Bill “Papa” Lee Posted April 24, 2012 Posted April 24, 2012 I prefer "Cipher in the Snow"Much better movie. I liked the "Last Leaf".
Buzzard Posted April 24, 2012 Posted April 24, 2012 Speaking of old movies, when I attended what at the time was Dixie Jr. College in St. George back in the 70's, they played "Windows of Heaven" for an Institute activity. A lot of the local students were little kids when that movie was made, and they used dozens of them as extras in the scenes filmed in the St. George tabernacle. They were pointing and calling out "there you are!", and "man you had big ears back then" to each other. It made for an interesting way to view a movie.
Maidservant Posted April 24, 2012 Posted April 24, 2012 The Idaho Falls Temple had a waiting room for youth doing proxy baptisms and Johnny Lingo was played every time we were there.I lived within walking distance of the IF temple when I was growing up and occasionally during the summer, my brothers and sisters and I would walk over to the Visitor's Center and ask the people there to show us church movies, especially Johnny Lingo. It was our free movie day, ha ha.The old Johnny Lingo, while a bit "cheesy", was a cute little movie with a nice message at the end. But stay away from the remake, it's just an infomercial for "magic juice".I loved both versions for different reasons. The music on the second is amazing. I was a little off-put by the new one since I was used to the old one, but it has grown on me, and I own the DVD and me and the kids watch it from time to time.
Calm Posted April 24, 2012 Posted April 24, 2012 I get the manipulation concern; I don't really know anyone that like to be manipulated in any fashion. It would be interesting to carry that logic out to the end; how would we live if we were never acted upon? Would we really want to exist if there was no influence upon us? Could be fun to discuss.If you have set up some guiding principles to ensure that you never see an LDS movie then it really is not anyone else's business. I try and do the same thing with the 13th Article of Faith. Unless it comes to action flicks; then I just like to be entertained. Or Law & Order, the original series. I think I will stop; I have guiding principles, but I make lots of exceptions. Basically, I am a lazy guy that sometimes like to just veg and watch the mindless shows on TV.If it floats your boat, great.I tend to avoid chick flicks unless I'm really, really bored. They have to be comedy though, the tearjerkers fall into the same category of emotional manipulation. But I avoid those because they bore me, not out of any deep or shallow principle....same thing with sitcoms (I don't think watching someone experience extreme awkward moments is funny, just excruciating).It's not influence that I have a problem with, I love music for example in part because it has not only an emotional affect on me, but a physical one (one of the reasons I don't like tearjerkers is their overuse of music to convey emotion rather than substance). It is manipulation that creates an emotion that is out of synch with the actuality, using tricks to make up for shallowness or lack of substance in an argument or actual need, creating guilt where guilt shouldn't exist so that someone will do what you want, creating tears so that someone 'feels' even if they don't think that something profound has just been shown when it wasn't all that profound in reality, etc.Influence due to the reality of the emotion, thought, spirit....I am all for that. What I've read of the plots behind many of the LDS films of that era along with hearing the reactions of those who have seen them created a general distaste. Johnny Lingo is in a different category though, as that just was a fun story with a moral as far as I can tell by the story itself and people's reactions (though on occasions I have heard accusations of racism and sexism). Not watching that is just for fun. I might someday break down and watch it if demanded to by a class I am teaching or someone offers to paint the entire inside of my house for me free of charge (I'd pay for the paint of course), but part of me likes the idea I would even resist those opportunities, lol. Somehow not having seen Johnny Lingo has become part of my self identity, don't ask me how, the human mind is a strange and irrational thing....especially mine.
bluebell Posted April 24, 2012 Posted April 24, 2012 The best old church movie is 'the phone call'."So, how are the oranges?" it kills me everytime! My friend and i still use this line whenever we communicate after not seeing each other for a while!
Calm Posted April 24, 2012 Posted April 24, 2012 Speaking of old movies, when I attended what at the time was Dixie Jr. College in St. George back in the 70's, they played "Windows of Heaven" for an Institute activity. A lot of the local students were little kids when that movie was made, and they used dozens of them as extras in the scenes filmed in the St. George tabernacle. They were pointing and calling out "there you are!", and "man you had big ears back then" to each other. It made for an interesting way to view a movie.Where I live now is where one of Richard Dutcher's movies took place, the thriller. There was a lattice around the bottom of the gazebo in the park here, I think the killer hid there. Can't remember if it was there before the movie or put up specially for it. It so freaked out those who went and saw the movie they took it down. A lot of residents were extras as well, many children. Apparently some didn't know the film was going to be a murder mystery (being something new for Dutcher) and were very upset about their children being in it.The cafe at the entrance of the main road into town was the setting for the film, A Christmas Wish (though I think they meant to call it "A Root Beer Christmas" or so we were told at the cafe) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1577038/ . They kept some of the decorations up for quite some time afterwards, it was strange to see Christmas stuff in summer. Don't remember if any locals were extras though. Talking about that cafe is giving me cravings for pancakes, they do great, plate size (large plates size) pancakes for $2, best breakfast value anywhere all day. I love to get pancakes and strawberry milkshakes for a splurge now and then. Can never finish the pancake though even when I just get a milk.
Calm Posted April 24, 2012 Posted April 24, 2012 The best old church movie is 'the phone call'. "So, how are the oranges?" it kills me everytime! My friend and i still use this line whenever we communicate after not seeing each other for a while!Now I feel like I'm missing something....stay strong!!!!
volgadon Posted April 24, 2012 Posted April 24, 2012 (though on occasions I have heard accusations of racism and sexism).Probably because it portrays a "backwards", Polynesian society using women for barter. Well, at the turn of the century Polynesians did use their daughters for barter and the story is told through the eyes of a Westerner, what do they want from it?
Calm Posted April 24, 2012 Posted April 24, 2012 Apparently if I get the gist of the complaint, the Church shouldn't be using such a society as an example, that it should show something besides external approval or possession or whatever the cows stood for as a sign of true beauty, etc.
Deborah Posted April 24, 2012 Posted April 24, 2012 I had a professor at BYU who gave us all those stories like Johnny Lingo and Cipher in the Snow and several others. And that was 40 years ago.
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted April 24, 2012 Posted April 24, 2012 (edited) I love johnny lingo. Feminist mormon housewives need to lighten up! Run, here comes Kate. Edited April 24, 2012 by Mola Ram Suda Ram
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted April 24, 2012 Posted April 24, 2012 The best old church movie is 'the phone call'."So, how are the oranges?" it kills me everytime!My friend and i still use this line whenever we communicate after not seeing each other for a while!The phone call is a classic. I true classic. Oh man the memories.
Garden Girl Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 Cal...I love Johnny Lingo... the original version... I bought the DVD that had several old stories on it, including JL. Regardless of the backward culture, the message is not manipulative. Rather it says a great deal in several ways, as Johnny explains at the end.GG
bluebell Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 Was at the temple helping with youth baptisms tonight and we all watched the original Johnny Lingo when we were done. It. Was. Awesome. (as always). 1
Duncan Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 (edited) The best old church movie is 'the phone call'."So, how are the oranges?" it kills me everytime!My friend and i still use this line whenever we communicate after not seeing each other for a while!http://blip.tv/ldsch...classic-1741757enjoy! It's like an early version of Napolean Dynamite! Edited April 25, 2012 by Duncan
Garden Girl Posted April 26, 2012 Posted April 26, 2012 (edited) I've seen some reasonable LDS movies like "On the Other Side of Heaven" but I haven't seen Johnny Lingo either. I attribute it to having watched the cheesy movie, Saturday's Warriors. I figure one cheesy LDS movie in my lifetime is sufficient. Hello blue...Johnny Lingo is only about 25 minutes long... you can do it...GG Edited April 26, 2012 by Garden Girl
sweetpotatoh Posted April 26, 2012 Posted April 26, 2012 I liked the "Last Leaf".The Last Leaf was good. I am glad that these films are part of our heritage and culture. If you know the film is manipulative, is it?What is the name of the film where the mom is dying and tells her son "I will build you a rainbow when i am gone"?
bluebell Posted April 26, 2012 Posted April 26, 2012 What is the name of the film where the mom is dying and tells her son "I will build you a rainbow when i am gone"?Oh, i had totally forgotten about that movie!! I can't remember the name of it, but i remember we had the soundtrack when i was little.
KevinG Posted April 26, 2012 Posted April 26, 2012 I like the portrayal of Mormons in Paint Your Wagon. It is a nice little subplot.
volgadon Posted April 26, 2012 Posted April 26, 2012 The Last Leaf was good. I am glad that these films are part of our heritage and culture. If you know the film is manipulative, is it?What is the name of the film where the mom is dying and tells her son "I will build you a rainbow when i am gone"?Is the Last Leaf the O. Henry story?
bluebell Posted April 26, 2012 Posted April 26, 2012 Is the Last Leaf the O. Henry story?SPOILER ALERT!!It's the story of a girl who is very sick and spends her days looking outside the window at the last leaf clingly to the wall as autumn fades. She becomes convinced that when the leaf falls, she will die. Her neighbor(?) is an old man who is artist. One night there is a really bad storm and the girl waits until dawn to see if the leaf is gone (so she can just give up the will to live i guess) but it's still there. Eventually it is revealed that the old man went out in the middle of the night and painted the leaf on the wall so that the girl wouldn't know that it had fallen. Then he died.Good movie, but very sad. I really have no idea if it has anything to do with O. Henry.
Wants2know Posted April 27, 2012 Posted April 27, 2012 Being held down and tickled until you give in works in my house. Just a thought….
volgadon Posted April 27, 2012 Posted April 27, 2012 SPOILER ALERT!!It's the story of a girl who is very sick and spends her days looking outside the window at the last leaf clingly to the wall as autumn fades. She becomes convinced that when the leaf falls, she will die. Her neighbor(?) is an old man who is artist. One night there is a really bad storm and the girl waits until dawn to see if the leaf is gone (so she can just give up the will to live i guess) but it's still there.Eventually it is revealed that the old man went out in the middle of the night and painted the leaf on the wall so that the girl wouldn't know that it had fallen. Then he died.Good movie, but very sad. I really have no idea if it has anything to do with O. Henry.That is the one.
KevinG Posted April 27, 2012 Posted April 27, 2012 Calmoriah will never get past the sentinels and angels that protect the throne of God without the knowledge contained in Johnny Lingo. Just sayin'. 1
Calm Posted April 27, 2012 Posted April 27, 2012 (edited) Being held down and tickled until you give in works in my house. Just a thought….Tickling Mom in our house is forbidden due to it setting off my neurological/movement disorder....even thinking about it....ugh....!!!!!So yes, that would probably work but the culprits would pay big time for their success...as in being woken up all night long to share in my lack of sleep at the very least. Edited April 27, 2012 by calmoriah
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