Tacenda Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 My grandmother would just poison mice so they supposedly would go outside to die, too fastidious to use traps.Which meant since I was the one in the family who would volunteer to go clean her house, I got to scrap off the dried up skin and bones out of containers, out of dark corners, etc. Loads of fun, but I never complain about having to use traps anymore though I hate it when they are caught live...let one go once and ended up with half a dozen more in the house so don't do that anymore. Hate putting them out their misery though...what is the kindest way, anyone know? If only they weren't dirty and grew in population so quickly, I wouldn't mind sharing my house with them and would put out some food like birds.This makes me think of the movie "Ben" with Michael Jackson, "Ben the two of us need look no more..
Calm Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 (edited) Ummm....who said anything about saving money. I must be missing something.It is implied in the comments about hiring professionals, getting what you pay for and "moving moochers"....the concept being there are some people (most as professional will do it all if you want to pay for it) who are ask for moving help to save money....then linking that to funeral meals...the leap that the reason why they ask the RS to provide them is to save money is not a stretch.Are you suggesting that having the family cook the meals themselves is a good thing for them to have to worry about during such a stressful time, who else are you suggesting having cook the meals besides professionals or the family? Edited January 9, 2013 by calmoriah
Senator Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 It is implied in the comments about hiring professionals, getting what you pay for and "moving moochers"....the concept being there are some people (most as professional will do it all if you want to pay for it) who are ask for moving help to save money....then linking that to funeral meals...the leap that the reason why they ask the RS to provide them is to save money is not a stretch.Are you suggesting that having the family cook the meals themselves is a good thing for them to have to worry about during such a stressful time, who else are you suggesting having cook the meals besides professionals or the family?I did not have that implication in mind with my comment.You jumped to the conclusion that I must think that no meals should be offered at all. This is not the case. However, is seems apparent in many cases the that this gracious act of service is often taken for granted if not outright demanded of the RS to do. It is one thing to provide a small meal for the immediate surviving family members. It's quite another to be feeding over 200 people. 1
Calm Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 (edited) i agree that it is wrong to demand such service just as it would be wrong to demand anyone to take care of you if you were in need simply because they could or could get others to do it even if your need is extreme, no one is owed anything just because they need it, even food and life itself save those brought into the world by the other or taken on as a responsibility.Gratitude and humility is the necessary flip side of charity and service (not saying we take someone's dignity away).And I didn't assume no meals at all, I assumed you meant that people who could afford caterers should pay for them at funerals. Edited January 10, 2013 by calmoriah
rpn Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 Wasn't there a recent comment in Conference that elders quorums shouldn't be spending all their time moving people? I think assessing the move, and planning makes a lot of sense. And if part of it is encouraging members to move themselves to the best of their ability, I'm all for that too.
Tacenda Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 (edited) It was always encouraged, when my husband was Elders Quorum President, to see if family could help first, I believe. Edited January 10, 2013 by Tacenda
TAO Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 In our ward council one of the Bishopric mentioned that now the Church is having these moving assesment sheets that need to be completed by the EQ, HP or RS. So, basically if you need the Church's help in moving one of these auxillaries would come into your place and assess your need, report it back to the ward council and they can say what they will or won't help out on. So, the Church doesn't want to do everything for you if you are capable of doing it yourself. Has anyone heard of these assesment sheets before?Never head of it before. Usually it's the job of the quorum to go and help out new families and establish connections. I have heard it is good for keeping people active and sometimes getting converts. 1
blackstrap Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 I imagine a lot has to do with the ward demographics. If there are a lot of members who rent because of the transient nature of work,then there will be quite a few who call on the quorums to help move. If this is becoming burdensome to the Elders Moving Company ,there Should be an assessment done and guideline presented.
Duncan Posted January 10, 2013 Author Posted January 10, 2013 (edited) I imagine a lot has to do with the ward demographics. If there are a lot of members who rent because of the transient nature of work,then there will be quite a few who call on the quorums to help move. If this is becoming burdensome to the Elders Moving Company ,there Should be an assessment done and guideline presented.in our ward it isn't a heavy demand, I think I have only helped two familes move in and out in the last year and they weren't burdensome. The last one was a girl from a place called Magrath, Alberta. She moved here to marry her guy from here and her family showed up with her stuff in a real life horse trailer, can you imagine a horse trailer in then 2012?! Edited January 10, 2013 by Duncan
Tacenda Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 in our ward it isn't a heavy demand, I think I have only helped two familes move in and out in the last year and they weren't burdensome. The last one was a girl from a place called Magrath, Alberta moved here to marry her guy from here and her family showed up with her stuff in a real life horse trailer, can you imagine a horse trailer in then 2012?!That is so funny because we actually borrowed our friends horse trailer to move once, but it was only across town. 1
Duncan Posted January 10, 2013 Author Posted January 10, 2013 That is so funny because we actually borrowed our friends horse trailer to move once, but it was only across town.we city fellas were standing there as this thing was backing up to where we were and were like, 'wow I didn't know they actually exist and didn't know you could get this close to one!'
Svawd Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 I think the tithing money should be used to move members
ERayR Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 in our ward it isn't a heavy demand, I think I have only helped two familes move in and out in the last year and they weren't burdensome. The last one was a girl from a place called Magrath, Alberta. She moved here to marry her guy from here and her family showed up with her stuff in a real life horse trailer, can you imagine a horse trailer in then 2012?!Yep.
ERayR Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 I think the tithing money should be used to move membersWhy?
Calm Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 (edited) She moved here to marry her guy from here and her family showed up with her stuff in a real life horse trailer, can you imagine a horse trailer in then 2012?!One around the corner along with its usual occupants. We used to be able to see horses from our backyard, smell them too if the breeze was right, love our newer neighbours but still really, really miss the view and the occasional nicker....not so much the smell.Still can hear some in the neighbour on a quiet summer day or a clip clip or two when one comes walking by. Edited January 10, 2013 by calmoriah 1
mfbukowski Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 I think the tithing money should be used to move membersIt does move them to testimonies of tithing. 2
blackstrap Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 I'm sure the horse trailer was hosed out before loading any household goods. Horse trailers are built to carry a lot of weight and they are much lower to the ground than a moving van. Ideal for moving stuff. Cal,try living to the east of a pig farm with the prevailing winds from the west. My Dad would just say," That's the smell of money,boy ." My Mom would hang the freshly washed clothes out to dry and often a strong West wind ( you know the type) would come up and she would have to take the clothes off the line and rewash them. The pigs eventually bought her a dryer so it evened out. 2
Tacenda Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 I'm sure the horse trailer was hosed out before loading any household goods. Horse trailers are built to carry a lot of weight and they are much lower to the ground than a moving van. Ideal for moving stuff. Cal,try living to the east of a pig farm with the prevailing winds from the west. My Dad would just say," That's the smell of money,boy ." My Mom would hang the freshly washed clothes out to dry and often a strong West wind ( you know the type) would come up and she would have to take the clothes off the line and rewash them. The pigs eventually bought her a dryer so it evened out.I believe we used it to transport our piano, worked out great!
Calm Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 (edited) Once I get past the initial umph when it hits, I find I like the smell especially depending on their feed. Otoh have never grown fond of the smell of half roting silage and no matter who tells me I just won't believe that is healthy for the cows to eat...there is a diary farm along the highway we take to drive into the bustling metropolis of downtown Springville and I make sure to turn off the heater or AC before we hit that particular turn of the road no matter which way the wind is blowing. You would have to pay me significant cash to live next to them, it would so affect my quality of life. I guess one can get used to anything though. Edited January 10, 2013 by calmoriah
Duncan Posted January 10, 2013 Author Posted January 10, 2013 I'm sure the horse trailer was hosed out before loading any household goods. Horse trailers are built to carry a lot of weight and they are much lower to the ground than a moving van. Ideal for moving stuff.Cal,try living to the east of a pig farm with the prevailing winds from the west. My Dad would just say," That's the smell of money,boy ." My Mom would hang the freshly washed clothes out to dry and often a strong West wind ( you know the type) would come up and she would have to take the clothes off the line and rewash them. The pigs eventually bought her a dryer so it evened out.i'm teasing of course! my Mom grew up on a farm and that's why she lives in the city! 1
Svawd Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 Member get hurt because they do not have the right moving equipment
mfbukowski Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 I believe we used it to transport our piano, worked out great!Just lift where you stand.
mfbukowski Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 Once I get past the initial umph when it hits, I find I like the smell especially depending on their feed. Otoh have never grown fond of the smell of half roting silage and no matter who tells me I just won't believe that is healthy for the cows to eat...there is a diary farm along the highway we take to drive into the bustling metropolis of downtown Springville and I make sure to turn off the heater or AC before we hit that particular turn of the road no matter which way the wind is blowing. You would have to pay me significant cash to live next to them, it would so affect my quality of life. I guess one can get used to anything though.Not sure if that beats sirens and smog or not. 1
Tacenda Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 Not sure if that beats sirens and smog or not.Speaking of smog, Utah has the worst in the nation and probably the world as well, darn inversion.
blackstrap Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 Speaking of smog, Utah has the worst in the nation and probably the world as well, darn inversion.China rules in that department.
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