smac97 Posted November 3, 2024 Posted November 3, 2024 We've had a lot of discussions about Tim Ballard. A sampling: Vice Article on Tim Ballard Tim Ballard Defends Himself Tim Ballard Defends Himself, Part 2 Update on Elder Ballard It looks like Tim Ballard has now filed two lawsuits: First Case: Case No. 240405154 - Complaint Plaintiff: Tim Ballard Defendants: Sashaleigha Hightower Mary Hall Celeste Borys Krista Kacey Kira Lynch Bree Righter Legal Claims: Defamation (as to Ms. Borys) Violation of Computer Fraud and Abuse Act against Ms. Borys Violation of Utah Computer Abuse and Data Recovery Act against Ms. Borys Invasion of Privacy against Ms. Borys Defamation against Ms. Lynch Defamation against Ms. Righter Defamation against Ms. Hightower Defamation against Ms. Kacey It's a long document, so I won't excerpt it. News Coverage: Fox 13: Tim Ballard files lawsuits against 7 of his female accusers Second Case: Case No. 240100274 - Complaint Plaintiff: Tim Ballard Defendant: Amy Morgan Davis Legal Claims: Defamation Excerpts: Quote Mr. Ballard reluctantly brings this suit after having waited for nearly a full year for Ms. Davis to withdraw her false claims against Mr. Ballard and come forward with the truth. Rather than doing so, Ms. Davis doubled down recently by giving an interview to the New York Times, and other media outlets, falsely stating that she was sexually assaulted by Mr. Ballard. The false claims have to stop, and this lawsuit is intended to begin putting a stop to them. It is likely that Mr. Ballard will soon be filing similar lawsuits against other false accusers. OUR conducted a formal training starting October 14, 2021 and continuing throughout that weekend. Ms. Davis was invited to attend, at OUR’s expense, and agreed to do so. She was under consideration as a possible undercover operator for OUR. ... On or about the morning of October 16, 2021, Mr. Ballard stopped by the room of Ms. Davis to ask why she did not show up for training the prior day, and whether she intended to attend going forward. Ms. Davis had no good explanation for her lack of attendance, other than to claim she had been practicing on her own, and she spontaneously began “demonstrating” her purported skills for Mr. Ballard. Her “demonstration” soon became obviously personal, and as soon as Mr. Ballard understood Ms. Davis was attempting to seduce him, he rejected the attempt, separated from Ms. Davis and went down to the training conference room. Upon his arrival at the training conference room, Mr. Ballard reported the incident to an OUR staff member. Mr. Ballard then took a seat at the training, and within approximately one hour Ms. Davis showed up to the training, and immediately approached Mr. Ballard. She whispered into Mr. Ballard’s ear, “come to my hotel room tonight,” and walked away. A witness saw Mr. Ballard react to the whisper, and Mr. Ballard told him what was said. Mr. Ballard then reported the situation to two other staff members, and asked that Ms. Davis be removed from the training, as her behavior disqualified her for further consideration. ... Based on more recent statements made publicly by Ms. Davis, she now falsely claims there was no actual training by OUR at that time. Evidence is abundant to show that OUR indeed conducted training with many participants that weekend. Ms. Davis was well aware that there was real training being conducted, but failed to attend despite taking full advantage of the accommodations paid for her by OUR. She also falsely claims now that she was sexually assaulted by Mr. Ballard during the time of the training. Evidence is abundant to show this claim is also false. ... Although she now publicly claims she was assaulted by Mr. Ballard during the October 2021 training, and that Mr. Ballard supposedly made her feel “very uncomfortable,” her contemporaneous November 2021 and later texts tell a much different story. In her November 2021 text messages, she stated, among other things: a. “I’m sad we can’t train together.” b. “I felt really comfortable with you.” c. “Hopefully the decision wasn’t because of me.” d. “I really respect and admire you and loved our connection.” e. “I trust you and felt like we were a good fit.” f. “. . . maybe we can talk in person?” g. “I’m sad I can’t see you.” h. “Maybe your eyes cast a spell on me lol” i. “Baby blues” ... There are other written communications and third party witnesses that confirm Ms. Davis was removed from the training due to her highly inappropriate conduct towards Mr. Ballard. Ms. Davis was never invited back again, and was no longer considered a potential operator for OUR. Mr. Ballard and OUR treated Ms. Davis kindly and gently when removing her from the event, and did not escalate things by aggressively telling her she was being rejected or why. Nonetheless, she was indeed rejected from the program for such reasons, and there are multiple forms of evidence to confirm that. Seven months after the training event, in June and July, 2022, Ms. Davis again reached out to Mr. Ballard, asking him to help her get hired to perform for the Freedom Festival, and sharing links with him of performances she had recorded and which were available for viewing on social media. She added, “Just keep me in mind if you need anything.” At some point in the summer or fall of 2023, on information and belief, Ms. Davis, in collusion with others, secretly stated to leaders of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and to members of the media that Mr. Ballard had sexually assaulted her. Plaintiff is not currently able to verify this allegation as the statements were made anonymously, so these facts will need to be determined through discovery. ... Ms. Davis remained anonymous when she filed an amended complaint in November 2023, and a further amended complaint in April 2024. Recently, however, she revealed her identity and gave an interview to the New York Times, and potentially other media outlets. In the New York Times article, Ms. Davis is reported to have claimed Mr. Ballard “made escalating sexual advances that included caressing her body with his hands.” The New York Times article was picked up by other media outlets, including People Magazine, which reported with the headline “Former Miss Utah and Other Women Accuse Prominent Human Trafficking Advocate of Harassment and Abuse: Reports,” and noted Ms. Davis sued Mr. Ballard “for sexual assault.” News Coverage: Fox 13: Tim Ballard sues Miss Utah 2004, both sides release text messages News Nation Now: OUR founder Tim Ballard countersues alleged sexual assault victim for defamation Thanks, -Smac 2
supersc Posted November 3, 2024 Posted November 3, 2024 Very interesting. Discovery phase, if reached, could be quite interesting.
teddyaware Posted November 3, 2024 Posted November 3, 2024 (edited) 2 hours ago, smac97 said: We've had a lot of discussions about Tim Ballard. A sampling: Vice Article on Tim Ballard Tim Ballard Defends Himself Tim Ballard Defends Himself, Part 2 Update on Elder Ballard It looks like Tim Ballard has now filed two lawsuits: First Case: Case No. 240405154 - Complaint Plaintiff: Tim Ballard Defendants: Sashaleigha Hightower Mary Hall Celeste Borys Krista Kacey Kira Lynch Bree Righter Legal Claims: Defamation (as to Ms. Borys) Violation of Computer Fraud and Abuse Act against Ms. Borys Violation of Utah Computer Abuse and Data Recovery Act against Ms. Borys Invasion of Privacy against Ms. Borys Defamation against Ms. Lynch Defamation against Ms. Righter Defamation against Ms. Hightower Defamation against Ms. Kacey It's a long document, so I won't excerpt it. News Coverage: Fox 13: Tim Ballard files lawsuits against 7 of his female accusers Second Case: Case No. 240100274 - Complaint Plaintiff: Tim Ballard Defendant: Amy Morgan Davis Legal Claims: Defamation Excerpts: News Coverage: Fox 13: Tim Ballard sues Miss Utah 2004, both sides release text messages News Nation Now: OUR founder Tim Ballard countersues alleged sexual assault victim for defamation Thanks, -Smac Based on all I’ve read and viewed on this subject, I believe it’s not likely that any of Ballard’s accusers will prevail against him in court, but because the accusations they will make against him at trial will be so sensational and salacious his reputation will remain forever tarnished for the remainder of his days. In fact, even if Ballard prevails against his accuser in this lawsuit, as well as in similar future lawsuits against his other accusers, his reputation as a man will still remain in tatters permanently because there are a great many people who’ve already judged him to be guilty as charged, arriving at this conclusion before ever giving both sides of the story a fair hearing. Why? Because for a variety of reasons these people want to believe Ballard is guilty. The very thought of his guilt is like a delectable morsel to their minds. This pretrial guilt in the court of public opinion will stick to Ballard like super glue, even if the evidence presented at trial fully vindicates him in the end. The confirmation bias of Ballard’s detractors is far too great to surmount, as any consideration of fair-mindedness goes out the window. Personally, I’m keeping an open mind as to Ballard’s guilt or innocence because there are now far too many examples of individuals who’ve turned out to be wrongly convicted in courts of law because the police and the prosectors were so sure these wrongfully convicted souls were “obviously” as guilty as sin. Edited November 3, 2024 by teddyaware 1
The Nehor Posted November 3, 2024 Posted November 3, 2024 51 minutes ago, teddyaware said: Based on all I’ve read and viewed on this subject, I believe it’s not likely that any of Ballard’s accusers will prevail against him in court, but because the accusations they will make against him at trial will be so sensational and salacious his reputation will remain forever tarnished for the remainder of his days. In fact, even if Ballard prevails against his accuser in this lawsuit, as well as in similar future lawsuits against his other accusers, his reputation as a man will still remain in tatters permanently because there are a great many people who’ve already judged him to be guilty as charged, arriving at this conclusion before ever giving both sides of the story a fair hearing. Why? Because for a variety of reasons these people want to believe Ballard is guilty. The very thought of his guilt is like a delectable morsel to their minds. This pretrial guilt in the court of public opinion will stick to Ballard like super glue, even if the evidence presented at trial fully vindicates him in the end. The confirmation bias of Ballard’s detractors is far too great to surmount, as any consideration of fair-mindedness goes out the window. Personally, I’m keeping an open mind as to Ballard’s guilt or innocence because there are now far too many examples of individuals who’ve turned out to be wrongly convicted in courts of law because the police and the prosectors were so sure these wrongfully convicted souls were “obviously” as guilty as sin. Or you could read his text messages that have been released and just realize he is a huge creep. That is easier. 1
Calm Posted November 3, 2024 Posted November 3, 2024 23 minutes ago, The Nehor said: Or you could read his text messages that have been released and just realize he is a huge creep. That is easier. Do we actually know those texts are from a phone he owns? Because if so, yeah creep.
Pyreaux Posted November 3, 2024 Posted November 3, 2024 I've been waiting for this. Its bold to claim they came on to him. I'm just wondering if he just convinced friends to be "witnesses", to turn this into, at best, a "he said, she said" if there is no clear evidence. 1
Calm Posted November 3, 2024 Posted November 3, 2024 1 hour ago, Pyreaux said: I've been waiting for this. It’s bold to claim they came on to him. I'm just wondering if he just convinced friends to be "witnesses", to turn this into, at best, a "he said, she said" if there is no clear evidence. It is not that bold if he is at fault. It is a commonplace assertion of many rapists of even children they abused. And if it’s the truth, it’s not bold either. The question is why he waited so long to come forward with his alleged witnesses if it is the truth. If they can prove the texts are his, there is clear evidence he was having affairs imo. Might not be able to prove assault, but his credibility takes a big hit since he is denying that. My guess is they either can’t prove the texts are his or his fans will be so committed to him they will assume a conspiracy of some sorts that ‘forged’ the texts.
Tacenda Posted November 3, 2024 Posted November 3, 2024 12 hours ago, smac97 said: We've had a lot of discussions about Tim Ballard. A sampling: Vice Article on Tim Ballard Tim Ballard Defends Himself Tim Ballard Defends Himself, Part 2 Update on Elder Ballard It looks like Tim Ballard has now filed two lawsuits: First Case: Case No. 240405154 - Complaint Plaintiff: Tim Ballard Defendants: Sashaleigha Hightower Mary Hall Celeste Borys Krista Kacey Kira Lynch Bree Righter Legal Claims: Defamation (as to Ms. Borys) Violation of Computer Fraud and Abuse Act against Ms. Borys Violation of Utah Computer Abuse and Data Recovery Act against Ms. Borys Invasion of Privacy against Ms. Borys Defamation against Ms. Lynch Defamation against Ms. Righter Defamation against Ms. Hightower Defamation against Ms. Kacey It's a long document, so I won't excerpt it. News Coverage: Fox 13: Tim Ballard files lawsuits against 7 of his female accusers Second Case: Case No. 240100274 - Complaint Plaintiff: Tim Ballard Defendant: Amy Morgan Davis Legal Claims: Defamation Excerpts: News Coverage: Fox 13: Tim Ballard sues Miss Utah 2004, both sides release text messages News Nation Now: OUR founder Tim Ballard countersues alleged sexual assault victim for defamation Thanks, -Smac Tim Ballard reminds me of the former US president. Here's an article about a Miss USA contestant from Utah's experience. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/miss-usa-contestant-details-encounters-trump-n665521?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR0Llujo3sqUiztR_x38gx1pHXDSW0p5ZCr4NAIpI9zw7tW2xbPS1g9NzcQ_aem_6MMYRQXAWeg0Uzcj5w5U6A 1
Pyreaux Posted November 3, 2024 Posted November 3, 2024 3 hours ago, Calm said: It is not that bold if he is at fault. It is a commonplace assertion of many rapists of even children they abused. And if it’s the truth, it’s not bold either. The question is why he waited so long to come forward with his alleged witnesses if it is the truth. If they can prove the texts are his, there is clear evidence he was having affairs imo. Might not be able to prove assault, but his credibility takes a big hit since he is denying that. My guess is they either can’t prove the texts are his or his fans will be so committed to him they will assume a conspiracy of some sorts that ‘forged’ the texts. I don't mean bold to mean brave. There are bold liars, etc. The negative side of bold is gall. It takes some real gall if he's lying.
Tacenda Posted November 3, 2024 Posted November 3, 2024 @smac97I'm sorry if this or my other post derails, just curious what you have to say about this. I barely just stalked Tim Ballard's posts on his profile on FB and scrolled down to see this video of Tim and his wife saying that Elder Ballard had nothing to do with the announcement against Tim Ballard for immorality etc. from the church. https://fb.watch/vDyqs4dw1t/
Tacenda Posted November 3, 2024 Posted November 3, 2024 (edited) @smac97I'm sorry if this or my other post derails, just curious what you have to say about this, maybe this has already been spoken of and I'm late to the party. I barely just stalked Tim Ballard's posts on his profile on FB and scrolled down to see this video of Tim and his wife saying that Elder Ballard had nothing to do with the church's denouncement of Tim Ballard. It shows Tim's wife saying she called Elder Ballard the next day and he told her he didn't know anything about it. https://fb.watch/vDyqs4dw1t/ Edited November 3, 2024 by Tacenda
Popular Post Calm Posted November 3, 2024 Popular Post Posted November 3, 2024 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Tacenda said: It shows Tim's wife saying she called Elder Ballard the next day and he told her he didn't know anything about it. If so, why didn’t Elder Ballard speak up when someone he cared deeply about got his life ruined when someone used Elder Ballard to do it? This makes Elder Ballard rather cowardly and despicable. They are slandering a man who can’t defend himself. It also makes all the other church leaders the same if they are going along with the lie. If the accusation is saying the PR department went rogue, then it is claiming the church leaders are puppets of the PR department because no one said a thing in defense of TB. It is just not believable. Edited November 3, 2024 by Calm 5
Popular Post The Nehor Posted November 4, 2024 Popular Post Posted November 4, 2024 On 11/3/2024 at 1:37 PM, Tacenda said: @smac97I'm sorry if this or my other post derails, just curious what you have to say about this. I barely just stalked Tim Ballard's posts on his profile on FB and scrolled down to see this video of Tim and his wife saying that Elder Ballard had nothing to do with the announcement against Tim Ballard for immorality etc. from the church. https://fb.watch/vDyqs4dw1t/ Ah yes, the whole rogue PR department of the Church that puts out statements that apostles don’t agree with. We have been down this road before with people trying to weasel word around public church announcements. I didn’t believe it then and I don’t believe it now. 5
ZealouslyStriving Posted November 8, 2024 Posted November 8, 2024 On 11/3/2024 at 8:09 AM, Tacenda said: Tim Ballard reminds me of the former US president Should be updated to President-elect. Just sayin'
Tacenda Posted November 8, 2024 Posted November 8, 2024 1 minute ago, ZealouslyStriving said: Should be updated to President-elect. Just sayin' Yes, very true. And the former runner up and current VP and President, made sure to make it a peaceful transfer of power!
ZealouslyStriving Posted November 8, 2024 Posted November 8, 2024 6 minutes ago, Tacenda said: Yes, very true. And the former runner up and current VP and President, made sure to make it a peaceful transfer of power! Power hasn't been transferred yet- we'll see how the next 2 months go.
Tacenda Posted November 8, 2024 Posted November 8, 2024 1 hour ago, ZealouslyStriving said: Power hasn't been transferred yet- we'll see how the next 2 months go. True
The Nehor Posted November 8, 2024 Posted November 8, 2024 2 hours ago, ZealouslyStriving said: Should be updated to President-elect. Just sayin' Expecting an edit on this is pretty silly. Or is this just a pretext for gloating? 1
ZealouslyStriving Posted November 8, 2024 Posted November 8, 2024 3 hours ago, The Nehor said: Expecting an edit on this is pretty silly. Or is this just a pretext for gloating? Or... It was just having a little fun. Why so serious?
The Nehor Posted November 8, 2024 Posted November 8, 2024 1 hour ago, ZealouslyStriving said: Or... It was just having a little fun. Why so serious? I have friends already getting harassed by emboldened bigots who are convinced that they can get away with anything now. One homophobic incident and two racist ones. This happened before back in 2016 and it is not isolated to my social circles. I have friends who are planning to flee the state and are trying to figure out how to afford it. I have a friend in Ukraine and I and some of his other friends are trying to figure out a way to get him out of the country now that the conflict is likely going to be lost. That and many of the people in my social orbit are just scared and I am trying to inject a bit of hope. Things just seem serious at the moment. 1
Calm Posted November 8, 2024 Posted November 8, 2024 41 minutes ago, The Nehor said: I have friends already getting harassed by emboldened bigots who are convinced that they can get away with anything now. One homophobic incident and two racist ones. This happened before back in 2016 and it is not isolated to my social circles. I have friends who are planning to flee the state and are trying to figure out how to afford it. I have a friend in Ukraine and I and some of his other friends are trying to figure out a way to get him out of the country now that the conflict is likely going to be lost. That and many of the people in my social orbit are just scared and I am trying to inject a bit of hope. Things just seem serious at the moment. You are in Texas, right?
The Nehor Posted November 8, 2024 Posted November 8, 2024 32 minutes ago, Calm said: You are in Texas, right? Yep, many of my transgender friends want to leave. Also have a friend with a queer kid who doesn’t want his son going to school here and I don’t blame him at all. 1
Calm Posted November 8, 2024 Posted November 8, 2024 (edited) 13 minutes ago, The Nehor said: Yep, many of my transgender friends want to leave. Also have a friend with a queer kid who doesn’t want his son going to school here and I don’t blame him at all. Where do they consider a safer place to go? Besides Canada that is…. Did a shallow dive and it does seem Texas is particularly problematic, though some were recommending Austin and Dallas. Glad to see many in the community have gotten together to make relocating when needed easier. Edited November 8, 2024 by Calm
ZealouslyStriving Posted November 8, 2024 Posted November 8, 2024 6 hours ago, The Nehor said: I have friends already getting harassed by emboldened bigots who are convinced that they can get away with anything now. One homophobic incident and two racist ones. This happened before back in 2016 and it is not isolated to my social circles. I have friends who are planning to flee the state and are trying to figure out how to afford it. I have a friend in Ukraine and I and some of his other friends are trying to figure out a way to get him out of the country now that the conflict is likely going to be lost. That and many of the people in my social orbit are just scared and I am trying to inject a bit of hope. Things just seem serious at the moment. Bigots are going to find out there is still rule of law. Trump isn't the most endearing guy but he isn't Hitler either. Everyone (on both sides) needs to take a chill pill. 1
Dario_M Posted November 8, 2024 Posted November 8, 2024 15 minutes ago, ZealouslyStriving said: Bigots are going to find out there is still rule of law. Trump isn't the most endearing guy but he isn't Hitler either. Everyone (on both sides) needs to take a chill pill. The topic can get clossed if you post stuff about politics.
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