According to the web site at lds.org, "For the first time, the pageant will portray the resurrected Christ visiting the Nephites
in ancient America".
Since they haven't used a Jesus actor from the time the pageant started 1967, why start now? And will the appearance
be in a vague geographical location (or like a Yucatan Peninsula setting)?
Thanks,
Jim
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Jesus Actor To Appear In The Manti Pageant For The First Time
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Posted 15 June 2012 - 02:48 PM
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Posted 15 June 2012 - 02:52 PM
theplains, on 15 June 2012 - 02:48 PM, said:
According to the web site at lds.org, "For the first time, the pageant will portray the resurrected Christ visiting the Nephites
in ancient America".
Since they haven't used a Jesus actor from the time the pageant started 1967, why start now? And will the appearance
be in a vague geographical location (or like a Yucatan Peninsula setting)?
Thanks,
Jim
in ancient America".
Since they haven't used a Jesus actor from the time the pageant started 1967, why start now? And will the appearance
be in a vague geographical location (or like a Yucatan Peninsula setting)?
Thanks,
Jim
It will appear in a vague geographical setting most likely. The Church takes no official position on Book of Mormon geography.
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Posted 15 June 2012 - 03:01 PM
I'm surprised to hear this is the first year they are doing it.
The last time I attended the pageant was over 10 years ago, I think. At that time, they presented the scene with the live depiction of Christ's appearance after the pageant was over. It was explained to the audience that the scene was being tried out, as it were, for addition to the pageant in future years' productions.
Again, I'm surprised to hear it has taken them this long to finally put it in.
As for why it wasn't done up to now, I can only surmise they were reticent about depicting such a sacred scene unless and until it could be done right.
The last time I attended the pageant was over 10 years ago, I think. At that time, they presented the scene with the live depiction of Christ's appearance after the pageant was over. It was explained to the audience that the scene was being tried out, as it were, for addition to the pageant in future years' productions.
Again, I'm surprised to hear it has taken them this long to finally put it in.
As for why it wasn't done up to now, I can only surmise they were reticent about depicting such a sacred scene unless and until it could be done right.
To whom it may concern: If you feel inclined to do anything for or in behalf of me after I die -- or even while I'm living, for that matter -- that is comparable in intent to Mormon vicarious baptisms or other ordinances for the dead, feel free. I would even regard it as a magnanimous gesture. I would appreciate the thought in any case.
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Posted 15 June 2012 - 03:07 PM
They desperately need to revamp the pageant. Well, parts. When I last saw it about four or five years ago, they had just put in some new scenes and modified a few others. Those were spectacular, moving, and beautiful. But the majority was pretty much the narration, music, and style from the 1960s/1970s. Music meant to be moving and epic back then sounds dark and ominous now, which makes some of the most important scenes seem... well.. dark and ominous.
Now, when I saw it five years ago, I seem to recall that Christ was portrayed then too. Maybe it was just a light? I don't think so though. It was a great scene.
Now, when I saw it five years ago, I seem to recall that Christ was portrayed then too. Maybe it was just a light? I don't think so though. It was a great scene.
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Posted 15 June 2012 - 03:09 PM
altersteve, on 15 June 2012 - 02:52 PM, said:
It will appear in a vague geographical setting most likely. The Church takes no official position on Book of Mormon geography.
Which explains the wigwams and teepees at 2:20 in this video...
(Irony intended)
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The Flood and the Tower of Babel, by Donald W. Parry, assistant professor of Hebrew at BYU, Ensign, Jan 1998, 35
In spite of the world's arguments against the historicity of the Flood, and despite the supposed lack of geologic evidence, we Latter-day Saints believe that Noah was an actual man, a prophet of God, who preached repentance and raised a voice of warning, built an ark, gathered his family and a host of animals onto the ark, and floated safely away as waters covered the entire earth. We are assured that these events actually occurred by the multiple testimonies of God's prophets.
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Posted 15 June 2012 - 03:29 PM
I am virtually positive that the Palmyra program portrays Christ in a Mesoamerican setting and uses an actor, at least that is my recollection.
edit: No, actually I am positive- check out the slide show
http://www.lds.org/c...morah-pageant#d
edit: No, actually I am positive- check out the slide show
http://www.lds.org/c...morah-pageant#d
Edited by mfbukowski, 15 June 2012 - 03:33 PM.
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Posted 15 June 2012 - 03:37 PM
mfbukowski, on 15 June 2012 - 03:29 PM, said:
I am virtually positive that the Palmyra program portrays Christ in a Mesoamerican setting and uses an actor, at least that is my recollection.
I can't say why the Church has felt it could be done in New York but not in Manti. Probably has to do with individual creators in far-flung locales. I think both productions kind of emerged spontaneously as local efforts before being taken under the wing of general Church administration.
Edited by Scott Lloyd, 15 June 2012 - 04:09 PM.
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Nobody gives you all the facts all at once, leastwise anti-Mormons and hostile critics. If selective focus or emphasis amounts to deceit, they are the worst of offenders.
If I detest anything as virulently as anti-Mormons obviously detest Mormonism, feel free to label me as "anti-" the thing I detest. I won't mind in the least.
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Posted 15 June 2012 - 05:20 PM
Thats not true! Manti HAS done it before, I SAW it! They showed an actor as Christ...coming down from the sky ( (looked like he was walking down some invisible stairs) to the ground where the Nephites awaited Him. it was portrayed quite nicely and was an emotional scene! This was in the late 1990's I think.
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Posted 15 June 2012 - 05:31 PM
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The last time I attended the pageant was over 10 years ago, I think. At that time, they presented the scene with the live depiction of Christ's appearance after the pageant was over. It was explained to the audience that the scene was being tried out, as it were, for addition to the pageant in future years' productions.
Again, I'm surprised to hear it has taken them this long to finally put it in.
Again, I'm surprised to hear it has taken them this long to finally put it in.
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Thats not true! Manti HAS done it before, I SAW it! They showed an actor as Christ...coming down from the sky ( (looked like he was walking down some invisible stairs) to the ground where the Nephites awaited Him. it was portrayed quite nicely and was an emotional scene! This was in the late 1990's I think.
This is obviously a prime example of the LDS Church covering up its history. More proof of our villainous, or at least disingenuous, ways!
Scott, I know that when you said you were surprised, you really mean that you feel you have been or are being lied to. We all feel your pain. Fortunately, there are places you can turn to for the unadultured truth, such as the RfM boards. You can come out the other side stronger!
GingerRed, I am afraid you just imagined yours. Memories like that are delusions of the religious mind.
Re-reading the article though, it is apparent the article says nothing about it being the first time. The "Article Highlight" sidebar, which may have been done by someone else, is what says it. Probably a mis-reading of the actual news release from someone who hasn't seen it.
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Posted 15 June 2012 - 07:26 PM
Manti is way behind the curve. The Oakland Temple Pageant had an actor portraying Jesus in the 80's. 
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Posted 15 June 2012 - 08:47 PM
They should really just ask Jesus to come personally so they can have the scene be more authentic.
Twisting God's work into my own hellish, slithering, mutatious...thing.
I support NCMO.
We enter this world naked, screaming, and covered in blood...the fun doesn't have to end there...
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Posted 16 June 2012 - 12:22 AM
Mathew, mufkowski, Ginger Red;
I was going to say the same thing. That when i watched the Pageant some years ago I could have sworn that there was an actor for Jesus. In fact, we went as a young adult group and we stayed at the house of the aunt and uncle of a memeber in our group and their kids worked in the pageant and talked about one time the actor for Jesus was kidnapped. I think as a prank of some sort on the pageant. I don't know the details for sue but i do remember those kids having a cool iguana as a pet.
I was going to say the same thing. That when i watched the Pageant some years ago I could have sworn that there was an actor for Jesus. In fact, we went as a young adult group and we stayed at the house of the aunt and uncle of a memeber in our group and their kids worked in the pageant and talked about one time the actor for Jesus was kidnapped. I think as a prank of some sort on the pageant. I don't know the details for sue but i do remember those kids having a cool iguana as a pet.
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The Nehor, on 15 June 2012 - 08:47 PM, said:
They should really just ask Jesus to come personally so they can have the scene be more authentic.
Perhas you can send him a telegram or something.
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Posted 16 June 2012 - 10:50 AM
Matthew J. Tandy, on 15 June 2012 - 05:31 PM, said:
Re-reading the article though, it is apparent the article says nothing about it being the first time. The "Article Highlight" sidebar, which may have been done by someone else, is what says it. Probably a mis-reading of the actual news release from someone who hasn't seen it.
To whom it may concern: If you feel inclined to do anything for or in behalf of me after I die -- or even while I'm living, for that matter -- that is comparable in intent to Mormon vicarious baptisms or other ordinances for the dead, feel free. I would even regard it as a magnanimous gesture. I would appreciate the thought in any case.
Nobody gives you all the facts all at once, leastwise anti-Mormons and hostile critics. If selective focus or emphasis amounts to deceit, they are the worst of offenders.
If I detest anything as virulently as anti-Mormons obviously detest Mormonism, feel free to label me as "anti-" the thing I detest. I won't mind in the least.
An author who undertakes to criticize publicly another's religious faith and practice has the obligation, in the first instance, to understand it.
... and the anti-Mormon saith unto them: I am no anti-Mormon, for there is none — and thus he whispereth in their ears.
Nobody gives you all the facts all at once, leastwise anti-Mormons and hostile critics. If selective focus or emphasis amounts to deceit, they are the worst of offenders.
If I detest anything as virulently as anti-Mormons obviously detest Mormonism, feel free to label me as "anti-" the thing I detest. I won't mind in the least.
An author who undertakes to criticize publicly another's religious faith and practice has the obligation, in the first instance, to understand it.
... and the anti-Mormon saith unto them: I am no anti-Mormon, for there is none — and thus he whispereth in their ears.
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Posted 16 June 2012 - 11:01 AM
Darren10, on 16 June 2012 - 12:22 AM, said:
Perhas you can send him a telegram or something.
Nah, I won't be there so there would be no point.
Twisting God's work into my own hellish, slithering, mutatious...thing.
I support NCMO.
We enter this world naked, screaming, and covered in blood...the fun doesn't have to end there...
I support NCMO.
We enter this world naked, screaming, and covered in blood...the fun doesn't have to end there...
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Posted 16 June 2012 - 11:39 AM
The Nehor, on 15 June 2012 - 08:47 PM, said:
They should really just ask Jesus to come personally so they can have the scene be more authentic.
Don't tell anyone.
There's actually no actors in any of these
The Boss just didn't ever want to go to Manti before because....
well, you know.....
Edited by mfbukowski, 16 June 2012 - 11:42 AM.
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Posted 16 June 2012 - 08:49 PM
I am holding out for the Adam-ondi-Ahman pageant. Should be AWESOME!!
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Posted 17 June 2012 - 03:28 AM
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Shhhhhhhh
Don't tell anyone.
There's actually no actors in any of these
The Boss just didn't ever want to go to Manti before because....
well, you know.....
Don't tell anyone.
There's actually no actors in any of these
The Boss just didn't ever want to go to Manti before because....
well, you know.....
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Posted 18 June 2012 - 11:24 AM
mfbukowski, on 16 June 2012 - 11:39 AM, said:
Shhhhhhhh
Don't tell anyone.
There's actually no actors in any of these
The Boss just didn't ever want to go to Manti before because....
well, you know.....
Don't tell anyone.
There's actually no actors in any of these
The Boss just didn't ever want to go to Manti before because....
well, you know.....
"Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."
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Posted 18 June 2012 - 11:31 AM
I just watched an interesting episode of the TV version of "This American Life". It was the story of an LDS artist in Utah who only uses men with real beards as his models for New Testament paintings. The problem is that the only people he can find with good old-school beards are homeless people and others on the fringe of society.
The guy he finds for Jesus has a lapsed-Mormon girlfriend who must now deal with dating "Jesus."
http://current.com/s...erican-life.htm
The guy he finds for Jesus has a lapsed-Mormon girlfriend who must now deal with dating "Jesus."
http://current.com/s...erican-life.htm
The LDS Stake Medium Council Blog
In spite of the world's arguments against the historicity of the Flood, and despite the supposed lack of geologic evidence, we Latter-day Saints believe that Noah was an actual man, a prophet of God, who preached repentance and raised a voice of warning, built an ark, gathered his family and a host of animals onto the ark, and floated safely away as waters covered the entire earth. We are assured that these events actually occurred by the multiple testimonies of God's prophets.
The Flood and the Tower of Babel, by Donald W. Parry, assistant professor of Hebrew at BYU, Ensign, Jan 1998, 35
In spite of the world's arguments against the historicity of the Flood, and despite the supposed lack of geologic evidence, we Latter-day Saints believe that Noah was an actual man, a prophet of God, who preached repentance and raised a voice of warning, built an ark, gathered his family and a host of animals onto the ark, and floated safely away as waters covered the entire earth. We are assured that these events actually occurred by the multiple testimonies of God's prophets.
The Flood and the Tower of Babel, by Donald W. Parry, assistant professor of Hebrew at BYU, Ensign, Jan 1998, 35
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