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  1. In the above 4 hour-old video from the Church News (posted by Tacenda), President Nelson emotionally testifies that much study and prayer went into the final decision and that the Lord inspired him and the other leaders to make the decision. It’s good to know the President of the Church will fudge and stretch the truth a little bit to give the members the false impression that the decision was somehow inspired of God rather than what it actually was — just another run-of-the-mill administrative decision made by Church administrators in order to placate an outraged crowd. Yes it’s good to know the Church leaders can be just like cynical, manipulative politicians. Thanks to this obvious mischaracterization by the Church leaders, I now have more hope someone like me can make it to the celestial kingdom.
  2. When we read the expression ‘is one’ in the 3 verses, in each case it’s a shortened way of saying “the celestial is one of the three kingdoms of heavenly glory;” “the terrestrial is another one of the three kingdoms of heavenly glory;” “ the telestial is the last one of the three kingdoms of heavenly glory.” Yet within each of these three heavenly kingdoms there are an infinite number of gradations of light. Think of the sun and the amount of light it’s able to shed on any given spot of the world depending on atmospheric conditions and how high it is in the sky. For instance, at the moment of sunrise on the first day of winter in the New York City area there is far less illuminating light in the sky when compared to the dazzling display of light shed on a clear day at the beginning of summer when the noon sun is directly overhead. Similarly, an early crescent moon sheds far less light on the earth than the moon does when it’s full and positioned high in the sky. In like manner, to the naked eye some stars are quite bright and clearly distinguishable, while others are exceedingly dim and barely visible. So it appears that even though each kingdom of glory (divine light) is a separate and discrete kingdom, in each of these kingdoms there are infinite gradations of glory depending on the unique characteristics of each individual. This means it’s erroneous to imagine that each member of the celestial and terrestrial kingdoms receive the same amount of light available within each of these two kingdoms, while it’s only in the telestial kingdom that there are gradations of light and empowerment. Your thoughts are based on a simple misunderstanding of what each of the verses are actually saying.
  3. In the terminology of the Church, the expression ‘eternal life’ means, “the kind of life God lives.” In all three of the post resurrection kingdoms of heavenly glory, each recipient of salvation receives the very same light, power, and knowledge of God through the atoning sacrifice of Christ, but even though each saved individual receives sufficient empowerment and knowledge from God to enable them to live godly lives of holiness, it’s only those who obtain the highest degree of glory in the celestial kingdom’ three degrees who are empowered to live the kind of life that God lives in infinite and eternal fullness; and they are those whom the Apostle Paul describes as receiving “a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory.” Finally, I can assure you that most Latter-Day Saints, including many of its leaders, would admit it makes perfect sense to say that those who obtain salvation in the lower kingdoms of heavenly glory do indeed receive a portion of eternal life, but just not the fulness of the same. While it’s indeed true that eternal life isn’t usually defined in this way, yet within the theology and soteriology of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints it makes perfect sense to say that portions of eternal life can be enjoyed within each degrees of heavenly glory. After all, if the Savior promised those who would receive him in mortality the blessing of eternal life even before death and their glorious resurrection, it’s perfectly logical to conclude that aspects of eternal life can be enjoyed by those who are not fully exalted in the celestial kingdom of God.
  4. Well thank goodness I don’t have to deal with that! Mt life is complicated enough!
  5. Surprised to see wearing only underwear with video on isn’t an option. It happened to me.
  6. I knew from the start it was a crock. Immediately after first reading the Salamander Letter I had a most overwhelming impression sweep over my mind that told me the Martin Harris of the Testimony of the Three Witnesses and the supposed “Martin Harris” of the Salamander Letter were two different people. Thereafter I knew intuitively that the real Martin Harris would never have written such a cockamamie load of nonsense. And can you Imagine what would have happened had the Church leaders forcefully denounced the Salamander Letter as a fraud had Hofmann gotten away with his fraudulent scheme, and not ‘blown his cover’ by literally and figuratively blowing himself up? Well I’ll tell you what would have happened: To this day the Church leaders would be being denounced as pious frauds and mocked as false prophets because virtually every expert in the world, including Church ‘experts’ like Dean Jessee (if he were still with us), would continue to be confidently vouching for the Salamander Letter’s obvious “authenticity.”
  7. 47 Then shall the arm of the Lord fall upon the nations. 48 And then shall the Lord set his foot upon this mount, and it shall cleave in twain, and the earth shall tremble, and reel to and fro, and the heavens also shall shake. 49 And the Lord shall utter his voice, and all the ends of the earth shall hear it; and the nations of the earth shall mourn, and they that have laughed shall see their folly. (Doctrine and Covenants 45)
  8. God is happy because he’s intimately acquainted with the difference between good and evil and, like his Son Jesus Christ who was tempted of the devil but overcame his temptations in the wilderness, always chooses to do good. Is God inferior to Adam and Eve, as they existed prior to the fall, because he has a perfect knowledge of good and evil while they didn’t? Did God create beings who were superior to himself because the were perfectly innocent and unaware of the ins and outs of good and evil? If so, it looks like the perfect innocence Adam and Eve enjoyed is insufficient to remain in a holy condition because they were fallible enough to unwisely make decisions that caused them to fall from their Edenic state. And of course it always comes back to this: if Christ is the Lamb of God who was slain before the foundation of the world, this can mean nothing less than that God created Adam and Eve in this supposed state of perfect innocence while being fully aware that that innocence wouldn’t prevent them from eventually falling. Why would God do this? And if the state of pure innocence, without a knowledge of good and evil, is so desirable, and a perfect end in and of itself, why in the world didn’t he let Adam and Eve enjoy their perfect innocence without allowing Satan to come and tempt them — something he could have very easily prevented? Further, why did God place the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in a place of such prominence in the midst of the garden, and then laden it with the most delicious and desirable of fruit, and simply not take any chances at all that might cause them to eventually succumb to temptation and loose their state of idyllic innocence? So again, it’s plainly obvious that the original state of innocence experienced by Adam and Eve in the garden couldn’t possibly have been a perfect state of existence, in and of itself, because they lacked the moral insight and strength of character to forever remain in their state of putative “perfection” that wasn’t so perfect after all.
  9. I believe the comment is tantamount to someone saying ‘I’m perfectly happy to be a woman’, or ‘I’m perfectly happy to a man.’ In other words, it’s like someone saying ‘at least insofar as my sexuality is concerned, I don’t need any fixing.’ So it’s simply an expression of “gay pride” or ‘gay affirmation.’ I’m sure if you pinned this person down she would say, ‘oh I believe in eternal progression alright, but I don’t believe I have to progress beyond being gay until I’m heterosexual because I believe I’m fine just as I am. It’s the oft heard, ‘why should I be ashamed of the way God made me because I’ve been this way since I was a little child and therefore being gay for me is as natural for you to be straight.’ As for Yours Truly, I believe it’s likely the tendency for some to have an attraction toward those of the same sex is a manifestation of the fallen nature that will naturally fade and eventually pass away completely when resurrection of glory renews and purifies the constitution and processes of the human mind and body, bringing the souls of those thus redeemed into a greater alignment with the nature and mind of the Holy Spirit; for even those who inherit the telestial glory will receive a remission of their sins and a tremendous outpouring of the gift of the Holy Ghost, the Minister of Righteousness. It’s for this reason that all of today’s lobbying and pining away for gay temple sealings is an exercise in futility because after the resurrection there won’t be anyone left who will have the desire to be married eternally to someone of the same sex. The only problem is that openly teaching this today would be considered a cruel and insensitive disaffirmation of homosexuality that would cause widespread despair, outrage and vicious condemnations from those who stand at the windows of “the large and spacious building.’ Till the dawn of the millennium, be prepared for a rocky and tumultuous ride.
  10. This is absolutely the best post I’ve ever seen on this board! It’s all so plain that I’m wondering why I never before thought of these oh-so-obvious implications of the world prior to the fall? Here we have 2 full-grown adults (at least in body) running around a garden naked, and so innocent that they have no idea how to differentiate between good and evil, and so naive that they are going to remain virtual toddlers throughout all eternity. “Hey Dad, thank goodness we’re going to remain clueless babes for all eternity because otherwise we’d be as bored as hell...”
  11. I’m having a most interesting experience at the moment. A short while ago I awoke from a nap and the first thing I did after waking is read the above post, and since then I’ve been sitting here trying to figure out what it was that I thought you said in the first place that prompted me to comment as I did. No matter how hard I try I just can’t seem to figure out what it was that I thought you said that caused me to say what I said. In retrospect, it seems my comment was actually in response to something someone else said or I somehow got an impression that you had said something you actually didn’t say. I’ll let you know if I ever figure it out.
  12. The only reason why some members are entertaining such foolish notions is because they apparently fail to comprehend the infinite and eternal perfections of the Godhead. Superimposing the imperfections, frailties and immature earthly squabbles between the men and women of this fallen onto the interactions of the exalted men and women who rule and reign in the celestial kingdom is a fools errand. God the Father and Heavenly Mother are perfectly united and at one in all things, and there isn’t the slightest degree of compulsion or unrighteousness dominion that has anything to do with that perfect unity of mind, heart and soul.
  13. Laman and Lemuel were also rebuked by an angel and witnessed many mighty miracles and yet they remained unmoved. Perhaps the difference lies in the fact that Alma was truly sorry and regretful for his sins while Laman and Lemuel never felt bad enough for long enough to have it make a difference.
  14. Yes, Alma was truly wicked. In fact, the Book of Mormon says he and those in his group were among “the very vilest of sinners.”
  15. In all the Standard Works, the most extreme example of an individual raked with the worst possible consciousness of his own shame and guilt before God for his sins is the prophet Alma’s own account of the pains of hell he experienced prior to coming unto Christ for a remission of his sins and complete redemption. One has to wonder what Alma did — or didn’t do — to make the total forgiveness and clearing of conscience he received continue on unabated without again being ensnared therein for the rest his life? It could be said Alma had a bout of scruples in its most overwhelming and debilitating form, yet he emerged from the experience of being a damned soul in hell with a healing of conscience as dramatic as it was eternally complete. 11 And the angel spake more things unto me, which were heard by my brethren, but I did not hear them; for when I heard the words—If thou wilt be destroyed of thyself, seek no more to destroy the church of God—I was struck with such great fear and amazement lest perhaps I should be destroyed, that I fell to the earth and I did hear no more. 12 But I was racked with eternal torment, for my soul was harrowed up to the greatest degree and racked with all my sins. 13 Yea, I did remember all my sins and iniquities, for which I was tormented with the pains of hell; yea, I saw that I had rebelled against my God, and that I had not kept his holy commandments. 14 Yea, and I had murdered many of his children, or rather led them away unto destruction; yea, and in fine so great had been my iniquities, that the very thought of coming into the presence of my God did rack my soul with inexpressible horror. 15 Oh, thought I, that I could be banished and become extinct both soul and body, that I might not be brought to stand in the presence of my God, to be judged of my deeds. 16 And now, for three days and for three nights was I racked, even with the pains of a damned soul. 17 And it came to pass that as I was thus racked with torment, while I was harrowed up by the memory of my many sins, behold, I remembered also to have heard my father prophesy unto the people concerning the coming of one Jesus Christ, a Son of God, to atone for the sins of the world. 18 Now, as my mind caught hold upon this thought, I cried within my heart: O Jesus, thou Son of God, have mercy on me, who am in the gall of bitterness, and am encircled about by the everlasting chains of death. 19 And now, behold, when I thought this, I could remember my pains no more; yea, I was harrowed up by the memory of my sins no more. 20 And oh, what joy, and what marvelous light I did behold; yea, my soul was filled with joy as exceeding as was my pain! 21 Yea, I say unto you, my son, that there could be nothing so exquisite and so bitter as were my pains. Yea, and again I say unto you, my son, that on the other hand, there can be nothing so exquisite and sweet as was my joy. 22 Yea, methought I saw, even as our father Lehi saw, God sitting upon his throne, surrounded with numberless concourses of angels, in the attitude of singing and praisingtheir God; yea, and my soul did long to be there. 23 But behold, my limbs did receive their strength again, and I stood upon my feet, and did manifest unto the people that I had been born of God. (Alma 36)
  16. Just for argument’s sake, what do you think should happen in the case of genuine modern-day Korihors? Do you think they should be allowed to continue on in their work of the destruction of the Church of Christ, without ever being called out to answer for their ungodly deeds, because it’s always wrong to “judge” such people? Or do you think there are some instances in which the condemnation of modern-day Korihors is justifiable if, in point of fact, they really are modern-day Korihors?
  17. It’s the stake presidency that makes the final decision, not the High Council. What do you think will take the place of Membership Councils? Or do you imagine a future Church where adulterers and armed robbers (for instance) will never have their membership status affected by any kind of serious transgression?
  18. Isn’t that the problem? Is in not true that in today’s.”woke” cancel culture yesterday’s Latter-Day mainstream professors are today’s dangerous fascist reactionaries? Meanwhile the Church leaders are trying oh-so-hard to skate right down the middle to prevent a schism between the traditional Constitutional Republic members and the “let’s embrace the ‘morality’ of the fallen world” members.
  19. The only problem is that the so-called “moderate” political center has been moving further and further left for over 100 years until today’s moderates are like the socialists of the Eugene Debs era. Give it another twenty years and the moderates will be like Eurocommunists, while those on the far left will be like hardcore Maoists. Oh wait! Those on today’s far left are already like hardcore Maoists. Forget what I said...
  20. A major problem for those who think the Latter-Day Saints are a mind control cult is that the New Testament Church, as clearly set forth in the Bible, meets all the exact same criteria for a so-called cult in every respect — IN SPADES! This leads to an obvious question: Do you also have a beef with the New Testament Church because it’s the foremost example of a “mind control cult?”
  21. So when a Facebook participant publishes apostate views for scores of fellow Facebook friends to readily see, the mere act of reading what that person openly has to say now constitutes ‘stalking?’ Baloney! And just in case you’ve forgotten, the Lord expects all priesthood holders, from the teachers to the high priests, to watch over the Church to assure pernicious wickedness is exposed to the proper authorities before it can take root and produce serious harm. In fact, allowing such evil to take root and spread without exposure is a serious dereliction of sacred duty.
  22. Whenever I’m asked to which church I belong, I put a great big smile on my face and then with tremendous enthusiasm and pride sing... “I belong to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I know who I am. I know God’s plan. I’ll follow him in faith!
  23. In the days of Amasa Lyman’s excommunication, the general consensus among the leaders and rank and file of the Church was that Lyman was suffering from some sort of psychological instability that caused him to go off the rails. Based on my investigation, there were two primary reasons why Joseph F Smith & company posthumously reinstated Lyman’s membership and his apostleship. The first is that it was generally believed he had lost his mind, and the second is that one of his daughters told Joseph F Smith of a dream/vision she had in which her father was in a state of abject misery, dressed in black, and begged her to tell the leaders that he had had enough and desperately wanted to be brought out of his state of spiritual exile. President Smith’s response was, “it looks like he’s suffered enough.”
  24. Richard R Lyman was excommunicated for adultery, not heresy.
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