inquiringmind Posted June 4, 2012 Posted June 4, 2012 Is it true that a Temple was built in Independence Mo. (by the RLDS) in 1994?And did Brigham Young really say "...when we get into Jackson county to walk in the courts of that house, we can say we built this temple: for as the Lord lives we will build up Jackson county in this generation"?My source says this is from a conference on April 6, 1845.Is that true (and would that be what the church now calls a general conference)?
Log Posted June 4, 2012 Posted June 4, 2012 (edited) Source says it's Times and Seasons 6 (1 July 1845):956. Again, I cannot verify the source.Is your google not working tonight? Edited June 4, 2012 by Log
inquiringmind Posted June 4, 2012 Author Posted June 4, 2012 (edited) It was apparently reported in "Times and Seasons," but the source says that the words were spoken by Brigham "after Joseph's death, in a conference on April 6th, 1845."Would that be General Conference?And does the RLDS actually have a Temple there (I never read that before)? Edited June 4, 2012 by inquiringmind
Log Posted June 4, 2012 Posted June 4, 2012 (edited) I think they do have a temple there, according to Wikipedia. As to the conference, tough to say - the Church has, and has had, many conferences, not just General ones. Even if that was the day of General Conference.May well have been. Edited June 4, 2012 by Log
Sine Saw Square Posted June 4, 2012 Posted June 4, 2012 (edited) And does the RLDS actually have a Temple there (I never read that before)?LMGTFY...http://lmgtfy.com/?q...ndence missouriYup, top link. Looks like it does. Edited June 4, 2012 by Sine Saw Square 1
The Nehor Posted June 4, 2012 Posted June 4, 2012 Is it true that a Temple was built in Independence Mo. (by the RLDS) in 1994?Yes, it is not a temple in the modern LDS sense. They don't do the ordinances there we do or anything really like them. It has a meditative 'path of prayer' you can walk up and look at artwork and designs intended to convey spiritual things. They also have a museum with artifacts from the early Church. It has a large meeting room that can seat a lot of people. When I went through (almost a decade ago) they were holding interfaith conferences and the like in that room. At the time they offered tours and most of the tour groups were LDS not RLDS. They were very nice. I recommend it if you have time.There is also the the Church of Christ (Temple Lot) nearby that owns some more of the land of the Temple Lot. They are a pretty small denomination. You have good odds of one of their apostles being on site to show the grounds at any given time. They also have a gift shop. I picked up a reprint of the original Book of Commandments there. They believe Joseph fell and that governorship of the Church belonged to the Twelve as a whole so they have no president or First Presidency.There is also an LDS visitor's center there which is also fun to visit.
selek1 Posted June 4, 2012 Posted June 4, 2012 (edited) Is your google not working tonight?Google doesn't respond to trolling."Inquiring" is looking to stir the pot over the definition of "in this generation" and "failed" propecy.The aside about the RLDS "temple" is simply an attempt to distract us from the knife sliding in. Edited June 4, 2012 by selek1 2
Log Posted June 4, 2012 Posted June 4, 2012 (edited) Google doesn't respond to trolling."Inquiring" is looking to stir the pot over the definition of "in this generation".Serious conversation (and thought) need not apply.He's actually not stirring the pot. He's asking because it's important for him that prophecies, if genuine, be consistent - and if they're not consistent, the probability of their being genuine drops for him.He's not playing the audience, in other words. Edited June 4, 2012 by Log
selek1 Posted June 4, 2012 Posted June 4, 2012 He's actually not stirring the pot. He's asking because it's important for him that prophecies, if genuine, be consistent - and if they're not consistent, the probability of their being genuine drops for him.He's not playing the audience, in other words.I disagree.In fact, I am hard-pressed to name a single thread of his that didn't turn into an exercise in anti-Mormon rhetoric and "neener-neener" sneering within the first dozen posts.As a perpetual "investigator", Inquiring seems to perpetually focus on the trivial, the arcane, and the obscure rather than the fundamentals of the Gospel."Forest for the trees" and all that...
Log Posted June 4, 2012 Posted June 4, 2012 (edited) In fact, I am hard-pressed to name a single thread of his that didn't turn into an exercise in anti-Mormon rhetoric and "neener-neener" sneering within the first dozen posts.I am hard-pressed to name a single thread of his in which he was the one engaging in anti-Mormon rhetoric and "neener-neener" sneering. In fact, I have seen him defend the Church against such crap on the board-which-shall-not-be-named. Edited June 4, 2012 by Log 1
Storm Rider Posted June 4, 2012 Posted June 4, 2012 I also don't get the neener-neener kind of feeling from Inquiring, but I do get the desire to turn over every stone regardless of how insignificant it is. (S)he is certainly non-committal investigator. There is more wisdom that we can guess in an individual who can focus on the fundamentals of the gospel of Jesus Christ rather than to go looking for the mysteries, trivia, and non-salvific knowledge that exists out there. We all go at our own pace, but eventually we either decide to put our shoulder to the wheel or we walk off into other paths. We will either be hot or cold; if lukewarm, well that is not a good place to be for the Lord tends to spew us out at that point.
Scott Lloyd Posted June 4, 2012 Posted June 4, 2012 (edited) The Community of Christ (formerly RLDS Church) does have a temple in Independence. I've been inside of it on two occasionsBut it's not a temple such as we (Church of Jesus Christ) have. It is more of an administration building.For example, the Community of Christ archives are located therein. While there, I was shown the printer's manuscript for the Book of Mormon.The other occasion when I was inside was a couple of years ago. It was a devotional held by the Mormon History Association inside the temple sanctuary in connection with its conference, which was in Independence/Kansas City that year. Edited June 4, 2012 by Scott Lloyd
TAO Posted June 4, 2012 Posted June 4, 2012 Guys, inquiringmind isn't asking a malicious question; it's a genuine one.
ERMD Posted June 5, 2012 Posted June 5, 2012 The CoC temple makes me think of Dr. Seuss meet Frank Lloyd Wright.Unique structure.
David T Posted June 5, 2012 Posted June 5, 2012 The CoC temple makes me think of Dr. Seuss meet Frank Lloyd Wright.Unique structure.I think it's beautiful.
Stargazer Posted June 5, 2012 Posted June 5, 2012 I think it's very odd-looking.But then, I'm in a not-very-good mood tonight.
CASteinman Posted June 5, 2012 Posted June 5, 2012 I also don't get the neener-neener kind of feeling from Inquiring, but I do get the desire to turn over every stone regardless of how insignificant it is. (S)he is certainly non-committal investigator. There is more wisdom that we can guess in an individual who can focus on the fundamentals of the gospel of Jesus Christ rather than to go looking for the mysteries, trivia, and non-salvific knowledge that exists out there.We all go at our own pace, but eventually we either decide to put our shoulder to the wheel or we walk off into other paths. We will either be hot or cold; if lukewarm, well that is not a good place to be for the Lord tends to spew us out at that point.You make a good point. In a way, some kinds of investigation would be like observing that Jesus sweat or that He had a hangnail or a headache or even that He got upset and in observing that, deciding that He was not perfect and could not be the Son of God.Its a teensy bit like how I was looking for answers before I joined the Church. I imagined that I needed some sort of Spiritual Telescope to "see" God, not realizing that God speaks more intimately than that.
Mike Reed Posted June 5, 2012 Posted June 5, 2012 It is beautiful. Golden spiral, can't get any more divine than that. It does have one of those bloodthirsty savage crosses on it, though. Doh!
Avatar4321 Posted June 5, 2012 Posted June 5, 2012 Is it true that a Temple was built in Independence Mo. (by the RLDS) in 1994?And did Brigham Young really say "...when we get into Jackson county to walk in the courts of that house, we can say we built this temple: for as the Lord lives we will build up Jackson county in this generation"?My source says this is from a conference on April 6, 1845.Is that true (and would that be what the church now calls a general conference)?Yes the Community of Christ built a Temple.And yes that source of Brigham's was likely Conference. I'd like to see the full quote in context though. Because just the portion I see seems to indicate that "this generation" was refering to the generation we returned to Independence as a body.
volgadon Posted June 5, 2012 Posted June 5, 2012 It is one of those buildings I'd have to see for myself before deciding if it is beautiful or not.
HiJolly Posted June 5, 2012 Posted June 5, 2012 Like Scott, I have been there a couple of times. It is truly beautiful via its nautilus seashell architecture, though *IMO* it is missing some of the spiritual 'gravitas' that I feel in LDS temples. Probably just me. HJ
David T Posted June 5, 2012 Posted June 5, 2012 IMHO, design wise, it beats the pants off of this thing: 1
blackstrap Posted June 5, 2012 Posted June 5, 2012 thumbtack...screw...... 6 of one , half a dozen of the other.
BookofMormonLuvr Posted June 5, 2012 Posted June 5, 2012 The Community of Christ has built, what they refer to as, a "Temple". Those of us in traditional RLDS Branches do not believe it is the Temple of the LORD to be built in New Jerusalem, but may, in fact, be a sign that portends calamaties coming upon this nation. The following poem was received by Violet Jones in 1933..."Granite needle to the sky, Earthquake, many people die.Solid structures break like glass, Prophecies have come to pass.End approaching, few take heed, Love of money, lust and greed.War clouds threaten poison gas, Prophesies have come to pass.Chaos, ruin in all lands, Solid structures? Shifting sands.People suffering all en-masse, Prophecies have come to pass.Invasion-wings of steel overhead, Panic, devastation spread.Sky is darkened--Sun overcast, Prophecies will come to pass.Dismal picture, but take heart, Not completed--just a part.Redemption is approaching fast, Prophecies MUST come to pass."
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