AndyDnom Posted December 7, 2013 Posted December 7, 2013 oh, she shared this story in a talk and now people are scared of her or something to that effect, so this element of "when people hear my name in ...they shudder" and it's because of this story What does this statement mean? people in colorado are scared of this woman?
Duncan Posted December 7, 2013 Author Posted December 7, 2013 What does this statement mean? people in colorado are scared of this woman? people in a Canadian city are supposed to be scared of this sister, now I want to meet her former missionary companion and see what really happened!
cinepro Posted December 7, 2013 Posted December 7, 2013 The trick would be to find elements of the story that would be independently verifiable. For example: People weren't doing their callings and than stuff wasn't getting done and the work was piling on to people and all these people were going inactive and the Stake Pres got exed, some Bishops got exed. So, find a Stake in Colorado that got a new Stake President and two or more Bishops in a short period of time. Obviously, you could have a new SP and a couple Bishops in the normal course of action, but if you did find such a Stake, that would tell you were to start, and if you couldn't, it would suggest that part of the story isn't true and therefore skepticism is warranted. Also, you should find out the timeframe this supposedly happened. Was this in the 1980's? Last year? That would help narrow it down considerably as well. But I suspect, as with most such stories, this one is exaggerated. Except for this one, which really happened. 1
Duncan Posted December 8, 2013 Author Posted December 8, 2013 The trick would be to find elements of the story that would be independently verifiable. For example: So, find a Stake in Colorado that got a new Stake President and two or more Bishops in a short period of time. Obviously, you could have a new SP and a couple Bishops in the normal course of action, but if you did find such a Stake, that would tell you were to start, and if you couldn't, it would suggest that part of the story isn't true and therefore skepticism is warranted. Also, you should find out the timeframe this supposedly happened. Was this in the 1980's? Last year? That would help narrow it down considerably as well. But I suspect, as with most such stories, this one is exaggerated. Except for this one, which really happened. that is a fantastic article, I met a guy who was there at the time and at a DA he told us all about it!!
Stargazer Posted December 8, 2013 Posted December 8, 2013 We are aware of and do the same in our Stake. We have had some success expanding the groups but it is tough especially when the separate directives are to have your best people in each auxiliary. Our bishop called one of the more unlikely sisters to be RS president, but she is doing a good job at it. We don't seem to have an STP problem in our stake. There are a couple of families who provide what some might say to be a higher proportion of leadership, but we have lots of leadership talent here for some reason. And one of the reasons why I think our stake has some good leaders is that no stake president here has called me to be a bishop. 1
Storm Rider Posted December 8, 2013 Posted December 8, 2013 no, I couldn't say anything for fear of giggling, and the elders and others were like "oh......yeah......"! She brought it up last week and how if someone mentions her name in a certain city then they'll shudder and it's supposed to because of this story....so you never know, but now I want to meet her previous companion! I hate to say this, but the label that comes to mind, regretfully, is whack job. Calmoriah said it correctly; it is unfortunate that we have those who would rather spout garbage than talk about the gospel. We have to be patient, but then say thank you for sharing and move on without a comment. 2
Bill “Papa” Lee Posted December 8, 2013 Posted December 8, 2013 Okay i'll tell you the story. This sister missionary told us at ward correlation tonite about this stake in Colorado. Apparently...in this smaller town there was a stake of ten wards, 5000 population and 3000 of which were members. The STP principle existed (same ten people) anyways the Stake Pres. had this idea of having more then the same people do the callings so he and his bishops gave out callingas to other people (made up ones sounds like) and so that hopefully would ease the burden. Well, it didn't. People weren't doing their callings and than stuff wasn't getting done and the work was piling on to people and all these people were going inactive and the Stake Pres got exed, some Bishops got exed. Members would move in and go inactive and the wards went from 10 to 2. Missionaries are banned from this town and also the crops failed, a la due to the unrighteousness of the members. Basically the stake imploded. Oh, and all this happened in 7 months. Now I don't believe a word of it and it was quite the night but with every story their is usually a kernel of truth. So, has anyone ever heard anything remotely at least similar to this story? anyone from Colorado or Springville, Utah where this sister is from...!!Oh the internet...
Avatar4321 Posted December 9, 2013 Posted December 9, 2013 My mother was from Manassa. Anyone here from Manassa? Birthplace of Jack Dempsey, the Manassa Mauler.I met him when they made a park and monument out of his old home. His family's name is in the credit registers from my great-grampa's general store. Dempsey owned a restaurant in LA, and anyone from Manassa got a free dinner there. My uncle and his family were his guests once. They said he was very kind and attentive to them. People in Manassa and nearby Sanford, another Mormon colony, are the salt of the earth. My grandmother was one of the saints in the colonies trained to play organ and piano by travelling tabernacle organists sent on missions to upgrade music in the Church. She received excellent instruction. My grandfather played cello and saxophone in the Denver and Rio Grande Railroad Band that travelled on the train routes. My grandparents live nearby. I remember going to parades in Manassa during the summer when we would visit.
escott3564 Posted December 9, 2013 Posted December 9, 2013 Okay i'll tell you the story. This sister missionary told us at ward correlation tonite about this stake in Colorado. Apparently...in this smaller town there was a stake of ten wards, 5000 population and 3000 of which were members. The STP principle existed (same ten people) anyways the Stake Pres. had this idea of having more then the same people do the callings so he and his bishops gave out callingas to other people (made up ones sounds like) and so that hopefully would ease the burden. Well, it didn't. People weren't doing their callings and than stuff wasn't getting done and the work was piling on to people and all these people were going inactive and the Stake Pres got exed, some Bishops got exed. Members would move in and go inactive and the wards went from 10 to 2. Missionaries are banned from this town and also the crops failed, a la due to the unrighteousness of the members. Basically the stake imploded. Oh, and all this happened in 7 months. Now I don't believe a word of it and it was quite the night but with every story their is usually a kernel of truth. So, has anyone ever heard anything remotely at least similar to this story? anyone from Colorado or Springville, Utah where this sister is from...!! I'm confused as to why the Stake President and the Bishop were ex'd. Did you actually mean they were excommunicated from the Church, or merely released from their callings? And if they were, indeed, excommunicated, on what basis did this happen?
Stone holm Posted December 9, 2013 Posted December 9, 2013 Sometimes STP is more a symptom of the Bishop either not trusting people or not wanting to take risks. It's been my experience that if people are truly called they will perform adequately. Some people just aren't interested, and some people are so guilt driven that they give 100% to truly pointless activities. If you can get people interested then things prosper, if not then things just stagnate as people's eyes glaze over. 1
Duncan Posted December 9, 2013 Author Posted December 9, 2013 I'm confused as to why the Stake President and the Bishop were ex'd. Did you actually mean they were excommunicated from the Church, or merely released from their callings? And if they were, indeed, excommunicated, on what basis did this happen? well, that's part of the mystery!!
Tacenda Posted December 9, 2013 Posted December 9, 2013 well, that's part of the mystery!!I've racked my brain and searched on the internet for this story because I remember reading something similar on an ex mormon or nom board or maybe a random site I fell upon. Can't wait for the mystery to be solved, it's driving me crazy.
Storm Rider Posted December 9, 2013 Posted December 9, 2013 (edited) well, that's part of the mystery!! Mystery in reality or mystery in the demented minds that dwell strictly in fantasy (not the Card type)? Edited December 9, 2013 by Storm Rider 2
Duncan Posted December 9, 2013 Author Posted December 9, 2013 I've racked my brain and searched on the internet for this story because I remember reading something similar on an ex mormon or nom board or maybe a random site I fell upon. Can't wait for the mystery to be solved, it's driving me crazy. I'll see her on friday for ward correlation and I can try to pry more info out of her so maybe!
Buzzard Posted December 9, 2013 Posted December 9, 2013 My Grandfather was from Manassa. He grew up with and was friends with Jack Dempsey. I have ancestors buried in Manassa pioneer cemetery as well as in Sanford cemetery.Small church. My grandfather also knew Jack Dempsey. My father related stories of Mr. Dempsey coming to their home for dinner. Although Grandpa moved around a fair amount, I believe they lived in Nucla/Naturita area at that time.
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