Grace, Mercy, And Works And The Revealed Role Of Each

[Duncan]

What happens if people demand or expect works from you and show you no grace? How do you seperate what God wants from you from other people?

[zerinus]

The tide is slowly changing to better fit the doctrine of the BOM and new testament.... it is all in the why

You are imagining things. Wishful thinking is another name for it. The commandment to "say nothing but repentance unto this generation" is still in force, and will never be done away. There is no salvation without repentance in the kingdom of God.

[changed]

I personally know several active LDS who see the doing all they can on their own as the way the access Christ's Grace rather then yoking with him and utilizing his Grace every moment to enable them to do more then they can.

"after all that you can do" balanced with "not requisite that a man should run faster than he has strength." Mosiah 4:27. Perhaps if we were really doing all we could do, we would be living in shacks wearing rags, donating all our worldly goods to the poor... but I don't see too many people doing that. I personally use my kids as an excuse - that I'm not donating everything to the poor, because it's all going to the kids, and wanting the kids to go to a nice school etc. etc. that "after all that you can do" statement is a hard one to face...

[changed]

What happens if people demand or expect works from you and show you no grace? How do you seperate what God wants from you from other people?

Our good bishop recently got in an argument that ended a service project badly... He (and the 1st councilor in the stake) and the YM were at an elderly lady's house doing yard work, when the elderly lady's son showed up. The son asked if the kids knew how to put together a new BBQ, then he sat down and watched them trying to put together his BBQ for him without helping... our bishop does not like it when people refuse to jump in and help, said something like "are you going to help?" ans "no, they're doing just fine" ... "no, I really think you should help them" etc. etc. anyways, the bishop ended up telling the kids to stop putting together the BBQ, and then the son got mad and told everyone to get off the property - would not even let anyone go explain to the mother what had happened... I was not there, but I can understand the difference between genuine service vs. being in a situation where someone just wants to use you...

[Duncan]

Our good bishop recently got in an argument that ended a service project badly... He (and the 1st councilor in the stake) and the YM were at an elderly lady's house doing yard work, when the elderly lady's son showed up. The son asked if the kids knew how to put together a new BBQ, then he sat down and watched them trying to put together his BBQ for him without helping... our bishop does not like it when people refuse to jump in and help, said something like "are you going to help?" ans "no, they're doing just fine" ... "no, I really think you should help them" etc. etc. anyways, the bishop ended up telling the kids to stop putting together the BBQ, and then the son got mad and told everyone to get off the property - would not even let anyone go explain to the mother what had happened... I was not there, but I can understand the difference between genuine service vs. being in a situation where someone just wants to use you...

yes and judge you harshly for nothing-sorry to hear that happened

[mbh26]

I guess that's the difference. He's the bishop so he can interpret and apply his views on grace and works as he chooses and sees fit. I think he did the right thing in that case. But he could do the opposite thing in the next case and have just as much scriptural support to back him up.

[Yirgacheffe]

Our good bishop recently got in an argument that ended a service project badly... He (and the 1st councilor in the stake) and the YM were at an elderly lady's house doing yard work, when the elderly lady's son showed up. The son asked if the kids knew how to put together a new BBQ, then he sat down and watched them trying to put together his BBQ for him without helping... our bishop does not like it when people refuse to jump in and help, said something like "are you going to help?" ans "no, they're doing just fine" ... "no, I really think you should help them" etc. etc. anyways, the bishop ended up telling the kids to stop putting together the BBQ, and then the son got mad and told everyone to get off the property - would not even let anyone go explain to the mother what had happened... I was not there, but I can understand the difference between genuine service vs. being in a situation where someone just wants to use you...

And the elderly lady they were there for was "someone who just wants to use you"? Seems to me the bishop should have humbly set aside his expectations of others and quietly stepped in himself to help the young people assembling the BBQ. Instead he let the jerk of a son take the lead in the situation and left a poor woman wondering what the heck happened, and only the jerk of a son to explain the bad situation. How do you suppose he'll spin this?

[zerinus]

Good works are important, but not to save us... As Brad Wilcox says in the video... Our works are not helping us earn heaven, but rather learn heaven. Repentance at it's core is not about punishment or discipline.... it is about change. God wants our heart.

He is our Father and he wants us to be like him. He gives us things to do to help us have experiences that change us, make us humble, meek, lowly. I am the gardner here and I will cut you down so that I might make you what I want you to be - Hugh B Brown and the currant bush. Our father only asks a broken heart and contrite spirit, that is what he requires for salvation. Works are required for a different purpose. The good works are for us to learn how to be heavenly. It is not a debate about what we are asked to do but rather why he asks us to do it.

Why does he ask you to keep commandments? Why are you asked to do good works?

You keep talking about “doing good works,” while I keep talking about “keeping God’s commandments”. There is actually a difference between the two. I prefer to reference the word of God in purity in its original form, rather than as regurgitated through the intellect of somebody else.

I absolutely agree that he asks us to keep his commandments.... but they do not save us

According to the word of the Lord, there is no salvation without keeping God’s commandments:

1 Nephi 15:

10 Behold, I said unto them: How is it that ye do not keep the commandments of the Lord? How is it that ye will perish, because of the hardness of your hearts?

2 Nephi 30:

1 And now behold, my beloved brethren, I would speak unto you; for I, Nephi, would not suffer that ye should suppose that ye are more righteous than the Gentiles shall be. For behold, except ye shall keep the commandments of God ye shall all likewise perish; . . .

Mosiah 4:

30 But this much I can tell you, that if ye do not watch yourselves, and your thoughts, and your words, and your deeds, and observe the commandments of God, and continue in the faith of what ye have heard concerning the coming of our Lord, even unto the end of your lives, ye must perish. And now, O man, remember, and perish not.

Mosiah 15:

26 But behold, and fear, and tremble before God, for ye ought to tremble; for the Lord redeemeth none such that rebel against him and die in their sins; yea, even all those that have perished in their sins ever since the world began, that have wilfully rebelled against God, that have known the commandments of God, and would not keep them; these are they that have no part in the first resurrection.

"After teaching them some of the great truths of salvation, Abinadi answered his own question: “Salvation doth not come by the law alone; and were it not for the atonement, which God himself shall make for the sins and iniquities of his people, that they must unavoidably perish, notwithstanding the law of Moses” (Mosiah 13:28). Salvation is not in works--not even in those revealed of God--but in Christ and his atonement."

Bruce R McConkie - What think ye of Salvation by Grace

Salvation is in the Atonement not in Works of any kind

The Works are for us...

Our heart yielding to him is what he requires for salvation.

where did I get my weaknesses? From God Ether 12:27

Who fixes my weaknesses? God

Only he has power to change me.... Only his Grace and Mercy enable me to be more then an unprofitable servant; Only yoking with Christ and borrowing his perfection can I put off all unrighteousness. Too many LDS trying to work their way to heaven.... I will put my trust in his everlasting grace, try to do my best but leave my yoke by the wayside and take his yoke, for his is easy and light.

You have got all of those wrong. First of all, I don’t take my cue from Bruce R. McConkie, the Bible dictionary, or something else. I take it directly from the revelations of God. Secondly, what Abinidi was referring to was the Law of Moses; he was not referring to keeping the commandments of God, as referenced in the other scriptures I have cited. Keeping the commandments of God is a universal constant. There is no salvation without repentance and keeping the commandments of God (which are two sides of the same coin).

wow!!!! damned if I don't do all my works..... ouch. ------- I will do all things through Christ who strengtheneth me good enough for me.... His grace will enable me to do all that is required. I can not do it of myself... I am an unprofitable servant.

Yes, damned if we don’t keep God’s commandments. And don’t try to put words in my mouth, or in the Lord’s mouth. Keeping the commandments of God does not translate into “doing all my works”. There is a qualitative difference between the two. Unless we repent we shall perish; that is the word of the Lord. And repentance is more than just a “change of heart”. It is a change of behaviour. It means to stop breaking the commandments of God, and start keeping them. You sound like you ought to be the bishop of the Southern Baptist Convention. Not sure why they have called you a bishop of Mormonism.

By the way, I replied to your other thread here, which you have not yet responded to.

Edited May 8, 2012 by zerinus

[DBMormon]

What happens if people demand or expect works from you and show you no grace? How do you seperate what God wants from you from other people?

What people demand from me means nothing. I am to try to do what God requires of me and be willing to do all he asks.... but we must understand the words willing and try within their context. No one ever does all they can. when you try and are willing, your heart is in the right place. The Holy Ghost and the scriptures tells me what God wants.

[DBMormon]

1 Nephi 15:

10 Behold, I said unto them: How is it that ye do not keep the commandments of the Lord? How is it that ye will perish, because of the hardness of your hearts?

Hardness of hearts = open rebellion.... not willing or trying

2 Nephi 30:

1 And now behold, my beloved brethren, I would speak unto you; for I, Nephi, would not suffer that ye should suppose that ye are more righteous than the Gentiles shall be. For behold, except ye shall keep the commandments of God ye shall all likewise perish; . . .

thinking you are more righteous... Pride.... heart is not in the right place

Mosiah 4:

30 But this much I can tell you, that if ye do not watch yourselves, and your thoughts, and your words, and your deeds, and observe the commandments of God, and continue in the faith of what ye have heard concerning the coming of our Lord, even unto the end of your lives, ye must perish. And now, O man, remember, and perish not.

if you are not watchful over your thoughts and deeds, concerned about the words you heart is not right... no mighty change

also observe to keep the commandments - look to keep them... try to keep them

Mosiah 15:

26 But behold, and fear, and tremble before God, for ye ought to tremble; for the Lord redeemeth none such that rebel against him and die in their sins; yea, even all those that have perished in their sins ever since the world began, that have wilfully rebelled against God, that have known the commandments of God, and would not keep them; these are they that have no part in the first resurrection.

those who rebel against him and die in their sins.... - those who rebel and do not repent. Willfully rebeled... again no broken heart and contrite spirit. read 2nd nephi 31 and write down the DOCTRINE OF CHRIST and then look for it every where. As it ells us how to be saved... in the sense of exhaltation

1.) have faith - believe in and yoke with Christ

2.) repentance

3.) baptism

4.) Holy Ghost

5.) Moroni 32:6 i believe adds that other ordinances might be added - so the temple falls into this

6.) endure to the end - spend your entire life trying, never giving up regardless of how difficult. pressing forward with steadfastness. We must always be improving, we must try, our hearts must be willing, but there is no line we must reach at any certain moment in our life.

A.) you still have not answered... in your framework why does a loving father in heaven asks us, his children, to keep the commandments?

B.) How many commandmnets must one keep? do you keep all of them? do you repent of every one of them? if not you according to what you require can't make it.

Do you not see the scriptures teach us to find a way to unite with Christ and only with his assistance and grace are we able to do all things. If I am headed in the right direction and trying, pressing forward with steadfastness, I will get there. You may put all the burden on yourself to do all he requires and yet one may do all that god asks in keeping the law and if one never is spirituually changed(D&C 88:21) and sanctified, he must inherit another kingdom.

He must be both Justified as well as Sanctified

[DBMormon]

His grace is suffcient..... we are also told that multiple times. Both in the New Testament and the BOM.. why?

so it is not suffcient?

I don't disagree that we are told to keep the commandments..... just that they don't save us.

They are designed for us to fail, recognize our weakness, humble ourselves, and turn to Christ, who then through his grace can make our weaknesses strengths. Ether 12:27

It comes from yielding our hearts to God Helamen 3:35

look at what Lehi tells his Son Jacob 2nd Nephi Ch 2 : 3

Wherefore, thy soul shall be blessed, and thou shalt dwell safely with thy brother, Nephi; and thy days shall be spent in the service of thy God. Wherefore, I know that thou art redeemed (why was he redeemed...because of his righteousness, no... because he kept the commandments... no), because of the righteousness of thy Redeemer; for thou hast beheld that in the fulness of time he cometh to bring salvation unto men.

verse 5 & 6 And men are instructed sufficiently that they know good from evil.(we are given commandments to know good from evil) And the law is given unto men. And by the law no flesh is justified (no person is justified in keeping the law); or, by the law men are cut off (those who rest their salvation on keeping the law will always fail, no one except Christ was able). Yea, by the temporal law they were cut off; and also, by the spiritual law they perish from that which is good, and become miserable forever.

Wherefore, redemption cometh in and through the Holy Messiah; for he is full of grace and truth.

(Salvation comes in and through Christ... It comes in him and through him... because of his grace and truth)

Edited May 8, 2012 by reelmormon

[DBMormon]

why does a strength coach ask you to do one more rep with weights?

then when you do it, says cmon one more .... one more....

eventually you will fail at that last rep.... did you fail becasue he gave you something to do? No

he pushed you to become the best you could. it wasn't about the actual observance of the law perfctly, it was about being pushed to reach your potential

[DBMormon]

from Brad Wilcox's talk "His Grace is Suffcient"

Christ’s arrangement with us is similar to a mom providing music lessons for her child. Mom pays the piano teacher. How many know what I am talking about? Because Mom pays the debt in full, she can turn to her child and ask for something. What is it? Practice! Does the child’s practice pay the piano teacher? No.

Does the child’s practice repay Mom for paying the piano teacher? No. Practicing is how the child shows appreciation for Mom’s incredible gift. It is how he takes advantage of the amazing opportunity Mom is giving him to live his life at a higher level. Mom’s joy is found not in getting repaid but in seeing her gift used—seeing her child improve. And so she continues to call for practice, practice, practice.

If the child sees Mom’s requirement of practice as being too overbearing (“Gosh, Mom, why do I need to practice? None of the other kids have to practice! I’m just going to be a professional baseball player anyway!”), perhaps it is because he doesn’t yet see with mom’s eyes. He doesn’t see how much better his life could be if he would choose to live on a higher plane.

In the same way, because Jesus has paid justice, He can now turn to us and say, “Follow me” (Matthew 4:19), “Keep my commandments” (John 14:15). If we see His requirements as being way too much to ask (“Gosh! None of the other Christians have to pay tithing! None of the other Christians have to go on missions, serve in callings, and do temple work!”), maybe it is because we do not yet see through Christ’s eyes. We have not yet comprehended what He is trying to make of us.

“But Brother Wilcox, don’t you realize how hard it is to practice? I’m just not very good at the piano. I hit a lot of wrong notes. It takes me forever to get it right.” Now wait. Isn’t that all part of the learning process? When a young pianist hits a wrong note, we don’t say he is not worthy to keep practicing. We don’t expect him to be flawless. We just expect him to keep trying. Perfection may be his ultimate goal, but for now we can be content with progress in the right direction. Why is this perspective so easy to see in the context of learning piano but so hard to see in the context of learning heaven?

In all of these cases there should never be just two options: perfection or giving up. When learning the piano, are the only options performing at Carnegie Hall or quitting? No. Growth and development take time. Learning takes time. When we understand grace, we understand that God is long-suffering, that change is a process, and that repentance is a pattern in our lives. When we understand grace, we understand that the blessings of Christ’s Atonement are continuous and His strength is perfect in our weakness (see 2 Corinthians 12:9). When we understand grace, we can, as it says in the Doctrine and Covenants, “continue in patience until [we] are perfected” (D&C 67:13).

Conclusion

The grace of Christ is sufficient—sufficient to cover our debt, sufficient to transform us, and sufficient to help us as long as that transformation process takes. The Book of Mormon teaches us to rely solely on “the merits, and mercy, and grace of the Holy Messiah” (2 Nephi 2:. As we do, we do not discover—as some Christians believe—that Christ requires nothing of us. Rather, we discover the reason He requires so much and the strength to do all He asks (see Philippians 4:13). Grace is not the absence of God’s high expectations. Grace is the presence of God’s power (see Luke 1:37).

Elder Neal A. Maxwell once said the following:

Now may I speak . . . to those buffeted by false insecurity, who, though laboring devotedly in the Kingdom, have recurring feelings of falling forever short. . . .

. . . This feeling of inadequacy is . . . normal. There is no way the Church can honestly describe where we must yet go and what we must yet do without creating a sense of immense distance. . . .

. . . This is a gospel of grand expectations, but God’s grace is sufficient for each of us. [CR, October 1976, 14, 16; “Notwithstanding My Weakness,” Ensign, November 1976, 12, 14]

[DBMormon]

hey changed

that "after all that you can do" statement is a hard one to face...

your right is is very hard when we try to do all we can do... yet Christ never asked that. That scripture is so misunderstood (even by some leaders)

read it backwards

After all you can do it is by Grace that you are saved.

Nothwithstanding all you can do

regardless of what you can do

it is by grace that you are saved... read the whole chapter, it's context becomes obvious

You are not supposed to do it on your own

"My yoke is easy and burden is light"

"I can do all things through Christ who strengtheneth me"

"My strength is made perfect in weakness"

"I will makes their weaknesses strengths"

We just need to stay in the gospel harness and never give up and keep pressing forward......

[Anakin7]

Bottom line is that The LORD OF LIFE looks at out True Heart and Mind to see why we are keeping the commandments. Is it out of True Agape Love for Him and our Fellow man or to just to be seen of men and just go through the motions meaningless ?. We are Saved Only by The True Atoning Blood of Christ Alone [charis- Grace Alone] THROUGH True Faith [ pistis- Faith Alone ]. Jesus Christ True Grace is accessed and activated in one's spiritual and temporal life by way of True Faith. See from a non LDS Christian Disciple's view of vthis - http://www.hallvwort....com/grace.html and www.hallvworthington.com/WilloftheFather.html

In His Debt/Grace

LDS JEDI KNIGHT

Edited May 8, 2012 by Anakin7

[changed]

on another thread on another forum we were talking about the nature of God's love - do you have to earn it through good works?

We love him, because he first loved us.1 John 4:19

sounds like God loves us before we do any works to earn it...

can it be taken away through bad works?

(New Testament | Matthew 5:44 - 48)

44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Seems like in order to be like our Father we need to Love our enemies... Does God love His enemies?

(New Testament | Romans 9:13)

13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

(Old Testament | Psalms 11:5)

5 The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.

[Anakin7]

God Loves us yes - AMEN but we can be separated from Him and not obtain Full Salvation through our total rebellious actions - No Once Saved Always Saved.

In His Debt/Grace

Anakin7

LDS JEDI KNIGHT

Edited May 8, 2012 by Anakin7

[altersteve]

The good works I do cannot save me, but I cannot be saved without them. And there is a difference.

[Anakin7]

I am reminded of something Martin Luther said - " Works are neccesary for salvation but they do not cause salvation for faith alone gives life ".

In His Debt/Grace

Anakin7

LDS JEDI KNIGHT

Edited May 8, 2012 by Anakin7

[Zakuska]

Grace without repentance will not save anyone, period. That is written all over the scriptures.

AMEN! I do not know of a single instance in scripture where some one was saved by doing absolutely nothing. In every instance Faith was exercized and manifested in an Action.

They all had to come follow Christ and beleive in him.

[altersteve]

They all had to come follow Christ and beleive in him.

And following Christ and believing in Him is something you do. It requires action!

[Anakin7]

"Believe or Believing from my understanding of that greek word is present tense, - an on going action.

In His Debt Grace

Anakin7

LDS JEDI KNIGHT

[Zakuska]

And following Christ and believing in Him is something you do. It requires action!

However, there were plenty Damned by "doing absolutely nothing".

I know of no more explicit a pronouncement about the roll of works in the equation of Salvation than this:

Matt 7

21 ¶Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

24 ¶Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:

27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

28 And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:

29 For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.

[zerinus]

Hardness of hearts = open rebellion.... not willing or trying

thinking you are more righteous... Pride.... heart is not in the right place

if you are not watchful over your thoughts and deeds, concerned about the words you heart is not right... no mighty change

also observe to keep the commandments - look to keep them... try to keep them

those who rebel against him and die in their sins.... - those who rebel and do not repent. Willfully rebeled... again no broken heart and contrite spirit. read 2nd nephi 31 and write down the DOCTRINE OF CHRIST and then look for it every where. As it ells us how to be saved... in the sense of exhaltation

1.) have faith - believe in and yoke with Christ

2.) repentance

3.) baptism

4.) Holy Ghost

5.) Moroni 32:6 i believe adds that other ordinances might be added - so the temple falls into this

6.) endure to the end - spend your entire life trying, never giving up regardless of how difficult. pressing forward with steadfastness. We must always be improving, we must try, our hearts must be willing, but there is no line we must reach at any certain moment in our life.

I prefer to say it the way the Lord has said it, "keeping God's commandments".

A.) you still have not answered... in your framework why does a loving father in heaven asks us, his children, to keep the commandments?

Because He loves us and wants to be saved and obtain eternal life; and He knows we can't do that without keeping His commandments.

B.) How many commandmnets must one keep?

All of them.

do you keep all of them?

Yes.

do you repent of every one of them?

Yes.

if not you according to what you require can't make it.

Agreed.

Do you not see the scriptures teach us to find a way to unite with Christ and only with his assistance and grace are we able to do all things.

Agreed. How does that contradict what I said?

If I am headed in the right direction and trying, pressing forward with steadfastness, I will get there.

Agreed. I call that keeping God's commandments.

You may put all the burden on yourself to do all he requires and yet one may do all that god asks in keeping the law and if one never is spirituually changed (D&C 88:21) and sanctified, he must inherit another kingdom.

I don't recognize that. I go by the scripture, "If ye love me, keep my commandments".

He must be both Justified as well as Sanctified

Meaning?

[Zakuska]

And another:

Matt 25

31 ¶When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Theres an awefull lot of "DOING" in these verses to gain entry into Heaven.

Both these groups "beleived" in and had "Faith" in God. The only difference between the two is what they DID.

This can all be boiled down to, "Our actions are the only thing that really do matter." God takes care of all the rest that we can't take care of.

"by Grace yeh are saved AFTER all ye can do" is not a license to do Nothing. Because we should constantly be engaged in doing something and being profitable servants.

Edited May 8, 2012 by Zakuska