Purpose of tithing settlement for temple recommend holders that is not redundant?

[mfbukowski]

On 11/8/2021 at 7:12 AM, bluebell said:

I was thinking of this as well.  People only do temple recommends every two years now, so it's no longer a giving that someone has declared they were full tithe payers at some point during the calendar year already.

And I know of people who paid a full tithe long enough to get a recommend and then backslid into not paying it anymore within a few months.  It would not make sense for the bishop to just assume someone was a full tithe payer based on them having a current temple recommend.

Having said that, I wouldn't be surprised if the church starts doing it a different way.  Members complain about settlement enough (myself sometimes included) and there are quite a few that refuse to go at all, increasing the stress of the bishop and executive secretary during the Christmas season when the bishop is already stressed and busy dealing with increased welfare needs.  

I'm guessing if the church feels that God is ok with going a different route that we will do that before long.

I pay mine once a year.

Because I am in business for myself, sometimes I lose money for months in a row, then hit a big payday. Tithing settlement for me is like getting your tax return ready. 

It takes a while to figure out what your  increase" is

 

Edited November 11, 2021 by mfbukowski

[bluebell]

16 minutes ago, mfbukowski said:

I pay mine once a year.

Because I am in business for myself, sometimes I lose money for months in a row, then hit a big payday. Tithing settlement for me is like getting your tax return ready. 

It takes a while to figure out what your  increase" is

 

We own two businesses.  It does complicate things a bit.

[rongo]

1 hour ago, mfbukowski said:

I pay mine once a year.

Because I am in business for myself, sometimes I lose money for months in a row, then hit a big payday. Tithing settlement for me is like getting your tax return ready. 

It takes a while to figure out what your  increase" is

 

 

54 minutes ago, bluebell said:

We own two businesses.  It does complicate things a bit.

It's so much easier "working for the man" and getting a W2 paycheck. Especially with tithing, but also security and stress. Hats off to the small business owners, but I don't have the nerve or the stomach for it. Farming, too --- that involves a lot of debt that is retired and re-upped when the crops or livestock are sold, and one-time payouts that have to last until the next one. That would complicate tithing a lot, I think. 

Our school system has a required entrepreneurship class. I was able to arrange an exemption for our two youngest who are still in school (as transfer students when I switched over to that system). They didn't want to do it, and what their classmates were having to do was "blech" to them. They are going to work for someone else and get paid. They understand the general principles of it, but the class requires them to get their hands dirty with entrepreneurial projects and deal with profit/loss. 

[Calm]

15 hours ago, rongo said:

Our school system has a required entrepreneurship class. I was able to arrange an exemption for our two youngest who are still in school (as transfer students when I switched over to that system). They didn't want to do it, and what their classmates were having to do was "blech" to them. They are going to work for someone else and get paid. They understand the general principles of it, but the class requires them to get their hands dirty with entrepreneurial projects and deal with profit/loss. 

I am working hard not to be offended here.   
 

My husband’s specialty is entrepreneurship.  College level though.  And his classes are formatted to teach a lot besides entrepreneurship.  My opinion is that anyone would benefit from them, if only to appreciate and hopefully support small businesses more…but also to learn how to work well as a team, present yourself to others, how to be effectively self critical of one’s own ideas, develop more flexible thinking, and have a Plan B if one needs to get some income in while in between jobs…kind of like learning how to use emergency food storage before one needs to use it because trying to figure it out during the crisis is much harder.  I would hate taking the classes myself though, even if I see the value of them, kind of like the required freshman PE health class I put off till my last semester before I graduated, so I get the choice of exemptions.

Not saying this is standard practice in teaching Entrepreneurship, no doubt there are useless versions.

Edited November 11, 2021 by Calm

[2BizE]

On 11/9/2021 at 5:16 PM, The Nehor said:

Yes, watch this priest trying to get a small donation for the church’s upkeep.

 

Well played.  I think Mormon financial inquisitions are generally more friendly than some other church’s.

[Teancum]

On 11/7/2021 at 9:18 PM, Rain said:

I was just wondering the purpose of tithing settlement.   I am seeing 2 reasons:

1. To make sure all money donated is correctly identified 

2. Declare a full tithe.

Now days I can look at the church website and see #1 easily if everything I donate is online. 

A temple recommend will already have declared themselves as full tithe players which makes settlement redundant.

 

So any other reasons for tithing settlement?

Makes sense to me.

[bluebell]

15 hours ago, rongo said:

 

It's so much easier "working for the man" and getting a W2 paycheck. Especially with tithing, but also security and stress. Hats off to the small business owners, but I don't have the nerve or the stomach for it. Farming, too --- that involves a lot of debt that is retired and re-upped when the crops or livestock are sold, and one-time payouts that have to last until the next one. That would complicate tithing a lot, I think. 

Our school system has a required entrepreneurship class. I was able to arrange an exemption for our two youngest who are still in school (as transfer students when I switched over to that system). They didn't want to do it, and what their classmates were having to do was "blech" to them. They are going to work for someone else and get paid. They understand the general principles of it, but the class requires them to get their hands dirty with entrepreneurial projects and deal with profit/loss. 

We have worked for others and owned businesses and the one thing that we have learned over the last 21 years is that neither is more secure than the other.  Especially not in the economy of the last couple of decades.

Both have some strong pluses and both have some strong minuses and in the end it really just comes down to what you enjoy doing and whether or not you feel more secure having more control over the success of the business you are making your money from, or whether putting the responsibility for the business staying viable and continuing to provide a paycheck in someone else's hands feels more secure.

Both options can very easily go sideways.  I have lived through both options going sideways, more than once.  The best job security is diversification if possible.  That way you don't have all of your eggs in one basket and when the bottom falls out of one industry, you have an other industry to depend on.

 

Edited November 11, 2021 by bluebell

[bluebell]

oops.

Edited November 11, 2021 by bluebell

[ksfisher]

2 minutes ago, bluebell said:

We have worked for others and owned businesses and the one thing that we have learned over the last 21 years is that neither is more secure than the other.  Especially not in the economy of the last couple of decades.

Both have some strong pluses and both have some strong minuses and in the end it really just comes down to what you enjoy doing and whether or not you feel more secure having more control over the success of the business you are making your money from, or whether putting the responsibility for the business staying viable and continuing to provide a paycheck in someone else's hands feels more secure.

Both options can very easily go sideways.  I have lived through both options going sideways, more than once.  

My father says he works for the best boss he's ever had (he's self employed).