Christian Mormon Posted May 11, 2013 Posted May 11, 2013 this articles shows an example using wells fargo to to an electronics funds transfer.I will start using it but I want to know anyone's thoughts/ideas/experiences.http://ldsmobile.net/2012/11/pay-your-tithing-online-with-billpay/
Nevo Posted May 11, 2013 Posted May 11, 2013 I will start using it but I want to know anyone's thoughts/ideas/experiences.Scott Lloyd recently discussed this here.
Hamba Tuhan Posted May 11, 2013 Posted May 11, 2013 Here the Church provides us with individualised cards that allow us to pay tithing, fast offerings, and missionary contributions online. I love it ... and as a bishopric member I'm grateful when members choose this option.
Christian Mormon Posted May 11, 2013 Author Posted May 11, 2013 (edited) looks like direct online tithing donations is not for general LDS membership Edited May 11, 2013 by Christian Mormon
Bikeemikey Posted May 11, 2013 Posted May 11, 2013 It is pretty standard in New Zealand from what I can tell.. that is where I was raised and my parents still live. Many people use it.
rongo Posted May 11, 2013 Posted May 11, 2013 This is the only way I pay my tithing. So much easier. Than what ---- filling out a tithing slip and a check, or including cash? You make it sound like filling out a slip and a check is an onerous burden.
Calm Posted May 11, 2013 Posted May 11, 2013 (edited) Than what ---- filling out a tithing slip and a check, or including cash? You make it sound like filling out a slip and a check is an onerous burden.For us, it is overcoming the 'getting involved at church and forgetting to give the check to the right person' that is the difficult part. Edited May 11, 2013 by calmoriah
urroner Posted May 18, 2013 Posted May 18, 2013 If paid online or with a credit card, how much of the money going to the middle man?
cdowis Posted May 30, 2013 Posted May 30, 2013 I pay it online. But note that if you pay fast offerings and missionary, it goes to the general church acct, not to the local unit. If you want to give to the ward/stake, you have to do it locally.
Bernard Gui Posted May 30, 2013 Posted May 30, 2013 (edited) For us clerks and bishopric members, this creates a time-consuming chore (when you're thurrying to do the accounting and get to a family dinner). We have to fill out the regular tithing slip that's available on the wall by the bishop's office. We still use those slips in our record keeping, so if we get three or four or five or more electronic deposits, we have to fill out that many more tithing donation slips. Edited May 30, 2013 by Bernard Gui
Bernard Gui Posted May 30, 2013 Posted May 30, 2013 If paid online or with a credit card, how much of the money going to the middle man?Depends on if you use American Express. And, if you use your Costco card and get that extra bonus once a year, do you have topay tithing on the bonus?
JAHS Posted May 30, 2013 Posted May 30, 2013 (edited) looks like direct online tithing donations is not for general LDS membershipNot if you are paying directly to the Church. Right now it is limited to those who cannot make payments directly to a ward (eg. active duty members). http://tech.lds.org/...Tithing-payment#But most members can use their bank's Bill payment services to make donation payments to the local ward.http://tech.lds.org/...payment_service Edited May 30, 2013 by JAHS
Damien the Leper Posted May 30, 2013 Posted May 30, 2013 And here I was hoping to pay with schillings. Lame!
rongo Posted May 31, 2013 Posted May 31, 2013 For us clerks and bishopric members, this creates a time-consuming chore (when you're thurrying to do the accounting and get to a family dinner). We have to fill out the regular tithing slip that's available on the wall by the bishop's office. We still use those slips in our record keeping, so if we get three or four or five or more electronic deposits, we have to fill out that many more tithing donation slips. Not only this, but if those doing the finances *don't* fill out a slip for the automatic deduction checks, it is an audit exception during the semi-annual audit (if the auditor catches it). The problem I have had after being released in November is that I still get these automatic deduction checks, even after multiple reminders to update the address to the new bishop's. Not a big deal, but I'm not supposed to be getting them at all. It seems that the "huge convenience" for members who can't be troubled to fill out a slip bleeds over into them not being able to be troubled to update address information, either.
Tacenda Posted May 31, 2013 Posted May 31, 2013 To any clerks out there, we've resorted to just paying at the end of the year now. Also, I suffer a little of what Cal mentioned and always forget to bring the check etc. Is this a big problem with the leaders of the church? No one has spoken with us about it being a problem. But I do remember lots of talks about paying before all the bills etc. But since my faith has changed I don't panic over it now. But is it an outright no no that we're doing it this way? Just curious what people that have had this calling might say, and I wonder all the time if my ward clerk thinks we're big slugs for paying this way.
omni Posted May 31, 2013 Posted May 31, 2013 Not only this, but if those doing the finances *don't* fill out a slip for the automatic deduction checks, it is an audit exception during the semi-annual audit (if the auditor catches it). The problem I have had after being released in November is that I still get these automatic deduction checks, even after multiple reminders to update the address to the new bishop's. Not a big deal, but I'm not supposed to be getting them at all. It seems that the "huge convenience" for members who can't be troubled to fill out a slip bleeds over into them not being able to be troubled to update address information, either.I sense some underlying tension between you and us online tithe payers:). I never knew it caused more work for the clerks, in fact I thought it was just the opposite as it was one less tithe to process. Is it an onerous task to take out your check book each month and pat your mortgage, utilities, etc, probably not, but it sure is more convenient to do it online.
rongo Posted May 31, 2013 Posted May 31, 2013 To any clerks out there, we've resorted to just paying at the end of the year now. Also, I suffer a little of what Cal mentioned and always forget to bring the check etc. Is this a big problem with the leaders of the church? No one has spoken with us about it being a problem. But I do remember lots of talks about paying before all the bills etc. But since my faith has changed I don't panic over it now. But is it an outright no no that we're doing it this way? Just curious what people that have had this calling might say, and I wonder all the time if my ward clerk thinks we're big slugs for paying this way.. Well, don't do what a member of our ward did, who also paid once at the end of the year. He called me on New Year's Eve and wanted to pay his tithing for the year. I live far away from my ward (95% of the ward is in the city; I live in unincorporated county land), and it was hugely inconvenient to grab a clerk (also on New Years) and process it. This member, of course, would have freaked out if he didn't get his itemized deduction for that year . . . I also had a couple declare "full" tithe payer status once. I questioned that, because they hadn't paid any tithing at all year to date, and they acted a little funny and said they had it in a drawer at home. I told them to bring it in, and they did ----- over $8,000 in ones, fives, and tens (the wife cut hair out of her house, and said that she threw it in a drawer and always forgot to bring it. I told her it would be a shame if a burglar found it, or the house burned down, etc. Maybe I should have steered them towards online payment?
Hamba Tuhan Posted May 31, 2013 Posted May 31, 2013 I pay it online. But note that if you pay fast offerings and missionary, it goes to the general church acct, not to the local unit. If you want to give to the ward/stake, you have to do it locally.For us clerks and bishopric members, this creates a time-consuming chore (when you're hurrying to do the accounting and get to a family dinner). We have to fill out the regular tithing slip that's available on the wall by the bishop's office. We still use those slips in our record keeping, so if we get three or four or five or more electronic deposits, we have to fill out that many more tithing donation slips.This is not at all how it works here. Each member who requests one is provided with a unique card number which allows for the online payment of tithing, fast offerings, and missionary donations. Such donations are downloaded directly, creating zero work for clerks and bishopric members. We wish all of our members would choose to pay this way!
guerreiro9 Posted May 31, 2013 Posted May 31, 2013 To any clerks out there, we've resorted to just paying at the end of the year now. Also, I suffer a little of what Cal mentioned and always forget to bring the check etc. Is this a big problem with the leaders of the church? No one has spoken with us about it being a problem. But I do remember lots of talks about paying before all the bills etc. But since my faith has changed I don't panic over it now. But is it an outright no no that we're doing it this way? Just curious what people that have had this calling might say, and I wonder all the time if my ward clerk thinks we're big slugs for paying this way.As long as you pay your tithing on the additional interest you accrued by holding on to your money for the duration of the year I don't see a problem (That was said in jest)I think that as in all things we are allowed to use our own judgment on what we feel is right, and act accordingly. It is not meet that we are commanded in all things.-guerreiro9
cdowis Posted May 31, 2013 Posted May 31, 2013 I understand it is also designed for those with very large incomes, for those sensitive for privacy issues. I remember as a financial clerk that we had a member paying a very large tithing each month, and it blew me away. I felt very awkward every time I saw him. Very silly, of course.Anyway, thanks to all for the info, and we will use the old way of payment until it gets automated. Did not realize that it created such a burden.
Tacenda Posted May 31, 2013 Posted May 31, 2013 (edited) Ok, this is going to sound fishy, but don't jump to conclusions, if that's possible. I don't pay as much as I use to, not all on gross. My husband has a side business so it gets very tricky although we do pay a decent tithe. Okay, I have a question out of curiosity, since in my mind I can't imagine the answer being true. Here goes...if someone pays online, will the ward clerk or bishop know how much one really pays, or is it just a statement that just shows you paid something (no dollar amt) to church headquarters. I remember when I use to hang out on NOM, and reading about paying online, several on there were stating that that's what they wanted to do and some even said they wouldn't need to pay a full tithe. What do some of you think or know about this? Wouldn't this put a big damper on how much the church receives if the donation is an undisclosed amount? I know I'm not the only one thinking this or am I? Edited May 31, 2013 by Tacenda
Calm Posted May 31, 2013 Posted May 31, 2013 Wouldn't this put a big damper on how much the church receives if the donation is an undisclosed amount?Do you mean undisclosed at the local level? The Church must know what it is getting when it receives it at headquarters.I suppose there are some who care about what a clerk or bishopric member thinks and so pay more, but if so there is another issue going on and it is likely the Church is more concerned with the individual's need and not how much money they are getting out of him/her, at least most leaders.
Tacenda Posted May 31, 2013 Posted May 31, 2013 Do you mean undisclosed at the local level? The Church must know what it is getting when it receives it at headquarters.I suppose there are some who care about what a clerk or bishopric member thinks and so pay more, but if so there is another issue going on and it is likely the Church is more concerned with the individual's need and not how much money they are getting out of him/her, at least most leaders.To the last sentence, I've become so jaded nowadays.
Calm Posted May 31, 2013 Posted May 31, 2013 To the last sentence, I've become so jaded nowadays.I have no doubt there have been at times bishops and other leaders who see themselves as 'tithing police' (I assume people get the reference, if not I'll spell it out), but I just don't see that attribute as being all that common though I do think due to what is done with fast offerings there is a different type and reason for concern to increase those.If my opinion of our bishops in general is correct, than it is the individual who is worried about what the bishop will think if s/he turns in x amount of dollars or for whatever reason wants to turn in less than what s/he thinks is expected of him/her that has the issue. Believing that there are many tithing obsessed bishops out there is likely a jaded view, believing there are tithing obsessed members out there is being realistic, imo.
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