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Change to handbook, 19.3.6 RE: music in sacrament mtg


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7 hours ago, Vanguard said:

Nor could I resist this version! Happy New Year! ; )

Love the Heart version! And John Bonham’s son on drums wearing the derby and the whole choir wearing derbies, it was amazing!

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48 minutes ago, Peacefully said:

Love the Heart version! And John Bonham’s son on drums wearing the derby and the whole choir wearing derbies, it was amazing!

Thanks, nice ending to a Happy New Year's Eve! 

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21 hours ago, bluebell said:

He was my favorite bishop ever. He also pretty much just kept to the hymns. 

At the time I was ward choir director, which was through much of the decade of the 2010s, the direction from Church headquarters was to stay with the hymns as the corpus of the choir’s repertoire. I tried to follow this and kept to Church hymns (and some Primary songs) in varied arrangements. Only occasionally did I depart from this, and it was nearly always with a well-established song such as “Come Thou Fount of Every Blessing” or “Consider the Lilies of the Field” (on one occasion, I composed a new song from scratch, because I couldn’t find an existing one that commemorated the Priesthood Restoration). 
 

I’ve been out of the calling for a while now, so I don’t know to what extent, if any, the admonition to use hymns has changed. 

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4 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said:

I’ve been out of the calling for a while now, so I don’t know to what extent, if any, the admonition to use hymns has changed. 

In the past decade, I have served as a counsellor to two different bishops, both of whom assigned me to plan/oversee each week's sacrament meetings. In the music space, I relied very heavily on the ward music coordinator. Whenever she felt impressed to include music from outside Hymns or the Children's Songbook, she would provide lyrics and a link to the piece being performed on YouTube. As a rule, I would listen to the piece, consider the lyrics, and tell her it was a great choice. About twice, I took the matter to the bishop for his input. Only once do I remember declining a piece, and the coordinator was very gracious and said she'd likewise had doubts about its suitability.

Regarding choirs, the guidelines read, 'Choirs are encouraged to use the hymns of the Church. The singing of hymns invites the Spirit and helps choir participants and congregations learn the gospel (see Hymns, 381–83). If other sacred musical selections are used, the guidelines in 19.3.1 should be followed'.

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There is a lot of great music that will enhance sacrament meeting.   The Choir at Tabernacle Square is a great example of using a variety of music to bring in the spirit. 

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2 hours ago, Hamba Tuhan said:

In the past decade, I have served as a counsellor to two different bishops, both of whom assigned me to plan/oversee each week's sacrament meetings. In the music space, I relied very heavily on the ward music coordinator. Whenever she felt impressed to include music from outside Hymns or the Children's Songbook, she would provide lyrics and a link to the piece being performed on YouTube. As a rule, I would listen to the piece, consider the lyrics, and tell her it was a great choice. About twice, I took the matter to the bishop for his input. Only once do I remember declining a piece, and the coordinator was very gracious and said she'd likewise had doubts about its suitability.

Regarding choirs, the guidelines read, 'Choirs are encouraged to use the hymns of the Church. The singing of hymns invites the Spirit and helps choir participants and congregations learn the gospel (see Hymns, 381–83). If other sacred musical selections are used, the guidelines in 19.3.1 should be followed'.

This is how I remember the guidelines. 

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I was once asked to play "Spirit in the Sky" for a friend's dad's funeral. On the organ, in the chapel. I gently declined on the premise that his bishop would never go for it. Also where does one find an organ arrangement for Norman Greenbaum? 

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5 minutes ago, Cordelia said:

I was once asked to play "Spirit in the Sky" for a friend's dad's funeral. On the organ, in the chapel. I gently declined on the premise that his bishop would never go for it. Also where does one find an organ arrangement for Norman Greenbaum? 

Definitely not this one:

 

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12 hours ago, Cordelia said:

I was once asked to play "Spirit in the Sky" for a friend's dad's funeral. On the organ, in the chapel. I gently declined on the premise that his bishop would never go for it. Also where does one find an organ arrangement for Norman Greenbaum? 

It’s a simple I-IV-V chord progression; you maybe could have ad libbed it. 
 

Doctrinally, the only really problematic part of the lyrics is the line that says, “Never been a sinner, never sinned.” 
 

I read recently that Greenbaum, who was not a particularly religious man, set out to write a Christian-friendly rock song but was not initiated enough in the faith to understand that it would be rare indeed for a Christian to claim to be sinless. 

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6 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said:

It’s a simple I-IV-V chord progression; you maybe could have ad libbed it. 
 

Doctrinally, the only really problematic part of the lyrics is the line that says, “Never been a sinner, never sinned.” 
 

I read recently that Greenbaum, who was not a particularly religious man, set out to write a Christian-friendly rock song but was not initiated enough in the faith to understand that it would be rare indeed for a Christian to claim to be sinless. 

That's interesting. I haven't read anything about him and never thought much about the history of the song.

I'll have to play around with the song. How many can you play with that chord progression? Anyway ... I always thought rock/funk organ would be kind of fun. Maybe not in the chapel.

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10 hours ago, Cordelia said:

That's interesting. I haven't read anything about him and never thought much about the history of the song.

I'll have to play around with the song. How many can you play with that chord progression? Anyway ... I always thought rock/funk organ would be kind of fun. Maybe not in the chapel.

I was being facetious, of course. But there are thousands of songs with I-IV-V — across genres: rock, pop, folk, country. It is far and away the most common chord progression in all of popular music. 

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