Duncan Posted January 1, 2019 Posted January 1, 2019 My parents got a new Bishop this past year, not to be judgy but he isn't the most mature person around , anyways there was no tithing settlement. I was talking to my folks yestarday and they said there was no mention or anything of it. My Mom asked one of the Bishopric and he said that they should get on that but then never did. I was thinking what would be the implications of not having it for whatever reason? 1
hope_for_things Posted January 1, 2019 Posted January 1, 2019 10 minutes ago, Duncan said: My parents got a new Bishop this past year, not to be judgy but he isn't the most mature person around , anyways there was no tithing settlement. I was talking to my folks yestarday and they said there was no mention or anything of it. My Mom asked one of the Bishopric and he said that they should get on that but then never did. I was thinking what would be the implications of not having it for whatever reason? Sounds like a great idea to me. 2
The Nehor Posted January 1, 2019 Posted January 1, 2019 24 minutes ago, Duncan said: My parents got a new Bishop this past year, not to be judgy but he isn't the most mature person around , anyways there was no tithing settlement. I was talking to my folks yestarday and they said there was no mention or anything of it. My Mom asked one of the Bishopric and he said that they should get on that but then never did. I was thinking what would be the implications of not having it for whatever reason? The Bishop has to guess for everyone for the annual report. Oh and possibly lose blessings for not fulfilling his duties. 3
SouthernMo Posted January 1, 2019 Posted January 1, 2019 Very little purpose. How does holding tithing settlement bring me closer to Christ? It never has, and has not helped my family in any significant way. 2
The Nehor Posted January 1, 2019 Posted January 1, 2019 10 minutes ago, SouthernMo said: Very little purpose. How does holding tithing settlement bring me closer to Christ? It never has, and has not helped my family in any significant way. It gives every family a chance to meet with the bishop at least once a year. Then again, this might be another one of those things that is going to go away. 1
Robert F. Smith Posted January 1, 2019 Posted January 1, 2019 35 minutes ago, The Nehor said: The Bishop has to guess for everyone for the annual report. Oh and possibly lose blessings for not fulfilling his duties. Unless he has received a personal witness of the tithing status of each ward member -- by revelation. Or, maybe he is responding passive aggressively to being called to the bishopric -- something he just couldn't say "no" to, but which he loathes. 2
Calm Posted January 1, 2019 Posted January 1, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Robert F. Smith said: Unless he has received a personal witness of the tithing status of each ward member -- by revelation. Or, maybe he is responding passive aggressively to being called to the bishopric -- something he just couldn't say "no" to, but which he loathes. Or maybe there was a crisis in his family or at work shortly after he was called and it hasn't been resolved yet and he was told by the SP he should put settlements near the bottom of his priorities for now. Edited January 1, 2019 by Calm 3
Duncan Posted January 1, 2019 Author Posted January 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, Calm said: Or maybe there was a crisis in his family or at work shortly after he was called and it hasn't been resolved yet and he was told by the SP he should put settlements near the bottom of his priorities for now. I was thinking that too but maybe they would have said something? like, now is not a good time and we are planning on doing it in January or arrange for something else
SouthernMo Posted January 1, 2019 Posted January 1, 2019 30 minutes ago, The Nehor said: It gives every family a chance to meet with the bishop at least once a year. Then again, this might be another one of those things that is going to go away. Sure it does. But just “meeting” with my bishop does nothing for me and my family.
strappinglad Posted January 1, 2019 Posted January 1, 2019 Are we looking for a miracle every time we meet with the Bishop? Tithing settlement is the opportunity to declare the status of one of your covenants and clarify your financial standing as needed for temple worthiness. A refreshing of Malachi 3:6-12 might help see how the visit may edify. Why put the Bishop in a position where he has to make assumptions and guess. 4
Popular Post Alan Posted January 1, 2019 Popular Post Posted January 1, 2019 I was recently released as bishop after serving for nearly 8 years. I hated doing the tithing report. It puts the bishop in the unenviable position of having to guess people's tithing status if there has been no tithing settlement. After a few years of flogging a dead horse (people just couldn't be bothered to meet with me for this) I announced that I would accept a tithing declaration by email, text, messenger, a quick chat in the foyer, or whatever. No formal meeting was required. At the same time I also announced that I was no longer prepared to guess or make a judgment regarding tithing status. Therefore, if no declaration had been received I would automatically assume the member was not a full tithe payer and record accordingly. It seemed to work quite well. 8
SouthernMo Posted January 1, 2019 Posted January 1, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, strappinglad said: Are we looking for a miracle every time we meet with the Bishop? Tithing settlement is the opportunity to declare the status of one of your covenants and clarify your financial standing as needed for temple worthiness. A refreshing of Malachi 3:6-12 might help see how the visit may edify. Why put the Bishop in a position where he has to make assumptions and guess. Not looking for a miracle every time I meet with the bishop, but some value/edification would be nice? Why does the bishop need to declare people a full tithe payer at all at the end of the year? What does that serve? For people who are interested in and worthy to enter the temple, they'll ‘declare’ this and any other adherence to TR commandments at their recommend interviews. Also, I urge you you study Malachi in greater depth. You will see that the scripture you quote is one of the most incorrectly contextualized scriptures. The message in 3:6-12 is directed at the priests, who were misusing the tithings given to the church - not to the general members for not paying enough. Edited January 1, 2019 by SouthernMo 1
Robert F. Smith Posted January 1, 2019 Posted January 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Duncan said: I was thinking that too but maybe they would have said something? like, now is not a good time and we are planning on doing it in January or arrange for something else The ward financial clerk can still issue official statements for IRS purposes, and any member can ask for necessary corrections. So, all is not lost. 1
Calm Posted January 1, 2019 Posted January 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Duncan said: I was thinking that too but maybe they would have said something? like, now is not a good time and we are planning on doing it in January or arrange for something else Might not say anything if he doesn't want inquiries into what is going on even from well meaning members. 1
Duncan Posted January 1, 2019 Author Posted January 1, 2019 14 minutes ago, Calm said: Might not say anything if he doesn't want inquiries into what is going on even from well meaning members. one way or the other I can sense an awkward conversation with the Stake President😐
cdowis Posted January 1, 2019 Posted January 1, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Duncan said: My parents got a new Bishop this past year, not to be judgy but he isn't the most mature person around , anyways there was no tithing settlement. I was talking to my folks yestarday and they said there was no mention or anything of it. My Mom asked one of the Bishopric and he said that they should get on that but then never did. I was thinking what would be the implications of not having it for whatever reason? Are you staying up at night? Anyway tithing worthiness is a measure used to make financial and organizational decisions about the local units --e.g low tithing worthiness, -- smaller budget; combine wards, etc Edited January 1, 2019 by cdowis
Duncan Posted January 1, 2019 Author Posted January 1, 2019 Just now, cdowis said: Are you staying up at night? Anyway tithing worthiness is a measure used to make financial and organizational decisions about the local units --e.g lower tithing worthiness, smaller budget; less likely to split ward, etc me? I am not staying up at night, no!
cdowis Posted January 1, 2019 Posted January 1, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Duncan said: me? I am not staying up at night, no! I certainly would. Edited January 1, 2019 by cdowis
Duncan Posted January 1, 2019 Author Posted January 1, 2019 Just now, cdowis said: You should. I should? there's nothing on TV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! why should I stay up at night?!
Jeanne Posted January 2, 2019 Posted January 2, 2019 2 hours ago, Alan said: I was recently released as bishop after serving for nearly 8 years. I hated doing the tithing report. It puts the bishop in the unenviable position of having to guess people's tithing status if there has been no tithing settlement. After a few years of flogging a dead horse (people just couldn't be bothered to meet with me for this) I announced that I would accept a tithing declaration by email, text, messenger, a quick chat in the foyer, or whatever. No formal meeting was required. At the same time I also announced that I was no longer prepared to guess or make a judgment regarding tithing status. Therefore, if no declaration had been received I would automatically assume the member was not a full tithe payer and record accordingly. It seemed to work quite well. Hallelujah....I hated tithing settlement. 🤤
Maidservant Posted January 2, 2019 Posted January 2, 2019 Tithing settlement is my favorite church meeting. 4
strappinglad Posted January 2, 2019 Posted January 2, 2019 2 hours ago, SouthernMo said: Also, I urge you you study Malachi in greater depth. You will see that the scripture you quote is one of the most incorrectly contextualized scriptures. The message in 3:6-12 is directed at the priests, who were misusing the tithings given to the church - not to the general members for not paying enough. So you are saying that the whole" open the windows of heaven " blessing only applied to the priests and not to the general congregation?
SouthernMo Posted January 2, 2019 Posted January 2, 2019 19 minutes ago, strappinglad said: So you are saying that the whole" open the windows of heaven " blessing only applied to the priests and not to the general congregation? Yup. You got it. That is how I read the book of Malachi. I encourage you to read the book in its entirety, and see context, rather than the way most Christians see scripture: as a reminder of little snippets of verses that have been used in sermons we’ve heard for so long. It’s understandably difficult when things we’ve been taught for so long turn out not to be the way we’ve understood them!
The Nehor Posted January 2, 2019 Posted January 2, 2019 5 hours ago, Alan said: I was recently released as bishop after serving for nearly 8 years. I hated doing the tithing report. It puts the bishop in the unenviable position of having to guess people's tithing status if there has been no tithing settlement. After a few years of flogging a dead horse (people just couldn't be bothered to meet with me for this) I announced that I would accept a tithing declaration by email, text, messenger, a quick chat in the foyer, or whatever. No formal meeting was required. At the same time I also announced that I was no longer prepared to guess or make a judgment regarding tithing status. Therefore, if no declaration had been received I would automatically assume the member was not a full tithe payer and record accordingly. It seemed to work quite well. My bishop decided to do this as well and got many declarations via email or quick conversation. Mine took 25 seconds. It would have been 15 but I interrupted to say I was a full tithe payer before he was finished and he told me to wait until he was done with the question.
Kenngo1969 Posted January 2, 2019 Posted January 2, 2019 1 hour ago, SouthernMo said: Yup. You got it. That is how I read the book of Malachi. I encourage you to read the book in its entirety, and see context, rather than the way most Christians see scripture: as a reminder of little snippets of verses that have been used in sermons we’ve heard for so long. It’s understandably difficult when things we’ve been taught for so long turn out not to be the way we’ve understood them! Condescend much? (Back to lurk mode!)
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