Mormon Charities Among Top Contributors to Terror-Aligned Islamist Charities

[sunstoned]

I found this surprising to say the least.

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A study of nonprofit donors to a dozen leading Islamist charities aligned with foreign Islamist movements reveals that Mormon 501(c) charities, including the Church of Latter-day Saints itself, are among Islamist extremists’ leading benefactors.

One top Mormon charity appears to serve as the single largest domestic 501(c) grantor to American Islamist humanitarian aid charities tied to the designated terrorist organization Hamas, among other violent extremist organizations.

 

 

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Globus Relief, a Salt Lake City-based charity established and run by senior Latter-day Saints members, handed over at least $119 million of support to ten radical Islamist recipients, according to electronically filed 990 tax return data.

Globus’s top grantee, Islamic Relief, is a leading Islamist charitable institution whose branches have been described by the Dutch and German governments as components of the Muslim Brotherhood movement. In 2020, the U.S. State Department warned about the “blatant and horrifying anti-Semitism and glorification of violence exhibited at the most senior levels of Islamic Relief Worldwide,” the franchise’s headquarters in the United Kingdom.

 

 

https://www.meforum.org/fwi/mormon-funding?fbclid=IwdGRzaAPfj1pjbGNrA9-PG2V4dG4DYWVtAjExAHNydGMGYXBwX2lkDDM1MDY4NTUzMTcyOAABHvnByfee3PmkUfmPWZHTsxWUxvxazAP9o7igjTxLiG5qIKr2qqQJqxgyFNAh_aem_LlKIjGm_l1rhh7NE3yDkRQ

[SeekingUnderstanding]

42 minutes ago, sunstoned said:

I found this surprising to say the least.

 

 

https://www.meforum.org/fwi/mormon-funding?fbclid=IwdGRzaAPfj1pjbGNrA9-PG2V4dG4DYWVtAjExAHNydGMGYXBwX2lkDDM1MDY4NTUzMTcyOAABHvnByfee3PmkUfmPWZHTsxWUxvxazAP9o7igjTxLiG5qIKr2qqQJqxgyFNAh_aem_LlKIjGm_l1rhh7NE3yDkRQ

And we know this isn’t Zionist propaganda how? Who’s defining extremist

[Pyreaux]

Good find.

Well, the report relies on Form 990 tax filings, which are public records. This Globus Relief nonprofit does indeed partner with Islamic Relief Worldwide (IRW) and Islamic Relief USA (IRUSA). However, the $119 million figure largely consists of "in-kind" donations. Mostly they are just distributing surplus medical supplies (bandages, syringes, equipment) not cash or anything used in terrorism.

Globus Relief is not an official arm of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, it is run by prominent LDS members and often coordinates with the Church's humanitarian efforts. The LDS Church and Globus Relief often works with Islamic Relief because it has one of the largest "last-mile" delivery networks in the Middle East and Africa, allowing medical supplies to reach places like Gaza where other Western charities struggle to operate. If they want to save lives in a war zone, they have to work with the organizations that are actually there on the ground.

It is true that the U.S. State Department in 2020 and several European governments like Germany and Netherlands have raised alarms about Islamic Relief centered on anti-Semitic social media posts by top IRW leaders and alleged historical ties to the Muslim Brotherhood. Whether Islamic Relief is an extremist organization seems to greatly depend on whether one believes the charity’s humanitarian work can be separate from the political or personal views of its board members.

The authors of the article seem to view any cooperation with these groups that they link to the Brotherhood as "funding extremism." Islamic Relief has undergone audits by firms like KPMG that found no evidence of funds being diverted to terror. The article seems highly slanted, but it is based on real tax data. It frames medical supplies as "support for extremists", and I'm not sure it is.

Edited January 23 by Pyreaux

[Calm]

On 1/22/2026 at 6:24 PM, Pyreaux said:

Mostly they are just distributing surplus medical supplies (bandages, syringes, equipment) not cash or anything used in terrorism.

Given the level of vetting I have heard the Church doing for long term partnership, it wouldn’t surprise me if it partnered with such organizations if this was the only access to very high need areas.  I also wouldn’t be surprised if there were areas of the world where the only large organizations functioning able to get supplies to the people were these.

I think the Church’s humanitarian efforts would test the waters, be sure that such supplies were delivered and not sold for cash, which does happen at times with charitable donations.

I am aware of LDS members run charity organizations who didn’t have the ability to vet as well as the Church does and who got tangled up with corruption in Russia when they worked with small charities like orphanages (in one case, the man in charge of the orphanage took donated clothes and toys meant for the children and sold them and pocketed the cash).  That was 30 years ago, so hopefully with the Internet allowing for some checking, it happens less, but it can’t be that hard to change a name, location and start the scam again unfortunately.

There may be gratitude from the people which receive these donations to the extremist groups (I am speaking generally if there is ever a case the Church does work with the humanitarian arm of such a group, not saying the claims here are accurate) if they connect the political side with the humanitarian side.  I don’t believe we should let people who did not choose to be put in dire circumstances die because they may be grateful and therefore more aligned emotionally with alleged or even real terrorism groups.

Edited January 26 by Calm

[JVW]

3 hours ago, Pyreaux said:

Good find.

Well, the report relies on Form 990 tax filings, which are public records. This Globus Relief nonprofit does indeed partner with Islamic Relief Worldwide (IRW) and Islamic Relief USA (IRUSA). However, the $119 million figure largely consists of "in-kind" donations. Mostly they are just distributing surplus medical supplies (bandages, syringes, equipment) not cash or anything used in terrorism.

Globus Relief is not an official arm of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, it is run by prominent LDS members and often coordinates with the Church's humanitarian efforts. The LDS Church and Globus Relief often works with Islamic Relief because it has one of the largest "last-mile" delivery networks in the Middle East and Africa, allowing medical supplies to reach places like Gaza where other Western charities struggle to operate. If they want to save lives in a war zone, they have to work with the organizations that are actually there on the ground.

It is true that the U.S. State Department in 2020 and several European governments like Germany and Netherlands have raised alarms about Islamic Relief centered on anti-Semitic social media posts by top IRW leaders and alleged historical ties to the Muslim Brotherhood. Whether Islamic Relief is an extremist organization seems to greatly depend on whether one believes the charity’s humanitarian work can be separate from the political or personal views of its board members.

The authors of the article seem to view any cooperation with these groups that they link to the Brotherhood is framed as "funding extremism." Islamic Relief has undergone audits by firms like KPMG that found no evidence of funds being diverted to terror. The article seems highly slanted, but it is based on real tax data. It frames medical supplies as "support for extremists", and I'm not sure it is.

How do you know so much about everything? Had you actually heard of Globus before this post or did you just do some "Limitless" style online sleuthing before posting? You're a rockstar.

[Pyreaux]

21 hours ago, JVW said:

How do you know so much about everything? Had you actually heard of Globus before this post or did you just do some "Limitless" style online sleuthing before posting? You're a rockstar.

I had some idea about their charity operations and how they do medical supplies. I know they did similar things, like donate millions to the Red Cross and I also know it was also mostly in-kind donations and equipment. I've known what "in-kind" donations were since Prop 8.

But I had not heard of Globus. To break it down. First, I read the OP, and like everyone else, it raised a lot of questions. So, my ASD/ADHD kicks in, and I now must find out everything. What are we reading? Is it anti-LDS or anti-Islam propaganda? Why would the church do that? I want to explore all possible angles not answered by the OP. Are LDS foolishly falling for fake charities, do they just love terrorism, are they forced to do it for protection or is it a payoff or bribe?

You can get search engines and AI to find you links and search results. I've mastered some search engine tricks, like to cut most junk, I use quotation marks to find key phases not just words "[phrase]". I include a plus sign in front of all words the result must have +[key word]. Though Google may have actually retired the plus sign for required words. They replaced it with the quotation marks. So, they do not show me results that use synonyms, or only some words. I only want these exact words, and words must appear in that specific order. Put a minus sign to exclude words -[unwanted words]. I find my old forum posts adding site:[URL]. This forces the search engine to only show results from here.

AI is stupid, you need to ask the right things and maybe a few times, then ask for the sources, then check everything it says. Once I have facts, I have some skills in condensing larger bits of information and conveying it.

Edited January 24 by Pyreaux

[the narrator]

On 1/22/2026 at 5:49 PM, SeekingUnderstanding said:

And we know this isn’t Zionist propaganda how? Who’s defining extremist

Middle East Forum is a right-wing Zionist and anti-Islamic garbage think tank. You can safely ignore them.

[The Nehor]

17 minutes ago, the narrator said:

Middle East Forum is a right-wing Zionist and anti-Islamic garbage think tank. You can safely ignore them.

This.

In 2023 journalists found that the UAE hired a Swiss private intelligence agency to spread rumors and allegations about Islamic Relief being affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood. This smear campaign worked and convinced the German government to stop working with them and the Dutch cut back on working with them.

GB News (a British news organization roughly equivalent to Fox News) was heavily involved in the smear campaign and ended up having to make a public apology and pay Islamic Relief damages

This is Islamophobic propaganda.

[Calm]

1 hour ago, the narrator said:

Middle East Forum is a right-wing Zionist and anti-Islamic garbage think tank. You can safely ignore them.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/middle-east-forum/

 

oops, this next part was supposed to go in my next post responding to Nehor.
 

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This is Islamophobic propaganda.

Seems originally more about fear of political influence of the Brotherhood in the UAE if I understand correctly, though picked up by anti Islam groups no doubt.   Seems short sighted of the UAE leaders who went this route.

Edited January 26 by Calm

[Calm]

1 hour ago, The Nehor said:

In 2023 journalists found that the UAE hired a Swiss private intelligence agency to spread rumors and allegations about Islamic Relief being affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood. This smear campaign worked and convinced the German government to stop working with them and the Dutch cut back on working with them.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/uae-backed-attack-campaign-against-islamic-relief-charity-report-says
 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-30443693 (“Audit clears Islamic Relief of terror funding claim”)

[longview]

On 1/22/2026 at 5:49 PM, SeekingUnderstanding said:

And we know this isn’t Zionist propaganda how? Who’s defining extremist

There is a VERY strange alliance between the LEFT and islamo-fascists. When they (including college students wearing keffiyeh) repeatedly chant "from the river to the sea", they want the state of Israel to be eradicated and stupidly advocate the genocide of Jews around the world.

When jihadists perform martyrdom operations, they shout allahu akbar. When moslems make a deep study of the Koran and embrace the troubling and violent passages, they do not become radicalized. They merely become dangerously "observant".

[The Nehor]

Oh goodie, another collection of irrelevant tangents. Might as well have some fun with it.

58 minutes ago, longview said:

There is a VERY strange alliance between the LEFT and islamo-fascists.

Islamofascism is a loaded term that took off after 9/11. It conflates religious fundamentalism with a European-centered nationalist ideology. The two don’t have a lot of overlap. This isn’t a moral comparison. Religious fundamentalists can be as dangerous, less dangerous, or more dangerous than fascists depending on ideology and the situation they are in. Fascism does not just mean “bad”.

There is no such alliance. On the genocide in Gaza they happen to agree that killing a lot of Palestinian civilians in a genocide is morally bad. Some of those religious fundamentalists would believe that a genocide of the people of Israel would be good.

The Left on the whole takes the weirdly controversial stance that genocide in general is bad. There is no alliance there. Islamic fundamentalists and liberal groups disagree on virtually everything.

58 minutes ago, longview said:

When they (including college students wearing keffiyeh) repeatedly chant "from the river to the sea", they want the state of Israel to be eradicated and stupidly advocate the genocide of Jews around the world.

“From the river to the sea” has been a Zionist phrase signifying what it believes is the rightful territory of Israel and is still used in forms by Israel’s political far right. It has also been used by Palestinian militants to call for the destruction of Israel. It has also been used by moderates of many stripes to call for peace and justice and equality throughout the region. Which one do you think idealistic college students meant?

Again you seem to present a false dichotomy. You must either accept the Israeli far right position or the palestinian militants position. No other is possible? that is a sad way of viewing the situation.

58 minutes ago, longview said:

When jihadists perform martyrdom operations, they shout allahu akbar.

And the KKK and Christian Nationalists go around committing hate crimes while calling out “deus vult”.

58 minutes ago, longview said:

When moslems make a deep study of the Koran and embrace the troubling and violent passages, they do not become radicalized. They merely become dangerously "observant".

Oh by Zeus’s Beard…….you can’t be this naive. Have you read the Old Testament? The Bible has more calls for violence and genocide than the Koran. One pretty surface analysis shows double the violence.

Christians who call for genocide of foreigners in their midst are “dangerously observant” of the Old Testament. You can play this game with all flavors of Abrahamic monotheism. Some Christians no deemphasize those passages. Many in Islam do too.

You are cutting your own throat with this argument. If Muslims killing lots of people is observation of their religion then it follows that Christians that aren’t killing lots of people aren’t observant of their own religion.

Or, as many have said, you cannot follow the Bible or the Koran or any scripture in any absolute sense. Instead you pick and choose and interpret.

Insisting that Islam is inherently violent is just another flavor of Islamophobia. The advent of religious fundamentalism which appears to stem primarily from stuff like Darwin and other alternate theories of how things came to be is a pretty recent event. Through a lot of unlucky events and some really really poor geopolitical decisions (looking at you Britain and France) the more fundamentalist forms of Islam won out over way too much of the world. Christian fundamentalists mostly cropped up in nations where rationalism was a strong force so they had a hard time getting power. Those Christian fundamentalists are trying very hard to tear down the tenets of the Enlightenment and take us back to the good old days of theocratic power and authoritarianism.

Okay, so are you going to respond to this? Or just pop out some new random bigoted conspiracist talking points? Oh, can we do the one about how the Covid lockdowns were a secret plot to seize power in some way that is never actually explained? I always liked that one.

[longview]

1 hour ago, The Nehor said:

“From the river to the sea” has been a Zionist phrase signifying what it believes is the rightful territory of Israel and is still used in forms by Israel’s political far right. It has also been used by Palestinian militants to call for the destruction of Israel. It has also been used by moderates of many stripes to call for peace and justice and equality throughout the region.

This is mere deflection. A lame one. The state of Israel is the most egalitarian country in the region. It has citizens from all walks of life including bedouins, huge variety of Jewish ethnicities and backgrounds, arabs of different origins, etc. This diversity is amply represented in both the Knesset and the IDF.

1 hour ago, The Nehor said:

Which one do you think idealistic college students meant?

Those students are for the most part NOT idealistic. They are heavy supporters of Hamas that carried out the horrors of Oct 7 crimes against humanity. They are dyed-in-the-wool communists.

[The Nehor]

3 hours ago, longview said:

This is mere deflection. A lame one.

Oh boy.

3 hours ago, longview said:

The state of Israel is the most egalitarian country in the region. It has citizens from all walks of life including bedouins, huge variety of Jewish ethnicities and backgrounds, arabs of different origins, etc. This diversity is amply represented in both the Knesset and the IDF.

This is true as long as you don’t count non Israeli citizens in the occupied territories. If you do it gets much murkier. They don’t get represented in the Knesset or the IDF. They are under the political, economic, and social control of the Israeli government. Basically they are trapped as militarily occupied territories that should have long ago been either granted autonomy and independence or annexed. Pick a lane. Keeping them in limbo is ridiculous. It would be nearly the equivalent of the US still holding occupied territories occupied in the Second World War under military jurisdiction. That people use this justification to say Israel is a benevolent overlord is a deflection. A lame one

3 hours ago, longview said:

Those students are for the most part NOT idealistic. They are heavy supporters of Hamas that carried out the horrors of Oct 7 crimes against humanity. They are dyed-in-the-wool communists.

Wrong. Wrong. And wrong. You seem to want to believe that so you can feel justified in hating them and grouping everything you don’t like together. It is adorable though how you imagine that your ardent communists are somehow supporters of Hamas. They have no ideals or motivations in common. You just imagine all the people you think are ‘bad’ are somehow buddies. Your perspective on geopolitics and ideological conflict is incredibly juvenile. Christian nationalists have more in common with Hamas than any flavor of communist.

So, what is your next irrelevant tangent? That anarcho-syndicalists are secretly allied to megacorporations in order to bring down Christianity?

[the narrator]

15 hours ago, longview said:

There is a VERY strange alliance between the LEFT and islamo-fascists.

BWHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHAH.

[the narrator]

12 hours ago, longview said:

The state of Israel is the most egalitarian country in the region.

True story. A little over 2 decades ago, I had the opportunity to meet with Bonner Ritchie, who was tasked by President Hunter to make the BYU-Jerusalem Center. His experience in Israel led him to becoming a vocal defender of Palestinians and a critique of the evil Zionist agenda. He opened my eyes to the utter lie you are repeating here, and the reality of the lies you are sharing have only become clearer since.

[Calm]

4 hours ago, the narrator said:

had the opportunity to meet with Bonner Ritchie, who was tasked by President Hunter to make the BYU-Jerusalem Center.

Very interesting read.

An interview where he relates some personal stories…

https://uvu.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/api/collection/Peace/id/552/download

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One of the things that’s kind of

rewarding to me is, whenever I’m in an Arab country, just last week in the United Arab

Emirates and Saudi Arabia, people are very critical of American foreign policy, of

American government, yet they’ve always been very kind and very supportive of

Americans as individuals. I’ve never felt attacked, I’ve never felt any hostility, any

rejection or any threat against me as a result of being American. Of course they know I

don’t support American policy. But they do attribute it to the government and not to

the people for the most part. However, the really extreme groups will go after any

American as a symbolic statement.

Just wanted to doublecheck before I mentioned it, but Ritchie was one of my husband’s professors.  Didn’t take a lot of classes from him, so my husband was quite surprised when he ran into Ritchie at UVU over 20 years later and Ritchie not only remembered my husband’s name, but his doctorate project.

Edited January 27 by Calm

[longview]

9 hours ago, The Nehor said:

13 hours ago, longview said:

The state of Israel is the most egalitarian country in the region. It has citizens from all walks of life including bedouins, huge variety of Jewish ethnicities and backgrounds, arabs of different origins, etc. This diversity is amply represented in both the Knesset and the IDF.

This is true as long as you don’t count non Israeli citizens in the occupied territories. If you do it gets much murkier. They don’t get represented in the Knesset or the IDF. They are under the political, economic, and social control of the Israeli government. Basically they are trapped as militarily occupied territories that should have long ago been either granted autonomy and independence or annexed. Pick a lane. Keeping them in limbo is ridiculous. It would be nearly the equivalent of the US still holding occupied territories occupied in the Second World War under military jurisdiction. That people use this justification to say Israel is a benevolent overlord is a deflection. A lame one

I asked chatGPT:

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do arabs and other non-israeli residents of the West Bank have participation in the Knesset or IDF? do they consider themselves to be under occupation? did they sell or exchange homes and properties israeli citizens moving into the West Bank?

 

Big questions — and they’re tied together, so I’ll take them one by one and be very precise. This topic gets fuzzy fast because legal status, citizenship, and lived reality don’t line up neatly in the West Bank.

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1. Do Arabs / non-Israeli residents of the West Bank participate in the Knesset or IDF?

Short answer: generally, no.

Citizenship is the key

• Palestinians living in the West Bank are not Israeli citizens.

• Because of that:

  • ❌ They cannot vote in Knesset elections

  • ❌ They cannot run for the Knesset

  • ❌ They do not serve in the IDF

Important distinction

• Arab citizens of Israel (about 20% of Israel’s population) do:

  • Vote in the Knesset

  • Have political parties and Knesset members

  • Sometimes serve in the IDF (not mandatory; more common among Druze and Bedouin)

• West Bank Palestinians are not part of this group, even if they live very close to Israeli settlements.

What can West Bank Palestinians vote in?

• They vote (when elections are held) for the Palestinian Authority (PA) — president and legislative council.

• Israel controls borders, airspace, and security, but does not grant Israeli civil rights to most West Bank Palestinians.

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2. Do they consider themselves to be under occupation?

Overwhelmingly, yes.

How Palestinians generally view it

• Most West Bank Palestinians describe their situation as:

  • Military occupation

  • Temporary-but-long-term control without citizenship

• This view is shared by:

  • The Palestinian Authority

  • Most Palestinian civil society

  • The UN and most international legal bodies

Why they see it that way

Commonly cited reasons:

• Israeli military law applies to them, not Israeli civil law

• Checkpoints, travel permits, and restricted movement

• No vote in the government that ultimately controls security and borders

• Ongoing settlement expansion on land they see as theirs

Are there dissenting views?

Yes, but they’re a minority:

• Some Palestinians prioritize economic cooperation over political framing

• Some reject the PA more than Israel

• Some use different language (“control,” “dispute,” etc.)

But politically and culturally, “occupation” is the dominant self-description.

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3. Did Palestinians sell or exchange homes and property to Israelis moving into the West Bank?

Sometimes yes — but it’s complicated, limited, and often coercive or indirect.

What does happen

• Some land was sold to Israelis by Palestinians:

  • Often decades ago (Ottoman, British Mandate, or Jordanian periods)

  • Sometimes through intermediaries or shell companies

• Some land was:

  • Leased

  • Claimed as “absentee property”

  • Declared “state land” by Israel based on Ottoman-era law

What usually does not happen

• Most Palestinians do not voluntarily sell homes in populated areas to settlers.

• Selling land to Israelis is:

  • Socially taboo

  • In many cases illegal under Palestinian Authority law

  • Sometimes punished severely within Palestinian society

Why sales still occur

• Financial pressure or debt

• Sellers living abroad

• Fraud or forged documents

• Sales made secretly to avoid backlash

• Disputed or unclear ownership records

Important reality check

• The majority of Israeli settlements were not created by simple one-to-one home purchases.

• They were established through:

  • Military orders

  • State land declarations

  • Expropriation for “security purposes”

  • Expansion outward from existing settlements

So while some transactions exist, they do not explain most settlement growth.

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Big-picture summary

• West Bank Palestinians

  • ❌ No Knesset vote

  • ❌ No IDF service

  • ✅ Vote (in theory) for Palestinian institutions

• They mostly consider themselves under occupation

• Land sales to Israelis exist but are rare, controversial, and not the main driver of settlements

If you want, I can also:

• Break down Area A / B / C (that’s where a lot of confusion lives)

• Compare Israeli vs Palestinian legal systems side by side

• Walk through how one specific settlement was established, step by step

I followed up with:

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How many martyrdom operations have been conducted by Jihadists out of the West Bank? How many were suicide bombers?

 

Here’s what reliable historical data show about martyrdom/suicide attacks linked to West Bank militants, and how many such attacks came from the West Bank specifically:

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📌 What “martyrdom operations/suicide bombings” means

In this context, “martyrdom operations” refers to suicide attacks where the attacker dies in the act — typically explosive devices carried on the body, in vehicles, etc. This is a subset of total militant attacks (which also include shootings, stabbings, rocket fire, etc.).

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📊 Historical count of suicide bombings by Palestinians

• During the Second Intifada (roughly late 2000–2005), there were approximately 138–146 documented Palestinian suicide bombings carried out against Israeli targets across Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza.

  • This figure generally refers to all suicide attacks regardless of geographic origin of the attacker.

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📍 How many of those originated from the West Bank

• Israeli security data and analysis indicate that a minority of suicide attacks actually originated from the West Bank:

  • One systematic study found that 73 suicide bombings overall were carried out from the West Bank, killing hundreds of Israeli civilians.

  • Out of those, only about 12 occurred after 2006 — after the immediate post-Intifada period, when barriers and intelligence efforts significantly reduced infiltration from the West Bank.

👉 In other words:

• The bulk of Palestinian suicide bombings in the early 2000s were planned by West Bank-based groups or involved West Bank residents*, but only dozens of attacks were actually executed from within the West Bank against Israeli civilian areas.

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🧠 Clarifying “how many suicide bombings”

Different datasets count things in different ways:

• One dataset found about 159 suicide attacks between September 2000 and December 2006 across all Palestinian areas (West Bank + Gaza + East Jerusalem + Israel), totaling 176 individual attackers.

• Research focused on suicide attacks specifically linked to identifiable origin confirms a much smaller number actually came from the West Bank.

So a reasonable summary is:

• 100+ Palestinian suicide bombings total in the Second Intifada era.

• ~70-80 of those are widely understood to be connected to West Bank planning or launch.

• ~12 or fewer occurred after 2006 from the West Bank alone.

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🚨 Other “martyrdom operations”

• If you’re asking about militant attacks more broadly that might be described as “martyrdom operations” (including attempted suicide missions, vehicle rammings, or looser uses of the term in jihadist propaganda), there isn’t a single authoritative global tally tied specifically to West Bank actors — the data above refer to suicide bombings recognized by intelligence and counterterrorism datasets.

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🧠 Key caveats

• Figures vary by source, by how “origin” is defined, and by whether attempts (foiled attacks or attackers killed before detonation) are counted.

• Many attacks were plotted in the West Bank but executed elsewhere, or involved attackers who had moved.

• Suicide bombings peaked in 2001–2003 and largely declined by the late 2000s due to security measures and barriers.

These things are NOT really occupation constraints against civil rights of non-israelis BUT security measures implemented to prevent murderous attacks. The Palestinian Authority (PA) provide governing services. A country has the right to ask for good will and faith of applicants for citizenship.

Gaza was GIFTED outright to so-called "palestinians". The IDF forcibly removed Jews from Gaza and left prosperous green houses and viable businesses. The "palestinians" had FULL control of Gaza and unrestricted access to the Mediterranean Sea. They received untold BILLIONS from various countries around the world.

Yasser Arafat claimed to be palestinian but that was a lie. He was actually a native of Cairo Egypt. He stole billions from his "people" and stashed them in "off-shore" accounts. So did leaders of Hamas and other terrorist entities. The green houses and other properties were trashed. They plowed their resources into building massive underground tunnels. Many that connected hospitals, mosques and schools, all used for stealth attacks and human shields.

At first there were no walls around Gaza. Gazans applied for and were able to obtain employment inside Israel proper. If their hospitals were not up to standards, they were eager to obtain better care inside Israel. Israelis were showing good will every way they could. But they started sending suicide bombers to checkpoints. So Israelis were forced to expand their checkpoints into multi stage security screenings. Then Hamas were sending terrorists across the wall-less boundaries so the Israelis were forced to construct security fences. But NONE of the measures took away any control of governing Gaza.

Then Hamas started a major propaganda offensive by demonizing the security fence as being a form of apartheid oppression! Which was ridikulous. Gazans still had full control and autonomy of their government.

10 hours ago, The Nehor said:

You seem to want to believe that so you can feel justified in hating them and grouping everything you don’t like together. It is adorable though how you imagine that your ardent communists are somehow supporters of Hamas. They have no ideals or motivations in common.

Not hate but prudent opposition (what Captain Moroni felt in resisting against the scheming "king-men" wanting to impose totalitarianism). I made another inquiry of chatGPT:

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There is frequent demonstrations by antifa, college students and leftists in general that support the atrocities of Hamas that were perpetrated on Oct 7 2023. Many of them wear Keffiyeh and belittle the sufferings of Israeli victims. Why is there such a strange alliance between the LEFT and communists with islamo-fascism?

 

Yeah — this feels jarring to a lot of people, and you’re not imagining the contradiction. What you’re seeing is not a single coherent alliance, but a messy overlap of ideology, symbolism, grievance politics, and moral shortcuts. Let’s unpack it without hand-waving.

I’ll start by validating something important: supporting or excusing the Oct 7 atrocities is not “anti-war” or “pro-Palestinian” — it’s apologetics for mass murder. Many Israelis (and plenty of Jews outside Israel) experience those demonstrations as a denial of very real trauma. That reaction makes sense.

Now, why does this strange alignment happen at all?

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1. The LEFT isn’t unified — but parts of it think in binaries

A significant slice of the modern activist left operates with a colonizer vs. colonized framework:

• Israel = powerful, Western-aligned, “settler-colonial”

• Palestinians = oppressed, stateless, indigenous

Once a conflict is locked into that frame, a dangerous shortcut appears:

The “oppressed” side is treated as morally righteous by default.

That’s how people end up:

• Minimizing Hamas’s ideology

• Reframing atrocities as “resistance”

• Treating Israeli victims as politically inconvenient

This isn’t communism in the classic sense — it’s moral reductionism.

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2. “The enemy of my enemy” logic (Cold War brain rot)

This part does have historical roots.

During the Cold War:

• The Soviet bloc supported any movement opposed to the U.S. and its allies

• That included Islamist groups, even though they were violently anti-communist

That habit never fully disappeared. Some leftist movements still instinctively align with:

• Anti-Western

• Anti-American

• Anti-NATO
  actors — regardless of their internal ideology

So Hamas gets framed not as:

“a theocratic, misogynistic, antisemitic movement”

but as:

“a resistance force against Western imperialism”

Which is… a wild misread, but a persistent one.

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3. Identity politics > universal values (this is the real pivot)

Older leftist traditions emphasized:

• Secularism

• Women’s rights

• Free speech

• Minority protections

Many newer activist spaces prioritize:

• Group identity

• Narratives of power

• Lived experience over universal rules

That creates a paradox:

• Islamist movements are deeply anti-feminist, anti-gay, anti-pluralist

• But they’re led by people seen as “non-Western” and “marginalized”

So criticism of Hamas or jihadism gets reframed as:

• “Islamophobia”

• “Colonial bias”

• “Silencing oppressed voices”

This is how illiberal movements get shielded by liberal rhetoric.

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4. The keffiyeh is no longer about Palestinians — it’s a signal

For many Western protesters, the keffiyeh isn’t:

• A nuanced political statement

• A deep engagement with Palestinian society

It’s a tribal badge that says:

“I’m against the system.”

That’s why you’ll see:

• Zero knowledge of Hamas’s charter

• Zero interest in Israeli civilian suffering

• Heavy use of slogans instead of arguments

This is performative solidarity — not political literacy.

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5. Antisemitism sneaks in through the back door

This is uncomfortable, but it matters.

Some activists genuinely don’t see Israeli Jews as:

• A vulnerable minority

• Or as indigenous to the region at all

Instead, Jews get recast as:

• “White”

• “Privileged”

• “Powerful”

That erases:

• Jewish history in the Middle East

• Mizrahi Jews

• Pogroms, expulsions, and genocide

Once Jews are reclassified as “oppressors,” empathy shuts off — and violence against them gets relativized.

That’s not new antisemitism; it’s old antisemitism wearing new clothes.

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6. Important nuance: this is not “the LEFT” as a whole

Plenty of left-leaning people:

• Condemned Oct 7 immediately

• Support Palestinian rights and Israeli civilian safety

• Reject Hamas outright

But loud activist subcultures — especially on campuses and social media — punch far above their numbers.

They’re amplified because:

• Outrage travels

• Simplicity beats nuance

• Moral certainty feels good

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Bottom line (no hedging)

There isn’t a principled alliance between leftism and “Islamo-fascism.”

What you’re seeing is:

• Anti-Western reflexes

• Identity-based moral shortcuts

• Performative activism

• And, in some cases, plain old antisemitism

All wrapped in language about justice. (social justice mantra)

 

[JVW]

7 minutes ago, longview said:

I asked chatGPT:

I followed up with:

These things are NOT really occupation constraints against civil rights of non-israelis BUT security measures implemented to prevent murderous attacks. The Palestinian Authority (PA) provide governing services. A country has the right to ask for good will and faith of applicants for citizenship.

Gaza was GIFTED outright to so-called "palestinians". The IDF forcibly removed Jews from Gaza and left prosperous green houses and viable businesses. The "palestinians" had FULL control of Gaza and unrestricted access to the Mediterranean Sea. They received untold BILLIONS from various countries around the world.

Yasser Arafat claimed to be palestinian but that was a lie. He was actually a native of Cairo Egypt. He stole billions from his "people" and stashed them in "off-shore" accounts. So did leaders of Hamas and other terrorist entities. The green houses and other properties were trashed. They plowed their resources into building massive underground tunnels. Many that connected hospitals, mosques and schools, all used for stealth attacks and human shields.

At first there were no walls around Gaza. Gazans applied for and were able to obtain employment inside Israel proper. If their hospitals were not up to standards, they were eager to obtain better care inside Israel. Israelis were showing good will every way they could. But they started sending suicide bombers to checkpoints. So Israelis were forced to expand their checkpoints into multi stage security screenings. Then Hamas were sending terrorists across the wall-less boundaries so the Israelis were forced to construct security fences. But NONE of the measures took away any control of governing Gaza.

Then Hamas started a major propaganda offensive by demonizing the security fence as being a form of apartheid oppression! Which was ridikulous. Gazans still had full control and autonomy of their government.

Not hate but prudent opposition (what Captain Moroni felt in resisting against the scheming "king-men" wanting to impose totalitarianism). I made another inquiry of chatGPT:

 

You're a rare breed, brother. Both the left and the right hate Israel for some overlapping reasons, and also some unique ones. It used to be mostly left that were overtly anti-Israel (pro-Palestinian is implicitly anti-Israel). Since Charlie Kirk's death (paired with Nick Fuentes rise) the anti-Israel sentiment from the right has exploded. So now I just see it everywhere, regardless of what comments section I'm in. It's becoming harder and harder to find someone online who will passionately defend Israel and I respect you for it. Whether you're right or wrong I appreciate you making an effort to defend a State you believe in. Thanks brother.

[longview]

2 hours ago, the narrator said:

True story. A little over 2 decades ago, I had the opportunity to meet with Bonner Ritchie, who was tasked by President Hunter to make the BYU-Jerusalem Center. His experience in Israel led him to becoming a vocal defender of Palestinians and a critique of the evil Zionist agenda. He opened my eyes to the utter lie you are repeating here, and the reality of the lies you are sharing have only become clearer since.

This is sensible but you mislead by saying Ritchie called Zionist to be evil. I read your link. The impression I got was that President Hunter wanted to mitigate polarization as much as possible. Ritchie sounds like a wonderful "ambassador" for promoting greater peace and understanding. It is my belief that a large segment of moslems do NOT embrace all the toxic elements taught in the Koran. This is marvelously shown by the Iranians (Persians) who are now valiantly demonstrating massively against the oppressions of the barbaric and terroristic islamo-fascistic regime (ayatollahs and mullahs).

This effort is bearing fruit. President Trump was able to achieve amazing breakthroughs by getting many arab nations to sign onto the Abraham Accords. He was able to get Hamas to release hostages and return bodies.

However, it was disturbing to see in your link a picture of Ritchie standing next to and embracing Yasser Arafat. Arafat was TOXIC through and through. He NEVER negotiated in good faith.

[The Nehor]

22 minutes ago, longview said:

I asked chatGPT:

22 minutes ago, longview said:

I followed up with:

These things are NOT really occupation constraints against civil rights of non-israelis BUT security measures implemented to prevent murderous attacks. The Palestinian Authority (PA) provide governing services. A country has the right to ask for good will and faith of applicants for citizenship.

Gaza was GIFTED outright to so-called "palestinians". The IDF forcibly removed Jews from Gaza and left prosperous green houses and viable businesses. The "palestinians" had FULL control of Gaza and unrestricted access to the Mediterranean Sea. They received untold BILLIONS from various countries around the world.

They were not “gifted” Gaza. The Israelis pulled out because of threats to their illegal (under international law) settlements. In the West Bank there was less terrorist activity so the illegal settlers have multiplied. Quite a perverse incentive structure. Cooperate and we’ll steal your land. Fight back and we will leave. Either way you don’t get rights.

22 minutes ago, longview said:

Yasser Arafat claimed to be palestinian but that was a lie. He was actually a native of Cairo Egypt. He stole billions from his "people" and stashed them in "off-shore" accounts. So did leaders of Hamas and other terrorist entities. The green houses and other properties were trashed. They plowed their resources into building massive underground tunnels. Many that connected hospitals, mosques and schools, all used for stealth attacks and human shields.

At first there were no walls around Gaza. Gazans applied for and were able to obtain employment inside Israel proper. If their hospitals were not up to standards, they were eager to obtain better care inside Israel. Israelis were showing good will every way they could. But they started sending suicide bombers to checkpoints. So Israelis were forced to expand their checkpoints into multi stage security screenings. Then Hamas were sending terrorists across the wall-less boundaries so the Israelis were forced to construct security fences. But NONE of the measures took away any control of governing Gaza.

A very one-sided perspective.

22 minutes ago, longview said:

Then Hamas started a major propaganda offensive by demonizing the security fence as being a form of apartheid oppression! Which was ridikulous. Gazans still had full control and autonomy of their government.

They did not. Their government exists only at the sufferance of the Israeli government and cannot protect its own people from the Israeli government. It is still an occupied territory. They could be autonomous. Just grant them independence.

22 minutes ago, longview said:

Not hate but prudent opposition (what Captain Moroni felt in resisting against the scheming "king-men" wanting to impose totalitarianism). I made another inquiry of chatGPT:

I’m not going to argue with unsourced AI that is biased to agree with the questioner. I have gotten AI to agree with me about blatant falsehoods and then to reverse itself when I seemed to support the other side. It is not something anyone should be relying on and using AI as a source in an argument is basically outsourcing your own thinking. Don’t do that. It is lazy and not healthy.

Also the king-men comparison is inane. The king-men were a privileged class in Nephite society seeking to centralize power to themselves. The Palestinians are an occupied enemy people with no citizenship at the bottom of society’s ladder. Captain Moroni was courageous enough to punch up at entrenched powerful interests. Punching down at relatively powerless Palestinians is craven by comparison.

[The Nehor]

13 minutes ago, longview said:

This is sensible but you mislead by saying Ritchie called Zionist to be evil. I read your link. The impression I got was that President Hunter wanted to mitigate polarization as much as possible. Ritchie sounds like a wonderful "ambassador" for promoting greater peace and understanding. It is my belief that a large segment of moslems do NOT embrace all the toxic elements taught in the Koran. This is marvelously shown by the Iranians (Persians) who are now valiantly demonstrating massively against the oppressions of the barbaric and terroristic islamo-fascistic regime (ayatollahs and mullahs).

Not islamo-fascist. Muslim authoritarian fundamentalist theocrats.

Also the valiant demonstrators hate the US President now. When the protests began the President verbally made grand claims about having the protestors backs which led to more extreme protests where lots of people were killed by government security forces. Making false promises to protestors and resistors got a lot of people killed and that will not be forgotten. Even if they do somehow topple the regime it will likely be far less friendly with the US than it might have been otherwise. Downside of having a blowhard idiot trying to do diplomacy via social media.

[ttribe]

22 hours ago, longview said:

There is a VERY strange alliance between the LEFT and islamo-fascists. When they (including college students wearing keffiyeh) repeatedly chant "from the river to the sea", they want the state of Israel to be eradicated and stupidly advocate the genocide of Jews around the world.

When jihadists perform martyrdom operations, they shout allahu akbar. When moslems make a deep study of the Koran and embrace the troubling and violent passages, they do not become radicalized. They merely become dangerously "observant".

"Everything I don't like or don't want to believe I blame on the 'Left.'" - This Guy ^^^

[longview]

4 hours ago, The Nehor said:

Not islamo-fascist. Muslim authoritarian fundamentalist theocrats.

You quibble. The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem during WWII rubbed shoulders with actual Germans (see center picture second row). Islamists love to read Mein Kampf. Sharia law is designed to impose systemic tyranny.

[The Nehor]

55 minutes ago, longview said:

You quibble. The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem during WWII rubbed shoulders with actual Germans (see center picture second row). Islamists love to read Mein Kampf. Sharia law is designed to impose systemic tyranny.

Nice try. The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was a British ally until he revolted against their rule to try to liberate Palestine. Then he fled to Lebanon and later to Europe and pleaded his case to fascist leaders for Palestinian independence. That doesn’t make him a true fascist any more than Finland allying with the Nazis was a support of their ideology. They saw fascists as a tool to get what they wanted. They (and many other) failed at getting what they want. If this is how you try to argue that Islam is aligned with fascists you are just being silly.

There are plenty today who still think it is a good idea to put fascists in power thinking they can be controlled to achieve their own ends. I would say this about them:

 

And no, Muslims don’t love Mein Kampf. It doesn’t mention Arabs at all and only mentions Islam once. There is a market in some areas for translations of excerpts from Mein Kampf (focused on anti-Semitic quotes) in the same places you can get quotes from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and the like. Mein Kampf is a dull read. Hitler was a terrible writer. There are some cultures where a copy of Mein Kampf (often not in a language the owner can even read) being a kind of totem for anti-Semitism or nationalism or whatever has caught on in that area. You see a weird subset of this in India is well. But no, there aren’t hordes of Muslims who love reading Mein Kampf.

Sharia Law does not exist to impose systemic tyranny any more than the Torah exists to impose systemic tyranny. You don’t even know what Sharia Law is or what it involves. It is like “wokeness” or “DEI” or “Critical Race Theory”. These are undefined buzzwords where the people using them have no idea what they mean. They’re like Mein Kampf is in the hands of Muslims and Indians and others that have a weird Hitler thing. They all have no idea what is in the book or what the word means but they use them as identity markers. Dimwits often need such petty totems as symbols of a group identity. Understanding what the totem is actually meant for would require too much work.

 

So……any more irrelevant lies you have cribbed from dimwit propagandists you want me to shoot down for you? Or are you actually going to defend your assertions instead of running off to find more this time? Seriously, this is like slow pitch softball.

Edited January 28 by The Nehor