mfbukowski Posted August 26, 2019 Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) 20 hours ago, Tacenda said: Pretty interesting actually. I think the leaders drink it, I remember reading that Pres. Monson did, but don't quote me on that. But to me, soda pop is worse than green tea for sure. So it's really all relative. Sodapop did not exist in Joseph's Day. It's not as if we get a list every year of new products which are now prohibited by the word of wisdom. We actually get to be wise in following the word of wisdom. But wisdom is a rapidly disappearing commodity. Edited August 26, 2019 by mfbukowski
Calm Posted August 26, 2019 Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) They had chocolate back then, didn’t they? Why wasn’t that included? chocolate hit Europe in the 16th century “Soon, along with coffee and tea, chocolate was a common drink in colonial America, writes Frank L. Clark in Chocolate. Over time, the comparative prices of these three drinks fluctuated–but chocolate in particular was more a commonplace drink than it ever was in Europe, writes Gay. For this reason, he writes, colonial America was on the cutting edge of chocolate production.” https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/brief-history-chocolate-united-states-180964827/ Edited August 26, 2019 by Calm 1
mfbukowski Posted August 26, 2019 Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Calm said: They had chocolate back then, didn’t they? Why wasn’t that included? chocolate hit Europe in the 16th century “Soon, along with coffee and tea, chocolate was a common drink in colonial America, writes Frank L. Clark in Chocolate. Over time, the comparative prices of these three drinks fluctuated–but chocolate in particular was more a commonplace drink than it ever was in Europe, writes Gay. For this reason, he writes, colonial America was on the cutting edge of chocolate production.” https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/brief-history-chocolate-united-states-180964827/ First of all hot chocolate is... Hot. It is a hot drink. Secondly chocolate is not even in the same ballpark as coffee as far as caffeine content. http://www.caffeine-content.com/caffeine-in-chocolate/caffeine-content-in-chocolate/ Edited August 26, 2019 by mfbukowski
california boy Posted August 26, 2019 Posted August 26, 2019 1 hour ago, mfbukowski said: Because they didn't have Mountain Dew in Joseph's day? What "products" did you have in mind? I personally don't think you can put this on Joseph Smith. If the revelation was about caffeine, then why not just prohibit caffeine from the very beginning. Or at least specify caffeine in the 20's when the WoW became a commandment. Caffeinated soft drinks, sugar-free caffeinated soft drinks, energy drinks, and dark chocolate all have more caffeine in them than tea. Chocolate cake with chocolate frosting is in the top 10 foods high in caffeine. Other foods that have caffeine Decaffeinated Coffee While its very name implies that its totally caffeine free, don’t be misled. Even “decaffeinated” coffee contains at least two and up to 12 milligrams—just enough to keep you from catching your zzz’s. Chocolate Caffeine is naturally found in cocoa beans, so most chocolate has at least some of the energy-boosting compound. The amount of caffeine in chocolate varies, depending on the bar's ingredients (a blend of cocoa butter, cocoa solids, sugar, flavorings, and fillers), but generally, the darker the chocolate, the more caffeine it contains. A Hershey’s Special Dark bar, for example, packs 31 milligrams (about same amount as a full can of cola) and a Milky Way Midnight delivers 14 grams. Ice Cream and Frozen Yogurt If coffee or chocolate flavors are among your favorites, expect your ice cream or frozen yogurt to pack a caffeine punch. Many popular brands with these flavors can contain 30 to 45 milligrams. Breakfast Cereals Did you know that your cereal could be giving you the extra energy boost that you need in the morning? That’s right! Cereals, such as Quaker Cocoa Blasts and other chocolate-flavored a.m. munchies, can pack up to 11 milligrams of caffeine. Pudding If pudding is your guilty pleasure, you may be surprised to know that it can supply you with up to 10 milligrams of caffeine—especially the chocolate-flavored kind. Therefore, this gooey treat may not be the best snack to have before bed. Hot Cocoa On a crisp winter night, hot chocolate seems like the best choice to stay warm, but it also could keep you up late. Normal hot cocoa mix can hold nine milligrams of the energy-filled substance. However, this beverage could be a great choice in the a.m. to mix up your morning coffee routine, as it has only about a tenth as much of the jittery stuff as a cup of coffee. Quote In fact caffeine raises heart rate and blood pressure and stresses your body, it just does not happen to be mentioned in the WOW. Caffeine CAN raise heart rate and blood pressure, but not in everyone. It depends on the person. There are also some pretty specific positive benefits for caffeine such as 27 Possible Caffeine Health Benefits Quote In Japan, researchers have shown that caffeine increases memory. Also, a newer study out of Johns Hopkins University showed that a 200 mg caffeine pill helped boost memory consolidation. Caffeine mixed with carbs replenishes muscle glycogen concentrations faster after exercise. Caffeine detoxes the liver and cleanses the colon when taken as a caffeine enema. Caffeine helps keep you alert while driving during periods of sleep restriction. Here’s the research Caffeine can stimulate hair growth on balding men and women. Caffeine relieves post-workout muscle pain by up to 48%. Caffeine relieves pain associated with sleep loss better than analgesics. The study. Caffeine may protect against Parkinson’s disease. Research shows that those who consume coffee are at less risk of developing Parkison’s disease and it even reduces the risk of those genetically more likely to develop the condition. Here’s the study. Caffeine may help ward off Alzheimer’s. Caffeine increases stamina during exercise. Caffeine through coffee may protect against eyelid spasm. Caffeine may protect against Cataracts. Caffeine may prevent skin cancer. A new study out of Rutgers University found that caffeine prevented skin cancer in hairless mice. Another study showed that caffeinated coffee drinkers have less risk of developing melanoma. People who consume caffeine have a lower risk of suicide. Src. Caffeine may reduce fatty liver in those with non-alcohol related fatty liver disease. This study comes out of Duke University. Caffeine is shown to reduce liver fibrosis risk in patients with hepatitis C. As little as 100 mg per day is believed to have protective benefits. Src. Caffeine consuming men showed increased semen volume and significantly less sperm DNA fragmentation than non-caffeine consuming men. Src. Men who consume 250-375 mg of caffeine per day have a much lower risk of developing ED (erectile dysfunction). Reduced risk was even observed among men consuming as little as 85 mg of caffeine daily. This research was conducted by The University of Texas Medical School. Src. Caffeine may prevent ringing in the ears (tinnitus) in women: A study published in The American Journal of Medicine followed a group of 65,085 nurses since 1991. The women who consumed the most caffeine had the lowest incidences of tinnitus reported. Src. Caffeine Reduces Kidney Stone Risk. In a large 217,883 person study, those that consumed caffeine from any source had less kidney stone formation than those that did not consume caffeine. The researchers believe that this is because caffeine makes urine more dilute. Src. Caffeine has also been shown to reduce the mortality rate in those with chronic kidney disease. Caffeine appears to have a protective effect on the progression of the disease. Here’s the study. Another study (2018) also confirmed that caffeine consumption reduces the mortality rate for those living with kidney disease. Study link. Caffeine improves reaction time and logical reasoning during times when sleep isn’t possible or restricted. See the study here. Caffeine helps those with asthma. A study published in the U.S. National Library of Medicine concluded that caffeine seems to open airways and help asthmatics breathe easier similarly to theophylline a drug currently used and one that’s a close cousin to caffeine. The study. Reduces driver error: A recent study conducted by the Australian Department of Defence found that caffeine consumption improves driving performance and reduces driver error. Caffeinated gum was used in the study on soldiers that had been sleep-deprived for 50 hours. Caffeine may prevent weight gain: Research out of Germany showed that weight loss study participants who drank 2-4 cups of caffeinated coffee a day were more likely to be successful at keeping the weight off than those who did not consume caffeine. The study. Another study showed that caffeine stimulates brown fat cells causing them to burn more calories. This increases overall metabloic rate. Study link Caffeine reduces chronic inflammation. Researchers from Stanford University found that caffeine blocks the expression of a gene responsible for low-grade chronic inflammation as we age. This inflammation eventually leads to high blood pressure, hardening of the arteries, and heart disease. Caffeine seems to help reduce this age-related inflammation in those that are regular consumers of the drug. Caffeine is good for the heart. A study out of Germany found that the amount of caffeine typically in 4 cups of coffee daily helps strengthen heart muscle cell function and prolongs the life of heart muscle cells. You can read the study’s abstract here. Caffeine helps premature infants: A few doses of caffeine given to premature babies drastically improves lung function and overall survival rate. Newer research found that this therapy produces no long-term side effects as the children age. Src. I had no idea caffeine had so many positive health benefits. Maybe I should rethink my not being interested in coffee. Thanks for prompting me to do some research on this. 1
california boy Posted August 26, 2019 Posted August 26, 2019 2 hours ago, mfbukowski said: Sodapop did not exist in Joseph's Day. It's not as if we get a list every year of new products which are now prohibited by the word of wisdom. We actually get to be wise in following the word of wisdom. But wisdom is a rapidly disappearing commodity. Most cola drinks were invented before the WoW became a commandment.
Calm Posted August 26, 2019 Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) “generally, the darker the chocolate, the more caffeine it contains” Thehot chocolate of today is nothing like the hot chocolate of the past, likely was much more caffeinated and a couple of cups could easily equal one cup of coffee “However, the drinking chocolate colonists enjoyed doesn't strongly resemble modern cocoa: it was much thicker and had a much stronger chocolate flavor, writes Rodney Snyder for the Colonial Williamsburg website. In part, this is because it was made from scraped or melted chocolate rather than cocoa powder. The drinking chocolate of this time also didn't contain sugar.” Edited August 26, 2019 by Calm 1
california boy Posted August 26, 2019 Posted August 26, 2019 2 hours ago, mfbukowski said: First of all hot chocolate is... Hot. It is a hot drink. Secondly chocolate is not even in the same ballpark as coffee as far as caffeine content. http://www.caffeine-content.com/caffeine-in-chocolate/caffeine-content-in-chocolate/ Well that is not really true. 40 grams of dark chocolate has more caffeine in it than a cup of coffee. 2
california boy Posted August 26, 2019 Posted August 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, Calm said: “generally, the darker the chocolate, the more caffeine it contains” Thehot chocolate of today is nothing like the hot chocolate of the past, likely was much more caffeinated and a couple of cups could easily equal one cup of coffee “However, the drinking chocolate colonists enjoyed doesn't strongly resemble modern cocoa: it was much thicker and had a much stronger chocolate flavor, writes Rodney Snyder for the Colonial Williamsburg website. In part, this is because it was made from scraped or melted chocolate rather than cocoa powder. The drinking chocolate of this time also didn't contain sugar.” I have had that kind of hot chocolate from an original recipe dating from 1797. It was incredible. So rich and so thick. It had almost the consistency of pudding. They served it with a very dry piece of french bread that is meant for dipping in the hot chocolate. You can tour the home of the family that made the chocolate in Barcelona at Casa Amatiler. I have to warn you though. Once you have tried this hot chocolate, you will never go back to what you grew up thinking was hot chocolate. 1
mfbukowski Posted August 26, 2019 Posted August 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Calm said: “generally, the darker the chocolate, the more caffeine it contains” Thehot chocolate of today is nothing like the hot chocolate of the past, likely was much more caffeinated and a couple of cups could easily equal one cup of coffee “However, the drinking chocolate colonists enjoyed doesn't strongly resemble modern cocoa: it was much thicker and had a much stronger chocolate flavor, writes Rodney Snyder for the Colonial Williamsburg website. In part, this is because it was made from scraped or melted chocolate rather than cocoa powder. The drinking chocolate of this time also didn't contain sugar.” Was it still hot?
mfbukowski Posted August 26, 2019 Posted August 26, 2019 1 hour ago, california boy said: Well that is not really true. 40 grams of dark chocolate has more caffeine in it than a cup of coffee. Where did you get that data I don't believe it.
california boy Posted August 26, 2019 Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, mfbukowski said: Where did you get that data I don't believe it. The data for the amount of caffeine in each of the things I mentioned? The data is in the link. Did it not work for you? Filtered Coffee 125 ml. average 85 mg Dark Chocolate 30 g 60 mg of caffeine. Sorry my math was a little off. Should have been 43 mg dark chocolate, = 86 mg of caffeine, compared to the coffee at 85 mg of caffeine. Edited August 26, 2019 by california boy
Tacenda Posted August 26, 2019 Posted August 26, 2019 48 minutes ago, california boy said: The data for the amount of caffeine in each of the things I mentioned? The data is in the link. Did it not work for you? Filtered Coffee 125 ml. average 85 mg Dark Chocolate 30 g 60 mg of caffeine. Sorry my math was a little off. Should have been 43 mg dark chocolate, = 86 mg of caffeine, compared to the coffee at 85 mg of caffeine. Curious if that is why they say to pick dark chocolate for it's health benefits.
Calm Posted August 27, 2019 Posted August 27, 2019 (edited) 19 hours ago, california boy said: I have had that kind of hot chocolate from an original recipe dating from 1797. It was incredible. So rich and so thick. It had almost the consistency of pudding. They served it with a very dry piece of french bread that is meant for dipping in the hot chocolate. You can tour the home of the family that made the chocolate in Barcelona at Casa Amatiler. I have to warn you though. Once you have tried this hot chocolate, you will never go back to what you grew up thinking was hot chocolate. Almost makes me willing to suffer restless legs for a night or two (chocolate has begun to trigger the wretched thing the last few years, I have substituted vanilla and nutmeg in warm milk with agave if I really feel the need for comfort food, given my feeling that most hot chocolate wasn't worth it, I think in this I got a nice side benefit...but every now and then there is chocolate that I am curious about). Edited August 27, 2019 by Calm 1
Calm Posted August 27, 2019 Posted August 27, 2019 14 hours ago, Tacenda said: Curious if that is why they say to pick dark chocolate for it's health benefits. No. https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/324747.php 1
mfbukowski Posted August 27, 2019 Posted August 27, 2019 18 hours ago, california boy said: The data for the amount of caffeine in each of the things I mentioned? The data is in the link. Did it not work for you? Filtered Coffee 125 ml. average 85 mg Dark Chocolate 30 g 60 mg of caffeine. Sorry my math was a little off. Should have been 43 mg dark chocolate, = 86 mg of caffeine, compared to the coffee at 85 mg of caffeine. That data does not make sense. One cup of coffee is 236 ml not 125 ml. That almost doubles the amount of caffeine in 1 cup.
Calm Posted August 27, 2019 Posted August 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, mfbukowski said: That data does not make sense. One cup of coffee is 236 ml not 125 ml. That almost doubles the amount of caffeine in 1 cup. "Serving Size: The industry standard for a cup is six ounces, but most people super-size their coffee to at least 16 ounces (that's a "grande" at Starbucks). That amount of coffee could deliver as much as 400 milligrams of caffeine." https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6155178
mfbukowski Posted August 27, 2019 Posted August 27, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Calm said: "Serving Size: The industry standard for a cup is six ounces, but most people super-size their coffee to at least 16 ounces (that's a "grande" at Starbucks). That amount of coffee could deliver as much as 400 milligrams of caffeine." https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6155178 Which means an 8 oz. Cup - the standard measure- would be 200 mg, not 95 or 100. There is no point in discussing this further. There are too many variables. Whatever points this is supposed to make I will concede just to stop having to discuss it. Edited August 27, 2019 by mfbukowski 1
Scott Lloyd Posted August 31, 2019 Posted August 31, 2019 (edited) Caffeine is a psychoactive drug. “Psychoactive drugs are substances that can change the consciousness, mood, and thoughts of those who take them. They include legal drugs, such as tobacco and alcohol; as well as illicit drugs, such as cannabis, amphetamines, ecstasy, cocaine, and heroin.” From https://www.greenfacts.org/en/psychoactive-drugs/index.htm Edited August 31, 2019 by Scott Lloyd
MustardSeed Posted August 31, 2019 Posted August 31, 2019 3 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said: Caffeine is a psychoactive drug. “Psychoactive drugs are substances that can change the consciousness, mood, and thoughts of those who take them. They include legal drugs, such as tobacco and alcohol; as well as illicit drugs, such as cannabis, amphetamines, ecstasy, cocaine, and heroin.” From https://www.greenfacts.org/en/psychoactive-drugs/index.htm And Benadryl. We can get really hung up on labels. Or really naive, as it were.
Scott Lloyd Posted September 1, 2019 Posted September 1, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, MustardSeed said: And Benadryl. We can get really hung up on labels. Or really naive, as it were. I take Benadryl by the spoonful if at all. Ghastly stuff! I don’t guzzle it by the cupful or can. Edited September 1, 2019 by Scott Lloyd
MustardSeed Posted September 1, 2019 Posted September 1, 2019 8 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said: I take Benadryl by the spoonful if at all. Ghastly stuff! I don’t guzzle it by the cupful or can. Gross! Who would. Doesn’t take much.
Scott Lloyd Posted September 2, 2019 Posted September 2, 2019 15 hours ago, MustardSeed said: Gross! Who would. Doesn’t take much. The point being that whatever psychoactive drug is in Benadryl, taking a spoonful of it once in a while is hardly comparable to daily consuming copious amounts of coffee, colas, energy drinks, etc., that contain caffeine, a psychoactive drug.
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