What Does The Statement "I Know Jesus Rose From The Dead" Have To Do With Jesus Rising From The Dead?

[wenglund]

Do we know what "know" means?

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[Brade]

Do we know what "know" means?

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

You should answer the question based on your understanding of "know". That's sort of the point.

[wenglund]

You should answer the question based on your understanding of "know". That's sort of the point.

The point of my question is slightly different. It was to propose a conundrum that may get serious philosophers to endlessly chase their philosophical tails while the rest of us will likely answer quickly and practically and satisfactorily and go on with our lives.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[mfbukowski]

The point of my question is slightly different. It was to propose a conundrum that may get serious philosophers to endlessly chase their philosophical tails while the rest of us will likely answer quickly and practically and satisfactorily and go on with our lives.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Indeed I think that is the point of Pragmatism on this question at least.. Pragmatism at least according to Dewey would just say that if you are certain about something you say you "know" it, and that's about all you need to say. It's kind of like "truth"- we know what a lie is, we know what's true and what isn't. As Rorty would say "there isn't much you can say about truth".

[wenglund]

Indeed I think that is the point of Pragmatism on this question at least.. Pragmatism at least according to Dewey would just say that if you are certain about something you say you "know" it, and that's about all you need to say. It's kind of like "truth"- we know what a lie is, we know what's true and what isn't. As Rorty would say "there isn't much you can say about truth".

Bingo. Give that man the door prize.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[Brade]

The point of my question is slightly different. It was to propose a conundrum that may get serious philosophers to endlessly chase their philosophical tails while the rest of us will likely answer quickly and practically and satisfactorily and go on with our lives.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Serious philosophers are so stupid. If only they weren't so blind to the uncontroversial truth of pragmatism.

[mfbukowski]

Bingo. Give that man the door prize.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Uh ok, but I have as many doors as I need, even if one is a prize.

[mfbukowski]

Serious philosophers are so stupid. If only they weren't so blind to the uncontroversial truth of pragmatism.

I know.

But honestly, in the last hundred years or so it has become a pretty prevalent position with all its variations.

Edited November 13, 2012 by mfbukowski

[Calm]

Uh ok, but I have as many doors as I need, even if one is a prize.

I need one if it is wood, want to put a doggie door through it and metal just doesn't work. Edited November 13, 2012 by calmoriah

[mfbukowski]

I need one if it is wood, want to put a doggie door through it and metal just doesn't work.

Oh it works, you just need a tougher saw and a stronger doggie.

[wenglund]

Serious philosophers are so stupid. If only they weren't so blind to the uncontroversial truth of pragmatism.

I "know." LOL

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[Brade]

I "know." LOL

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[Ahab]

To be complete this polls needs an option where I can choose both answers at the same time.

The fact that Jesus rose from the dead would be true even if I didn't know he rose from the dead, so in some sense what I know doesn't have anything to do with whether or not he rose from the dead.

Yet, on the other hand, I do know that he rose from the dead and the fact that I'm making that statement now, which I am now, does have something to do with that fact because that's what I'm talking about.

I usually prefer the "and" option more than the "or" option, but sometimes both can apply equally.

[Ahab]

I certainly knew that from the beginning. What I was after was what proportion of people go one way or another. Honestly, I'm surprised option 1 isn't getting more adherents. For a while now I've been under the impression that lots of religious people generally, and Mormons in particular, and Mormons active on the internet in even more particular, were taking a pragmatic turn. A big part of why I wanted to pose the question was to see just how big a turn that is, and, again, I'm surprised to see it isn't bigger than it is.

Since I could only choose one answer in your poll I chose only 1 of your options. It would have been better if I could have chosen both options at the same time, though. Both are correct answers, from different perspectives, and neither one contradicts the other.

[Brade]

Since I could only choose one answer in your poll I chose only 1 of your options. It would have been better if I could have chosen both options at the same time, though. Both are correct answers, from different perspectives, and neither one contradicts the other.

I know that Romney is the current president of the United States.

[Ahab]

I know that Romney is the current president of the United States.

Your knowledge is false, on that issue.

Anything else?

Edited November 14, 2012 by Ahab

[Brade]

Your knowledge is false, on that issue.

Anything else?

But what I know doesn't have anything to do with whether or not Romney is the current president of the United States.

[Ahab]

But what I know doesn't have anything to do with whether or not Romney is the current president of the United States.

Why must you toy with me? Please get this over with ASAP!

Oh, wait, i think you're making sense to me now. No, wait, that was just wishful thinking.