poptart Posted October 2, 2019 Posted October 2, 2019 I'll just leave this here.... https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/10/02/fda-thousands-of-deaths-linked-to-puberty-blockers/ 2
poptart Posted October 2, 2019 Author Posted October 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, Nacho2dope said: wow, thanks for sharing this. Anyone with a bit of common sense knows mother nature doesn't like it when you mess around with her handiwork. I knew people who did transition, a few similarities I always noticed were they ended up on a ton of psyche meds. Something i'm sure has been buried, that shooting they had at the STEM school in CO? I think both of the shooters were transgender, know one was. 4
OGHoosier Posted October 3, 2019 Posted October 3, 2019 With a system as complex as the human body, let alone the human brain, it's not surprising that when we unleash chemicals into the system in a blunt-force effect to hold back healthy development, bad things happen and people are hurt. I'm glad you brought this up, though maybe this wasn't the right part of the forum. I hate to say that the data doesn't surprise me much. The Gods of the Copybook Headings are at it again.
Popular Post Calm Posted October 3, 2019 Popular Post Posted October 3, 2019 (edited) Or not: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1059831 ”The problem is: the “thousands” of people who die while taking these drugs are likely the terminally ill cancer patients who receive hormone blockers to fight hormone-sensitive cancers, like prostate cancer, according to experts.... Much more likely, Safer said, is that the 6,370 deaths over four decades the FDA lists as connected to this drug are in terminally ill cancer patients who are prescribed Lupron as a palliative, not curative, treatment. “They wouldn’t even be using it if they weren’t at risk of death,” Safer said of the drug’s use in prostate cancer patients.” Edited October 3, 2019 by Calm 5
Bill “Papa” Lee Posted October 3, 2019 Posted October 3, 2019 2 hours ago, poptart said: I'll just leave this here.... https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/10/02/fda-thousands-of-deaths-linked-to-puberty-blockers/ They never have been safe, not the medicine, not the surgery, none of it. Johns Hopkins (hope I spelled that correctly) who pioneered many things in the medical world, has stopped doing any such surgeries. They (like other hospitals and institutions) have learned what everyone has known for a very long time, that a person’s gender, is stamped via DNA in every cell of the human body. This is why medication (most all of it) is required for the remainder of the “Transgendered Person’s” life, much the same way, that meds are required for transplant patients, to keep their bodies from rejecting any new organs. Johns Hopkins, stopped doing “gender reassignment surgery”, not only due to the medication, and it’s ill effects to the patient, but also because of the alarmingly high suicide rates among those who have sex change operations. In short, the pledge to “do no harm”, was no longer guiding them in such surgeries, and medications that had to be administered, because of “sexual reassignment surgery”. So, in the face of mounting social pressure, they still choose to stop performing the procedures. I don’t keep a constant watch on the news, or spend to much time tracking such stories, so I hope they are still doing what is best for their patients, and having the courage to not perform a surgery, that leads to alarming levels of suicide among patients. 4
Popular Post The Nehor Posted October 3, 2019 Popular Post Posted October 3, 2019 (edited) Yeah, the article is misinformation put out as propaganda. The deaths are not occurring en masse to those going through gender transitions. Be skeptical especially if something is telling you what you want to believe. I believe gender transition is a terrible idea but bad evidence that supports it is still bad evidence. Edited October 3, 2019 by The Nehor 5
MiserereNobis Posted October 3, 2019 Posted October 3, 2019 12 hours ago, The Nehor said: Yeah, the article is misinformation put out as propaganda. It is Breitbart, after all, the paragon of accurate journalism.
MiserereNobis Posted October 3, 2019 Posted October 3, 2019 15 hours ago, poptart said: Something i'm sure has been buried, that shooting they had at the STEM school in CO? I think both of the shooters were transgender, know one was. And all the other school shootings, bunch of white males. Obviously something is wrong with white males. (just following your logic here)
The Nehor Posted October 3, 2019 Posted October 3, 2019 20 minutes ago, MiserereNobis said: It is Breitbart, after all, the paragon of accurate journalism. That also made me immediately suspicious when it was first posted but I was at Mutual last night so did not have time to look into it until later. Calm had it covered though.
Calm Posted October 3, 2019 Posted October 3, 2019 (edited) 27 minutes ago, MiserereNobis said: It is Breitbart, after all, the paragon of accurate journalism. That triggered my impulse to search for solid documentation, though I think I would have looked for it anyway since I have seen studies that included longterm physical health that did not line up with the claim. Such tactics only serve to discredit those who push them professionally. The rest of us need to learn to verify any significant claims given the nature of how misinformation can rapidly spread when assumed true. I do have major concerns about the impact of multiple drugs that create such a massive change in the body, even while I am also aware that just because something isn't 'natural' for an individual, that doesn't mean it is inherently less desirable than the natural state...for example, my natural state as of five years ago is being barely able to get out of bed every day because my body doesn't make enough thyroid hormone for my needs. Being able to observe the side effects of one to three significant drugs used together on myself and others for decades, I get very nervous with combining even more when often we are not fully aware of all the effects or even why some drugs work. Then there is the issue of surgeries that aren't reversible in the cases (I have no clue what the percentage is, it could be quite low) where the experience ends up as not what was expected and doesn't work for the patient or there is more fluidity in identity in that individual than expected and what initially works later becomes dysfunctional. I have the same concerns about plastic surgery for purely cosmetic reasons, especially if it is not restoring, but altering appearance significantly. Otoh, puberty suppression drugs can always be stopped, but puberty itself can't be reversed once it happens. Very confusing subject for me. Edited October 3, 2019 by Calm
poptart Posted October 3, 2019 Author Posted October 3, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, MiserereNobis said: And all the other school shootings, bunch of white males. Obviously something is wrong with white males. (just following your logic here) Okay, as someone who’s mixed race and was raised by my non Caucasian mom, I have my own opinions. In life my father was very much the stereotype of someone who gets a non-Caucasian spouse, entitled, violent and alcoholic. As horrible as he was to us, his own siblings were worse. Only white first cousin I had was ruined by my father’s brother. He was on every drug under the sun and died of skin cancer years ago. The father is now in a nursing home, his daughter won’t raise a finger because there’s no money in it. His sister (here’s the real irony…) cooked up a bogus mental illness story as a kid so she wouldn’t have to work (Their father spoiled her rotten) and has bounced from facility to facility. Here’s the irony with that one, father’s side is protestant yet it was Catholic Charities and places staffed by nuns she went to. The rest of that side is pretty much like your typical Caucasian American family now, entitled, disrespectful and destroying themselves. Here’s what I’ve noticed about a lot of Caucasian families here, they give their kids the boot at 18 and provided the kids don’t end up homeless they remember being treated poorly and do nothing when their aged parents need help. I see it all the time in my line of work, the parents are often abandoned. You can ask residents where their kids are and sometimes they’ll be honest and say they treated them poorly. I know my father wanted to give me the boot at 18, despite his parents spoiling him rotten and letting him back in after he tried to assault his own father. My mom even brought that up to him and typical boomer response, that was then this is now, I don’t care. Also, look at the meds they shove down kid’s throats, especially males. I saw it all the time growing up and from what I hear from young parents, it’s even worse now. Now, mom’s side? Far as I can tell to this day none of em have ever been put on meds, the parents do their job. Also, the extended family helps out. That’s still common in Hawaii vs. here. My aunties kids are doing stellar in school and work their backsides off vs. my father’s side whom always seem to have an excuse as to why they’re having issues with their kids. They blame society, video games, social media; everyone but themselves. They always have excuses yet no solutions to their problems. Even in churches I went to I would see the same thing, excuses yet no solutions, they always wanted to outsource their jobs as parents to society yet would complain to no end when their kids end up messed up. I know a lot of kids get spoiled rotten, still I've seen similar patterns of disfunction. There's a joke among minority students in HS, inside every white kid a shooter waiting to come out. One has to wonder... I know not all Caucasian families are like that, yet when you look at the data from the CDC on drug abuse and suicide you see disturbing trends. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hestat/suicide/rates_1999_2017.pdf Suicide has always been high for natives, no surprise there. Still, look at Caucasian stats, let’s face it for the longest time WASP’s were the dominant force in the USA, decades of family dysfunction, drugs and the ever shrinking safety net has taken its toll. https://www.cdc.gov/drugoverdose/data/statedeaths.html https://www.ajmc.com/focus-of-the-week/cdc-data-life-expectancy-decreases-as-deaths-from-suicide-drug-overdose-increase Take this for what it’s worth, as someone who had to grow up in poverty thanks to my father’s violence and alcoholism plus the racism I had to see my mom go through as a kid, yeah I’ve always had a slant on things, still I think I’ve tried to be unbiased here, I hope. Those CDC links are scary, that and far as I can tell the population here doesn’t seem to want to do anything to clean up the mess they had a hand in making. Look at the homelessness we see everywhere now, it’s mostly white males. Follow the symptoms and draw your own conclusions. Also wanted to add, as far as I know this whole transgender thing is more of a western phenomenon, this stuff doesn't fly in a lot of the non western world, Japan still has transgender people sterilized. https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/03/01/silver-lining-japans-supreme-court-transgender-ruling Edited October 3, 2019 by poptart
juliann Posted October 5, 2019 Posted October 5, 2019 On 10/3/2019 at 9:20 AM, MiserereNobis said: And all the other school shootings, bunch of white males. Obviously something is wrong with white males. (just following your logic here) I don't know about the white part, but violence is pretty much a male thing if you look at stats.
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