam about the fall? God walked and talked with him I think he learned what he needed to. 1
Bikeemikey Posted March 15, 2014 Posted March 15, 2014 Is it just me or does it seem redundant to teach Adam about the fall? God walked and talked with him I think he learned what he needed to. The endowment is about the covenant... not the background narrative.
Avatar4321 Posted March 15, 2014 Posted March 15, 2014 Yes the Endowment has been around since the beginning. In fact, you can see it in corrupted forms throughout history if you know what you're looking for. 1
jaxenro Posted March 15, 2014 Posted March 15, 2014 "The endowment is about the covenant... not the background narrative" Bit of levity mikey - my pooint being God spoke directly with Adam and I am sure taught him what he needed
Bikeemikey Posted March 15, 2014 Posted March 15, 2014 "The endowment is about the covenant... not the background narrative"Bit of levity mikey - my pooint being God spoke directly with Adam and I am sure taught him what he needed
David T Posted March 15, 2014 Posted March 15, 2014 There was an enthronement ritual for the Kings that involved re-enacting the battles of Creation, and taking upon the name of YHWH. I suggest the general availability And adapting of such rituals to more than just the kings is something generally unique to the Christian era.
cinepro Posted March 15, 2014 Posted March 15, 2014 Is it just me or does it seem redundant to teach Adam about the fall? God walked and talked with him I think he learned what he needed to. "We need a couple to act as Adam and Eve for the ceremony....fine Adam, you and Eve can do it again, but please stick to the script." 1
Bikeemikey Posted March 15, 2014 Posted March 15, 2014 "We need a couple to act as Adam and Eve for the ceremony....fine Adam, you and Eve can do it again, but please stick to the script."That would be funny!
jaxenro Posted March 16, 2014 Posted March 16, 2014 Did Joseph Smith go through an enodwment ceremony or was he taught directly by revelation?
K-2 Posted March 16, 2014 Posted March 16, 2014 "If a man gets a fulness of the Priesthood of God, he has to get it in the same way that Jesus Christ obtained it, and that was by keeping all the commandments and obeying all the ordinances of the house of the Lord." (Joseph Smith, TPJS pg. 308)Moses 5:59 And thus all things were confirmed unto Adam, by an holy ordinance, and the Gospel preached, and a decree sent forth, that it should be in the world, until the end thereof; and thus it was. 1
ChristKnight Posted March 16, 2014 Author Posted March 16, 2014 Thanks for the replies. Does anyone think that D&C 124:40-42 has any relation to this? 40 And verily I say unto you, let this house be built unto my name, that I may reveal mine ordinances therein unto my people; 41 For I deign to reveal unto my church things which have been kept hid from before the foundation of the world, things that pertain to the dispensation of the fulness of times. 42 And I will show unto my servant Joseph all things pertaining to this house, and the priesthood thereof, and the place whereon it shall be built. Specifically, the "things which have been kept hid from before the foundation of the world"? Now, we won't go into specifics of course, but it seems as if certain things related to the Endowment may not have been had in previous dispensations.
ChristKnight Posted March 16, 2014 Author Posted March 16, 2014 I think that the endowment was probably done for leaders, but not for the masses, biblically. After all the last dispensation is the one for redeeming the dead, and this dispensation is the only one that has had the physical ability to keep records of the kind required to assure every one has the ordinances. Yes, I think this goes with the notion that Peter, James, and John received their Endowment, but perhaps it wasn't as widespread, if it was being done.
cdowis Posted March 16, 2014 Posted March 16, 2014 (edited) The question from the Saducees to Christ indicates to me that they had a rudimentary understanding of eternal marriage. Edited March 16, 2014 by cdowis
Bikeemikey Posted March 16, 2014 Posted March 16, 2014 (edited) The question from the Saducees to Christ indicates to me that they had a rudimentary understanding of eternal marriage. Great... so they knew as much about it as we do. Edited March 16, 2014 by Bikeemikey
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