Lost City Off New Orleans Coast and a Great Pyramid

[Pyreaux]

George Gelé discovered a granite city predating the ancient Inca, Maya and Aztec and there is a pyramid in the granite city he named “Crescentis”. It seems as though somebody floated a billion stones down the Mississippi River and assembled them outside what would later become New Orleans.

This was in 2022,

https://www.wwltv.com/article/news/local/st-bernard/archeologist-may-have-found-an-ancient-city-off-the-coast-of-st-bernard/289-5fe907e3-5439-46af-89b9-ae9e6dc35918

This was in 2023,

https://original.newsbreak.com/@bizarre-boulevard-1725706/3102012023619-lost-civilization-in-the-gulf-louisiana-s-hidden-ancient-city-and-pyramid

But its the first I heard about it. I'm always late to the party on news.

 

Edited February 4 by Pyreaux

[longview]

Could it be the antediluvian city located in the "Land of Nod" ?

[CV75]

mistake, wrong thread...

Edited February 5 by CV75

[The Nehor]

How does he know it is 12,000 years old? How in the world does he have enough data to suggest that it is based on Egyptian designs? Energy field? What does that even mean? What kind of energy? What is the pyramid made of? How does he know it is a city? Why are there no good pictures?

This is fodder for communities who love their pseudoscience and pyramid energy.

[The Nehor]

4 hours ago, longview said:

Could it be the antediluvian city located in the "Land of Nod" ?

More likely it is the Lost City of Pnakotus that the Great Race inhabited before they were displaced by the Flying Polyps.

[sunstoned]

You lost me at the first sentence,  "An amateur archeologist says...."

[longview]

10 hours ago, The Nehor said:

More likely it is the Lost City of Pnakotus that the Great Race inhabited before they were displaced by the Flying Polyps.

Or . . . Or . . . Or . . . it could be . . .

Simon Dannhauer via Adobe Stock

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ABSTRACT

A sunken settlement discovered under Lake Atitlan demonstrates that a type of destruction mentioned in 3 Nephi (waters rising up to cover cities) occurred anciently in the Americas near the time of Christ.

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EVIDENCE SUMMARY

Book of Mormon Cities Submerged by Water

After the great destruction recorded in 3 Nephi, the Lord’s voice was heard among the people declaring that the “great city Moroni have I caused to be sunk in the depths of the sea, and the inhabitants thereof to be drowned” (3 Nephi 9:4). The cities of Onihah, Mocum, and Jerusalem suffered similar fates. Concerning them, the Lord declared that “waters have I caused to come up in the stead thereof” (v. 7).

Samabaj under Lake Atitlan

In the 1990s, Roberto Samayoa noticed ruins on an underwater plateau while scuba diving in Lake Atitlan, located in the highlands of Guatemala. The site was subsequently named Samabaj, which is partly derived from Roberto’s last name. Eventually, trained archaeologists began to seriously study the area.¹ A geophysical survey using side sonar scanning revealed even more man-made structures at other underwater locations along Lake Atitlan’s southern shore.²

Team preparing for a dive on Lake Atitlan. Image via Scripture Central. 

Concerning Samabaj, anthropologist John L. Sorenson noted that the “buildings appear to have been undamaged before their submersion, implying a sudden rise of the water.”³ The site has been described as an “underwater time capsule unmolested by looters and untouched by urbanization.”⁴ Researchers have found “about 30 ancient homes, a plaza, staircases, and even saunas, among the submerged ruins of Samabaj.”⁵ It also features “no fewer than 16 religious structures,” including “at least seven stelas, standing stone markers that often signified power and authority in antiquity.”⁶ Sonia Medrano, an archaeologist involved with Samabaj’s underwater excavation and mapping, described it as “a place of public rituals and pilgrimage.”⁷

Ruins at samabaj. Image via zandersturgill.com.

The sudden rise in water, which left the 30-acre island submerged under 12 to 30 meters of water, was likely due to local volcanic activity.⁸ Based on ceramic remains, Sorenson felt that the ruins were from the “Late Pre-Classic period, probably around the time of Christ.”⁹ Other scholars have provided similar dates, noting that the ceramic remains range between 200 BC and AD 300.¹⁰ Sorensen noted that “some finds in the Atitlan area indicate that settlers lived in the vicinity since before the time of Christ, and the smoothed stela at Samabaj points to a date possibly earlier.”¹¹ Medrano dated “the island’s moment of destruction to no later than A.D. 300.”¹²

A pot extracted from Lake Atitlan. Image via Scripture Central. 

Samabaj and Jerusalem

In 1985, before the ruins of Samabaj were discovered, Sorenson suggested that the Lamanite city of Jerusalem was situated along Lake Atitlan’s southwestern shore. Sorenson’s proposal was based on several factors, including his belief that the land of Mormon (Mosiah 18:4; 3 Nephi 5:12, 20) was located “near the eastern end of the lake.”¹³ According to Sorenson’s larger proposed geography, “The spot was also close to the main areas of Lamanite population only a few miles away down in the hot but agriculturally rich piedmont zone.”¹⁴

At the time, Sorensen knew that Lake Atitlan’s water level had “shifted dramatically—by as much as 60 feet within historical times, and up to 15 feet in a single year—so a city located on this shore could understandably be submerged quite abruptly.”¹⁵ What he didn’t know then was that remains of settlements were indeed sitting below the water’s surface at Samabaj and other locations near the shore. It is not insignificant that submerged ruins have turned up at the very lake where Sorenson predicted they might be located, in connection with a Book of Mormon location.  

Conclusion

It remains uncertain if Samabaj and its sudden flooding had anything to do with Book of Mormon peoples or the destruction reported in 3 Nephi. Current estimates date the site’s flooding several hundred years too late, based on the latest samples of ceramic remains at the site. On the other hand, Lake Atitlan’s water level has fluctuated over time.

Even today, the sudden swelling of Lake Atitlan and the wild swings in its level can be unnerving for local residents as they watch the water creep over town squares and kitchen floors. Since the lake still has no outlet, it can rise as much as 15 feet in a matter of weeks, as it did in 2011, and then just as suddenly retreat. Local people hold title to land that is now underwater. They tell stories about how the lake once reached as high as a nearby church’s walls, and then drained away again like a bathtub. “The Lake is the master of its own destiny,” says Samayoa, “It rises and falls, rises and falls.”¹⁶

According to a UNESCO report of a geophysical survey conducted in 2022, “one or more floods have considerably affected the cultural landscape of the lake.”¹⁷ In another instance, the report states that its collection of data is intended to facilitate “understanding of the palaeolandscape, the process of occupation and formation of the site, as well as the onslaught of various floods that led to its abandonment.”¹⁸ Thus, whatever the precise date may be for the site’s most recent submersion, more data would be needed to either verify or rule out the possibility of a major flooding event close to the time of Christ’s death.

Sillouette of Atitlan's southern shore. Image via anywhere.com.

Whatever this region’s relationship may be, if any, with the events reported in 3 Nephi, the ruins at Samabaj offer an example of the type of destruction experienced by the cities of Onihah, Mocum, and Jerusalem. Rather than sinking into the sea or having a flash flood come crashing down upon them from above, the Lord declared that “waters have I caused to come up in the stead thereof” (3 Nephi 9:7; emphasis added). This is precisely what happened at Samabaj—the water level of its surrounding lake quickly rose and submerged it.

< see https://evidencecentral.org/recency/evidence/sunken-cities >

[LoudmouthMormon]

10 hours ago, sunstoned said:

You lost me at the first sentence,  "An amateur archeologist says...."

Nonsense.  I'm an amateur archeologist, and I've made a startling discovery by analyzing this picture: 

[Pyreaux]

49 minutes ago, sunstoned said:

You lost me at the first sentence,  "An amateur archeologist says...."

Why? There is granite there. Granite is not native to Louisiana or Mississippi. Humans put it there. Professionally he's an architect. His case is that the artifacts he has are in fact architecture.

[The Nehor]

1 hour ago, Pyreaux said:

Why? There is granite there. Granite is not native to Louisiana or Mississippi. Humans put it there. Professionally he's an architect. His case is that the artifacts he has are in fact architecture.

One explanation is that ships carrying light cargo from Europe or wherever would load rocks as ballast and then dump it overboard before going into the shallower port. Or they were going either in or out of port and got stuck and dumped their ballast.

 

[Pyreaux]

3 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

One explanation is that ships carrying light cargo from Europe or wherever would load rocks as ballast and then dump it overboard before going into the shallower port. Or they were going either in or out of port and got stuck and dumped their ballast.

Exactly, that is the main debate, an architect argues that it is not ballast, but architecture, a slope, a gutter, etc. There are artifacts/pieces he has that he's trying to get verified as artifacts to get the site recognized as an archeological site.

[The Nehor]

1 minute ago, Pyreaux said:

Exactly, that is the main debate, an architect argues that it is not ballast, but architecture, a slope, a gutter, etc. There are artifacts/pieces he has that he's trying to get verified as artifacts to get the site recognized as an archeological site.

Then he needs better pictures.

[Pyreaux]

10 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

Then he needs better pictures.

Looking for some

 

[The Nehor]

I meant large scale ones. Showing pics of rocks doesn’t convince me there is a city or a pyramid.

[ksfisher]

4 hours ago, The Nehor said:

Showing pics of rocks doesn’t convince me there is a city or a pyramid.

Cynic

[The Nehor]

1 hour ago, ksfisher said:

Cynic

I like my pyramids to be squarish at the bottom and pointy at the top as God intended.

[Stargazer]

On 2/5/2024 at 4:59 AM, The Nehor said:

More likely it is the Lost City of Pnakotus that the Great Race inhabited before they were displaced by the Flying Polyps.

But another possibility is that it was built by the Lizard People. 

 

[Pyreaux]

40 minutes ago, Stargazer said:

But another possibility is that it was built by the Lizard People. 

 

Or Serpent Men, depending on whether they were Sethites or Cainites, and whether Cain was of the serpent seed.

"I have gotten a man [ish] with the help [eth] of the LORD", ("champion" half breed by the "help of God" the angel Samiel who possessed or in the guise of a serpent)

Notably, the LXX translation has Elohim in this verse instead of YHWH, YHWH only refers to the main Israelite deity, the usages of Elohim are broader.  Second Temple period texts read the Cain and Abel story to suggest that Cain was the child of a divine being.

Genesis Rabbah 18:6 suggests that the reason the Serpent is introduced immediately after Adam and Eve are described as “naked” (Gen 2:25) is because he desired her (Gen. Rab. 19:3, 22:2). This is implied in Eve’s excuse: “The Serpent beguiled me and I ate” (Gen 3:14). The Talmud expounds: “The Serpent set his eyes on what he did not deserve. Therefore that which he wanted he was deprived of, and what he had (in hand) was taken from him” (b. Sotah 9b). But the second phrase, Rashi interpolates, "The Serpent beguiled me…,’ which is the language of sexual relations and marriage."

"in such form he entered and seduced Eva, but did not touch Adam." (2 Enoch 31:6) having “beguiled Eve in his craftiness”; 2 Corinthians 11:3, 1 Timothy 2:14–15; Protoevangelium of James 13:5; 4 Maccabees 18:8.

"Cain, who was of that wicked one" (1 John 3:12)

"Snakes! Spawn of vipers!" (Matthew 23:33)

Some Early Christians, paraphrases the curse thus: “you shall go about on your belly because you brought pangs upon womankind…And I will place enmity between you and the woman and between your seed and her seed because by your fraudulent show of love you deceived and subjected both her and her children to death” (S. Brock, St. Ephrem the Syrian: Hymns on Paradise 1990], 219)

See, Tertullian, On Patience 5:15; the (Gnostic) Gospel of Philip 61:6–10; 4 Maccabees 18:7–8; Targum Pseudo-Jonathan on Genesis 4:1; and Pirqe de Rabbi Eliezer 21

The Fallen Angel and Serpent