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[inquiringmind]

Is it true that a Temple was built in Independence Mo. (by the RLDS) in 1994?

And did Brigham Young really say "...when we get into Jackson county to walk in the courts of that house, we can say we built this temple: for as the Lord lives we will build up Jackson county in this generation"?

My source says this is from a conference on April 6, 1845.

Is that true (and would that be what the church now calls a general conference)?

[Log]

Source says it's Times and Seasons 6 (1 July 1845):956.  Again, I cannot verify the source.

Is your google not working tonight?

Edited by Log, 03 June 2012 - 11:15 PM.

[inquiringmind]

It was apparently reported in "Times and Seasons," but the source says that the words were spoken by Brigham "after Joseph's death, in a conference on April 6th, 1845."

Would that be General Conference?

And does the RLDS actually have a Temple there (I never read that before)?

Edited by inquiringmind, 03 June 2012 - 11:26 PM.

[Log]

I think they do have a temple there, according to Wikipedia.  As to the conference, tough to say - the Church has, and has had, many conferences, not just General ones.  Even if that was the day of General Conference.

May well have been.

Edited by Log, 04 June 2012 - 01:04 AM.

[Sine Saw Square]

inquiringmind, on 03 June 2012 - 11:23 PM, said:

And does the RLDS actually have a Temple there (I never read that before)?

LMGTFY...
http://lmgtfy.com/?q...ndence missouri

Yup, top link. Looks like it does.

Edited by Sine Saw Square, 03 June 2012 - 11:32 PM.

[The Nehor]

inquiringmind, on 03 June 2012 - 11:06 PM, said:

Is it true that a Temple was built in Independence Mo. (by the RLDS) in 1994?

Yes, it is not a temple in the modern LDS sense. They don't do the ordinances there we do or anything really like them. It has a meditative 'path of prayer' you can walk up and look at artwork and designs intended to convey spiritual things. They also have a museum with artifacts from the early Church. It has a large meeting room that can seat a lot of people. When I went through (almost a decade ago) they were holding interfaith conferences and the like in that room. At the time they offered tours and most of the tour groups were LDS not RLDS. They were very nice. I recommend it if you have time.

There is also the the Church of Christ (Temple Lot) nearby that owns some more of the land of the Temple Lot. They are a pretty small denomination. You have good odds of one of their apostles being on site to show the grounds at any given time. They also have a gift shop. I picked up a reprint of the original Book of Commandments there. They believe Joseph fell and that governorship of the Church belonged to the Twelve as a whole so they have no president or First Presidency.

There is also an LDS visitor's center there which is also fun to visit.

[selek1]

Log, on 03 June 2012 - 11:15 PM, said:

Is your google not working tonight?

Google doesn't respond to trolling.

"Inquiring" is looking to stir the pot over the definition of "in this generation" and "failed" propecy.

The aside about the RLDS "temple" is simply an attempt to distract us from the knife sliding in.

Edited by selek1, 04 June 2012 - 12:49 AM.

[Log]

selek1, on 04 June 2012 - 12:47 AM, said:

Google doesn't respond to trolling.

"Inquiring" is looking to stir the pot over the definition of "in this generation".

Serious conversation (and thought) need not apply.

He's actually not stirring the pot.  He's asking because it's important for him that prophecies, if genuine, be consistent - and if they're not consistent, the probability of their being genuine drops for him.

He's not playing the audience, in other words.

Edited by Log, 04 June 2012 - 12:49 AM.

[selek1]

Log, on 04 June 2012 - 12:48 AM, said:

He's actually not stirring the pot.  He's asking because it's important for him that prophecies, if genuine, be consistent - and if they're not consistent, the probability of their being genuine drops for him.

He's not playing the audience, in other words.

I disagree.

In fact, I am hard-pressed to name a single thread of his that didn't turn into an exercise in anti-Mormon rhetoric and "neener-neener" sneering within the first dozen posts.

As a perpetual "investigator", Inquiring seems to perpetually focus on the trivial, the arcane, and the obscure rather than the fundamentals of the Gospel.

"Forest for the trees" and all that...

[Log]

selek1, on 04 June 2012 - 12:52 AM, said:

In fact, I am hard-pressed to name a single thread of his that didn't turn into an exercise in anti-Mormon rhetoric and "neener-neener" sneering within the first dozen posts.

I am hard-pressed to name a single thread of his in which he was the one engaging in anti-Mormon rhetoric and "neener-neener" sneering.  In fact, I have seen him defend the Church against such crap on the board-which-shall-not-be-named.

Edited by Log, 04 June 2012 - 12:59 AM.

[Storm Rider]

I also don't get the neener-neener kind of feeling from Inquiring, but I do get the desire to turn over every stone regardless of how insignificant it is.  (S)he is certainly non-committal investigator.  There is more wisdom that we can guess in an individual who can focus on the fundamentals of the gospel of Jesus Christ rather than to go looking for the mysteries, trivia, and non-salvific knowledge that exists out there.

We all go at our own pace, but eventually we either decide to put our shoulder to the wheel or we walk off into other paths.  We will either be hot or cold; if lukewarm, well that is not a good place to be for the Lord tends to spew us out at that point.

[Scott Lloyd]

The Community of Christ (formerly RLDS Church) does have a temple in Independence. I've been inside of it on two occasions

But it's not a temple such as we (Church of Jesus Christ) have. It is more of an administration building.

For example, the Community of Christ archives are located therein. While there, I was shown the printer's manuscript for the Book of Mormon.

The other occasion when I was inside was a couple of years ago. It was a devotional held by the Mormon History Association inside the temple sanctuary in connection with its conference, which was in Independence/Kansas City that year.

Edited by Scott Lloyd, 04 June 2012 - 01:03 PM.

[TAO]

Guys, inquiringmind isn't asking a malicious question; it's a genuine one.

[ERMD]

The CoC temple makes me think of Dr. Seuss meet Frank Lloyd Wright.

Unique structure.

[David T]

ERMD, on 04 June 2012 - 05:11 PM, said:

The CoC temple makes me think of Dr. Seuss meet Frank Lloyd Wright.

Unique structure.

I think it's beautiful.

[Stargazer]

I think it's very odd-looking.

But then, I'm in a not-very-good mood tonight.

[CASteinman]

Storm Rider, on 04 June 2012 - 01:38 AM, said:

I also don't get the neener-neener kind of feeling from Inquiring, but I do get the desire to turn over every stone regardless of how insignificant it is.  (S)he is certainly non-committal investigator.  There is more wisdom that we can guess in an individual who can focus on the fundamentals of the gospel of Jesus Christ rather than to go looking for the mysteries, trivia, and non-salvific knowledge that exists out there.

We all go at our own pace, but eventually we either decide to put our shoulder to the wheel or we walk off into other paths.  We will either be hot or cold; if lukewarm, well that is not a good place to be for the Lord tends to spew us out at that point.

You make a good point.  In a way, some kinds of investigation would be like observing that Jesus sweat or that He had a hangnail or a headache or even that He got upset and in observing that, deciding that He was not perfect and could not be the Son of God.

Its a teensy bit like how I was looking for answers before I joined the Church.  I imagined that I needed some sort of Spiritual Telescope to "see" God, not realizing that God speaks more intimately than that.

[Mike Reed]

It is beautiful.  Golden spiral, can't get any more divine than that.  It does have one of those bloodthirsty savage crosses on it, though. Doh!

[Avatar4321]

inquiringmind, on 03 June 2012 - 11:06 PM, said:

Is it true that a Temple was built in Independence Mo. (by the RLDS) in 1994?

And did Brigham Young really say "...when we get into Jackson county to walk in the courts of that house, we can say we built this temple: for as the Lord lives we will build up Jackson county in this generation"?

My source says this is from a conference on April 6, 1845.

Is that true (and would that be what the church now calls a general conference)?

Yes the Community of Christ built a Temple.

And yes that source of Brigham's was likely Conference. I'd like to see the full quote in context though. Because just the portion I see seems to indicate that "this generation" was refering to the generation we returned to Independence as a body.

[volgadon]

It is one of those buildings I'd have to see for myself before deciding if it is beautiful or not.