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Ammon Bundy failed to appear in Ada County Court today, so the judge issued a warrant and increased his bond to $50,000

See previous discussion of Ammon Bundy on this board at

 

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1 hour ago, Kenngo1969 said:

No.

You know, you convinced me. That is just putting a band-aid on the problem. Why don’t we get rid of the bail system entirely and either release the person pending trial or refuse release based on the person’s likelihood of being a danger to society or a flight risk?

We should also require all psychiatrists testifying in court to wear lederhosen while we are at it.

Thank you for that course correction.

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13 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said:

Ammon Bundy failed to appear in Ada County Court today, so the judge issued a warrant and increased his bond to $50,000

Trying to understand this photo: does he literally sit around all day?

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Tazing the lawyer was beyond the pale.  Thuggery becoming more brazen.  The police have failed the citizens of Portland, Seattle and Berkeley, etc.

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28 minutes ago, CV75 said:

Trying to understand this photo: does he literally sit around all day?

The did not have a restraint truck (like the one in Con Air where Garland Greene was strapped down with security overdone) was not available on hand.  So they did the next best thing (a wheelie chair).  They could have used a gurney.

Con Air Restraint pole original movie prop

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1 hour ago, longview said:

Tazing the lawyer was beyond the pale.  Thuggery becoming more brazen.  The police have failed the citizens of Portland, Seattle and Berkeley, etc.

I disagree. The lawyer deserved it.

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So his protest is the government doesn’t have a right to tell him to wear a mask even for public safety reasons, correct?

If so, I would be more impressed with his argument if he showed up starkers as part of his claim arguing the government had no right to establishing clothing standards based on the needs of the public.  That would show real commitment to the claim. 

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1 hour ago, The Nehor said:

I disagree. The lawyer deserved it.

Why did he deserve it? Honest question; I don't know what the circumstances were.

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Was he the one charged with battery against a law enforcement officer?

Added:  did a search, looks like they are referring to an older case:

https://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/10/as_trial_ends_surreal_scene_le.html

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No, he's released on these charges. He's acquitted. Nevada doesn't have jurisdiction,'' Mumford yelled, standing before the judge. "If there's a detainer, show me.''

"Mr. Mumford, you really need to never yell at me now or never again,'' the judge responded.

Brown told Mumford that she's releasing Bundy on all federal holds in the Oregon case, but he'll have to take up any questions about the federal holds from the Nevada case with the U.S. Marshals Service.

"If they want him, they know where to find him,'' Mumford told the judge. "I don't see any paper proving their authority to hold him.''

Suddenly, a group of about six to seven U.S. Marshals, who had been either standing or seated around the perimeter of the courtroom, slowly moved in and surrounded Mumford at his defense table. The judge directed them to move back but moments later, the marshals grabbed onto him.

"What are you doing?'' Mumford yelled, as he struggled and was taken down to the floor.

As deputy marshals yelled, "Stop resisting,'' the judge demanded, "Everybody out of the courtroom now!''

Mumford was taken into custody by the Federal Protective Services.

He was cited for failure to comply with a federal lawful order and disturbance and released with a Jan. 6 date to return to federal court, said Eric Wahlstrom, supervising deputy of the U.S. Marshals Service.

According to Wahlstrom, Mumford was shocked with a stun gun in what's called a dry-stun mode, meaning no probes were fired into his body but a Taser was placed up against his body.

 

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Also:

https://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/11/us_marshals_file_probable_caus.html
 

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Deputy U.S. Marshal Erik Helsing instructed Mumford to "lower his voice and stand down,'' which Mumford didn't do, Fawcett wrote. Mumford became even more agitated, "flailing his arms and raising his voice even louder,'' so two other deputy marshals moved in to escort Mumford out of the courtroom, the statement said.

Then, according to Fawcett, Mumford took a particular stance that in Fawcett's "experience as a police officer and a combat veteran'' signaled that the attorney was "preparing for a combative and physical altercation.''

Fawcett wrote that Mumford lowered his body, widened his stance and "brought his shoulders up toward his head.''

"These physical responses are pre-assault indicators, consistent with an individual preparing for a combative and physical altercation,'' he wrote....

Two other deputies moved to grab Mumford's upper arm using a standard law enforcement grasp, but Mumford jerked his arm free.

Mumford "then squared his body off'' with a deputy and "raised his clenched fists in what appeared to be a boxer's stance,'' Fawcett wrote.

There's also no mention of the deputy marshals tackling Mumford, who is 5 feet six inches tall, according to his citation.

Instead, the summary simply states that "a brief struggle ensued'' and that Mumford was taken into custody.

Lawyer claims they were making stuff up, he was just asking for papers.  Wonder if there is video. 

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29 minutes ago, Stargazer said:

Why did he deserve it? Honest question; I don't know what the circumstances were.

He'd been mouthing off to the judge through the whole case, insisted the judge had powers they legally did not (to overturn the decision of a federal court), and went into a rant at the end of the case demanding the judge release his client immediately in defiance of the federal court ruling. It is repeated flagrant contempt of court after many many warnings. I would prefer the lawyer being disbarred but tazing is okay I guess.

As to why the lawyer insisted the judge could overrule a federal court it is the same weirdness endemic to Bundy's beliefs. You saw it at the wildlife refuge standoff too. These yahoos think sheriffs and local courts have almost absolute power to overrule almost everything. Hence why said yahoos at the wildlife refuge seemed to think a local sheriff could call off the FBI. Basically the lawyer insisted that if the court did not have power to overrule the federal courts it had no power at all in the case they were dealing with. It is adjacent to sovereign citizen nonsense.

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1 hour ago, The Nehor said:

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As to why the lawyer insisted the judge could overrule a federal court it is the same weirdness endemic to Bundy's beliefs. You saw it at the wildlife refuge standoff too. These yahoos think sheriffs and local courts have almost absolute power to overrule almost everything. Hence why said yahoos at the wildlife refuge seemed to think a local sheriff could call off the FBI. Basically the lawyer insisted that if the court did not have power to overrule the federal courts it had no power at all in the case they were dealing with. It is adjacent to sovereign citizen nonsense.

This is bound up with their focus on posse comitatus "the power of the county," which a sheriff has (the ancient reeve of the shire), to the exclusion of everything else.  Bundy and his friends simply do not believe in the same legal system which the rest of us accept, which means that a lot of them end up in Federal Prison.

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2 hours ago, The Nehor said:

It is repeated flagrant contempt of court after many many warnings. I would prefer the lawyer being disbarred but tazing is okay I guess.

Tazing just made him into a victim IMO and it looks bad that it was admitted that night, but not mentioned in the description of the event.  I guess one of the marshalls thought he might go charging head first into someone like in football, but a better option would have been for the judge and everyone just to walk out on him letting him babble to himself.

I think contempt of court would have been much more applicable, but I can see the judge just wanting her endurance test to be over with, plus she seems to have been thrown by the response of the marshalls initially.  Thought her actions right after that were quick and on point, clearing out the room so no one else got hurt.

Looking at the video now on my iPad rather than my phone, it looks like the Marshall goes up to cuff him without warning, Mumford wasn’t facing the guy when he reached out to pull back Mumford’s arm....I am assuming to cuff him  I think Mumford suddenly struggling in response rather than immediate submission is reasonable.  How many times has he been arrested?  Bet he wasn’t brought up being told ‘if a law officer puts his hands on you, submit and don’t resist at all’.

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5 minutes ago, Calm said:

Tazing just made him into a victim IMO.  I guess one of the marshalls thought he might go charging head first into someone like in football, but a better option would have been for the judge and everyone just to walk out on him letting him babble to himself.

I think contempt of court would have been much more applicable, but I can see the judge just wanting her endurance test to be over with, plus she seems to have been thrown by the response of the marshalls initially.  Thought her actions right after that were quick and on point, clearing out the room so no one else got hurt.

Here is the justification given by the marshalls involved:

https://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/11/us_marshals_file_probable_caus.html

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5 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

Here is the justification given by the marshalls involved:

https://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/11/us_marshals_file_probable_caus.html

Yep, I posted that two hours ago.  :P 
 

I think for once you might be more sleep deprived than me (you said you were exhausted, I am assuming lack of sleep).

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5 hours ago, The Nehor said:

I disagree. The lawyer deserved it.

If you say so, Madame Defarge.

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2 hours ago, longview said:

If you say so, Madame Defarge.

I wish. I don’t even know how to knit. I would be posting on message boards while the trial was going on instead.

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41 minutes ago, The Nehor said:
2 hours ago, longview said:

If you say so, Madame Defarge.

I wish. I don’t even know how to knit. I would be posting on message boards while the trial was going on instead.

If you knew how to knit, you would be cackling like a witch as you watch the thugs trample due process.

3 hours ago, The Nehor said:

Here is the justification given by the marshalls involved:

https://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/11/us_marshals_file_probable_caus.html

The article actually states that the judge told the officers to back off.  But they were insistent on doing a bum rush on the defense team.  It is frightfully Orwellian when the system refuses to produce the paperwork for federal detention.

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34 minutes ago, longview said:

If you knew how to knit, you would be cackling like a witch as you watch the thugs trample due process.

No, I do more of a Joker cackle.

36 minutes ago, longview said:

The article actually states that the judge told the officers to back off.  But they were insistent on doing a bum rush on the defense team.  It is frightfully Orwellian when the system refuses to produce the paperwork for federal detention.

Yes, but the Marshalls reported he was blocking them from approaching the defendant and was assuming a combat stance and the mannerisms of someone about to fight. Those are pretty obvious if you know what to look for.

As to due process he was in blatant and repeated contempt of court. The marshalls were fully within their rights to subdue him and arrest him.

And yes, I found it funny. Almost as funny as the lady at the Capitol insurrection who was seen waving the Gadsden “Don’t Tread on Me” flag but was later trampled to death by fellow insurrectionists.

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The irony in that one was much more pronounced. Don’t get me started about the hilarity of the guy who allegedly tazed himself to death. That had me randomly giggling for days.

Yes, I am aware I am quite demented.

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10 hours ago, The Nehor said:

Yes, I am aware I am quite demented.

And firmly ensconced in Orwellian madness.   :bad:

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