Darren10 Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 5 minutes ago, Tacenda said: Haha! How is Texas doing Darren? Thank you for asking. Back to normal pretty much. I’m sure though there are many homes still needing repairs. Go Astros! 1
Darren10 Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 8 hours ago, Kenngo1969 said: Perhaps, but some of us, surely, it is transparently obvious, are utterly irredeemable, utterly reprobate, utterly vile excuses for human beings who should forfeit our right, outright, to live anywhere near civilized society. In fact, we should forfeit our very right to live period! (Right Happy Jack Wagon?! Come on! I know that's why you started the thread! Just admit it! Huh, huh, huh! I'm right, aren't I?! Huh, huh, huh! ) BTW - Is there a back story to all of this? I have not been able to read and post here for a while.
Kenngo1969 Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 57 minutes ago, Darren10 said: ... BTW - Is there a back story to all of this? I have not been able to read and post here for a while. What, you mean that posting here takes a distant back seat to making sure that half of the population of Texas doesn't drown?! What's up with that?! You need to reorient your priorities, Son! (Seriously, I hope you and yours are doing as well as can be expected, given the circumstances. I do wish you well.) As for the back story illuminating why I have posted what I have on this thread, see here: http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/69719-the-next-time-a-critic-gripes-re-churchs-business-interests-quote-quinn/?page=6&tab=comments#comment-1209767397.
Darren10 Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 6 hours ago, Kenngo1969 said: What, you mean that posting here takes a distant back seat to making sure that half of the population of Texas doesn't drown?! What's up with that?! You need to reorient your priorities, Son! (Seriously, I hope you and yours are doing as well as can be expected, given the circumstances. I do wish you well.) As for the back story illuminating why I have posted what I have on this thread, see here: http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/69719-the-next-time-a-critic-gripes-re-churchs-business-interests-quote-quinn/?page=6&tab=comments#comment-1209767397. Thank you for the well wishes. Actually, not being able to come here is due to working two jobs, not recoviering from the flooding. To that latter end, things are pretty much back to normal except that the Astros last night won 13-12 at the bottom of the 10th! I’m excited and I don’t even follow professional sports but I do provide rides to people to and from the games. Thanks for the back story and sorry for tour pet maggot. Is Erik or Five solas? They both seem to want ot antagonize the LDS faithful.
HappyJackWagon Posted October 30, 2017 Author Posted October 30, 2017 On 10/27/2017 at 9:59 PM, Kenngo1969 said: No personal threads. (Why do I have a sneaking suspicion that this thread is about ... little old moi ... ) P.S.: No comment, Jappy Hack Wagon? Cat got yer tongue? Why would this thread be about you? You are either feeling guilty about something or are just generally overconfident about the time you spend in other people's heads Sorry, but I had a weekend free of the internet.
HappyJackWagon Posted October 30, 2017 Author Posted October 30, 2017 On 10/29/2017 at 6:06 AM, Kenngo1969 said: No, what you really want is for people to agree with your assessment of me. The judgment you've got your britches in a bunch about has been made after years interacting with that poster and of watching him interact with others on the board. I know that, to quote M*A*S*H's Radar O'Reilly, gives you hyperacididity. Try this. You're welcome. Hope it helps. I honestly have no clue why you seem to think this is about you. I have no gripe with you but you are starting to come off as a little self-important
Kenngo1969 Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 1 hour ago, HappyJackWagon said: Why would this thread be about you? You are either feeling guilty about something or are just generally overconfident about the time you spend in other people's heads Sorry, but I had a weekend free of the internet. Bzzzzzzzzzzt! Neither one! Care to try for at least one out of three? 59 minutes ago, HappyJackWagon said: I honestly have no clue why you seem to think this is about you. I have no gripe with you but you are starting to come off as a little self-important Ahh, so I'm just crazy, and the impression that previous dialogue in which I was involved had something to do with the starting of this thread is all in my head, is it? Oh. OK. (I'll add that kind of dismissal to the seemingly ever-growing list of ways in which you disrespect your interlocutors with whom you disagree.) Since you're utterly bewildered what I'm talking about, see my reply to Darren10, and the link therein to an earlier thread. Didn't you participate quite extensively in the thread awhile back (I think it was started by Johnnie Cake) about how, allegedly, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and its leaders gaslight members? Why do I have the sneaking suspicion that someone's trying to gaslight me here? Gaslighting is wrong for the Church of Jesus Christ (accepting solely for the sake of argument that it even engages in it) but it's A-OK for you? I can't help it if one of us has a longer memory than you do the other of us does.
HappyJackWagon Posted October 30, 2017 Author Posted October 30, 2017 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Kenngo1969 said: Bzzzzzzzzzzt! Neither one! Care to try for at least one out of three? Ahh, so I'm just crazy, and the impression that previous dialogue in which I was involved had something to do with the starting of this thread is all in my head, is it? Oh. OK. (I'll add that kind of dismissal to the seemingly ever-growing list of ways in which you disrespect your interlocutors with whom you disagree.) Since you're utterly bewildered what I'm talking about, see my reply to Darren10, and the link therein to an earlier thread. Didn't you participate quite extensively in the thread awhile back (I think it was started by Johnnie Cake) about how, allegedly, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and its leaders gaslight members? Why do I have the sneaking suspicion that someone's trying to gaslight me here? Gaslighting is wrong for the Church of Jesus Christ (accepting solely for the sake of argument that it even engages in it) but it's A-OK for you? I can't help it if one of us has a longer memory than you do the other of us does. Ah...I'd say thanks (for the thread reference), except you're priggish responses don't deserve the gratitude. I had forgotten. My memory is terrible, just ask my kids While the rudeness I must have noticed on that thread likely played a subliminal role in starting this thread, it certainly wasn't the impetus. I think I made a couple of comments on that entire thread (my last comment being over a week ago) so it wasn't really top of mind. In any case, I will say that rudeness like you're exhibiting now, is a bad fruit IMO. I never said you were crazy so don't put words into my mouth. Were you one of the many who were offended by use of the term "gaslighting"? I personally think the term fits in many circumstances (this isn't one of them), but I find it interesting that someone who finds it offensive would use it. I suppose it's just another example of intentional rudeness. I don't find intentional rudeness to be a very good fruit. Edited October 30, 2017 by HappyJackWagon 2
Kenngo1969 Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 (edited) 58 minutes ago, HappyJackWagon said: Ah...I'd say thanks (for the thread reference), except you're priggish responses don't deserve the gratitude. Of course not! Why should I expect anything better than that from you? (Call out other members for their alleged "rudeness," but let them suggest that perhaps you might want to look in the mirror, and they're "priggish." Gotcha. I'll be wary of attempting anything approaching good-faith dialogue with you henceforth.) Quote While the rudeness I must have noticed on that thread likely played a subliminal role in starting this thread, it certainly wasn't the impetus. I think I made a couple of comments on that entire thread (my last comment being over a week ago) so it wasn't really top of mind. Ah, so it was only subliminal! Well, that's a ... relief. Or whatever. Quote In any case, I will say that rudeness like you're exhibiting now, is a bad fruit IMO. Quote I never said you were crazy so don't put words into my mouth. Of course not! Why bother stating something outright when insinuation and innuendo will work just as well, and you can simply throw out one of these ( ) as the heads turn someone points a finger and attempts to call you out on it. Have a great day, Jappy Hack Wagon. Edited October 30, 2017 by Kenngo1969
Tacenda Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 5 minutes ago, Kenngo1969 said: Of course not! Why should I expect anything better than that from you? (Call out other members for their alleged "rudeness," but let them suggest that perhaps you might want to look in the mirror, and they're "priggish." Gotcha. I'll be wary of attempting anything approaching good-faith dialogue with you henceforth.) Ah, so it was only subliminal! Well, that's a ... relief. Or whatever. Of course not! Why bother stating something outright when insinuation and innuendo will work just as well, and you can simply throw out one of these ( ) as the heads turn someone points a finger and attempts to call you out on it. Have a great day, Jappy Hack Wagon. Kenngo, remind me never to get on your bad side.
Jeanne Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 3 hours ago, Kenngo1969 said: Of course not! Why should I expect anything better than that from you? (Call out other members for their alleged "rudeness," but let them suggest that perhaps you might want to look in the mirror, and they're "priggish." Gotcha. I'll be wary of attempting anything approaching good-faith dialogue with you henceforth.) Ah, so it was only subliminal! Well, that's a ... relief. Or whatever. Of course not! Why bother stating something outright when insinuation and innuendo will work just as well, and you can simply throw out one of these ( ) as the heads turn someone points a finger and attempts to call you out on it. Have a great day, Jappy Hack Wagon. I smell sour grapes here...gees..this is the kind of fruit that makes things difficult to make a good salad! 1
HappyJackWagon Posted October 30, 2017 Author Posted October 30, 2017 3 hours ago, Kenngo1969 said: Of course not! Why should I expect anything better than that from you? (Call out other members for their alleged "rudeness," but let them suggest that perhaps you might want to look in the mirror, and they're "priggish." Gotcha. I'll be wary of attempting anything approaching good-faith dialogue with you henceforth.) IF this dialogue is your best attempt at a "good-faith dialogue" then you are probably right to abandon that effort. 2
kiwi57 Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 16 hours ago, Darren10 said: If the Church as pumkins it does. Edited to ad: Or mangos...BLEHHH! Heretic! You haven't lived until you've eaten a fresh Queensland mango. 2
Darren10 Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 1 hour ago, kiwi57 said: Heretic! You haven't lived until you've eaten a fresh Queensland mango. Well, the next time I'm I Queensland...
Darren10 Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 6 hours ago, HappyJackWagon said: Ah...I'd say thanks (for the thread reference), except you're priggish responses don't deserve the gratitude. I had forgotten. My memory is terrible, just ask my kids While the rudeness I must have noticed on that thread likely played a subliminal role in starting this thread, it certainly wasn't the impetus. I think I made a couple of comments on that entire thread (my last comment being over a week ago) so it wasn't really top of mind. In any case, I will say that rudeness like you're exhibiting now, is a bad fruit IMO. I never said you were crazy so don't put words into my mouth. Were you one of the many who were offended by use of the term "gaslighting"? I personally think the term fits in many circumstances (this isn't one of them), but I find it interesting that someone who finds it offensive would use it. I suppose it's just another example of intentional rudeness. I don't find intentional rudeness to be a very good fruit. Your memory is probably terrible because of them. I can relate. 1
kiwi57 Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 7 hours ago, HappyJackWagon said: Ah...I'd say thanks (for the thread reference), except you're priggish responses don't deserve the gratitude. I had forgotten. My memory is terrible, just ask my kids While the rudeness I must have noticed on that thread likely played a subliminal role in starting this thread, it certainly wasn't the impetus. I think I made a couple of comments on that entire thread (my last comment being over a week ago) so it wasn't really top of mind. In any case, I will say that rudeness like you're exhibiting now, is a bad fruit IMO. I never said you were crazy so don't put words into my mouth. Were you one of the many who were offended by use of the term "gaslighting"? I personally think the term fits in many circumstances (this isn't one of them), but I find it interesting that someone who finds it offensive would use it. I suppose it's just another example of intentional rudeness. I don't find intentional rudeness to be a very good fruit. I noticed that one of the tags you put on this thread was "Judgmentalism." Was that a reference to your motivation, or to a problem you appear to perceive only in others? 2
Five Solas Posted October 31, 2017 Posted October 31, 2017 4 hours ago, kiwi57 said: I noticed that one of the tags you put on this thread was "Judgmentalism." Was that a reference to your motivation, or to a problem you appear to perceive only in others? You seem to have a penchant for insinuation, kiwi57. Those with whom you disagree must be hypocrites. I don't know that there are enough data points to declare a pattern--but readers might keep it in mind going forward. You're welcome. ;0) --Erik _______________________________ Say hello To the rug's topography It holds quite a lot of interest With your face down on it --A Perfect Circle, 2003 1
HappyJackWagon Posted October 31, 2017 Author Posted October 31, 2017 14 hours ago, kiwi57 said: I noticed that one of the tags you put on this thread was "Judgmentalism." Was that a reference to your motivation, or to a problem you appear to perceive only in others? It's a problem I perceive, but NOT only in others.
kiwi57 Posted October 31, 2017 Posted October 31, 2017 (edited) 21 hours ago, Five Solas said: You seem to have a penchant for insinuation, kiwi57. Those with whom you disagree must be hypocrites. Must they? I hadn't noticed. 21 hours ago, Five Solas said: I don't know that there are enough data points to declare a pattern--but readers might keep it in mind going forward. IOW, you want to plant your insinuation - based upon a bit of tendentious cherry-picking - in the minds of readers so that they will treat anything I post with suspicion. I believe this is called "poisoning the well." Edited November 1, 2017 by kiwi57 Expanded response 1
DJBrown Posted October 31, 2017 Posted October 31, 2017 The fruits of the gospel are good. No doubt about it. It is difficult to always see this in individuals. But consider the fact that studies have shown that active members of the church live longer than the average person in the society at large. For women- it is a 5 year difference. For men, it is almost a 10 year difference. That is pretty impressive. http://www.belnapfamily.org/brentjbelnap/institute/Preventive_Medicine_2008_Lifestyle_and_Mormon_Mortality_Enstrom.pdf Then you have the U PENN study showing that members of the church give more time and money to charity. Maybe that is the best fruit. http://planphilly.com/uploads/media_items/http-planphilly-com-sites-planphilly-com-files-cnaan_lds_giving-pdf.original.pdf 3
Meerkat Posted November 1, 2017 Posted November 1, 2017 (edited) On 10/27/2017 at 12:01 PM, stemelbow said: I'd say it falls in the tasteless range. Some good, some bad. I find that typical among members generally too. In most wards I've been in the talk has been that they feel they are above most of the world (a distinct we're in the world but not of it mentality), but on average I'd say members are no better or worse than most others. I think the fruits of this board bear that out. I'd say it's all good. "All things work together for good" kind of good. I'd say the people in the Church, for the most part, as the people on this board are sincere good hearted people. We are all learning how to communicate with kindness. Sometimes we do okay, sometimes not so much. But we are learning and getting better I think. I learn something from everybody here, even when I'm on a different wavelength than they are. I say things I regret. I get a like every now and then, which is encouraging. If this board weren't a good place to be, I doubt I doubt HappyJack, Bernard Gui, Calm, Stemelbow, Kenngo or the rest of you cool people would stick around. I don't think I would either. But there does seem to be a very sweet sociality here over all. That's my opinion. Hey, has anyone heard how Bill "Papa" Lee is doing? He needs our prayers, last I heard. Edited November 1, 2017 by Meerkat 3
theplains Posted November 4, 2017 Posted November 4, 2017 On 27/10/2017 at 2:49 PM, HappyJackWagon said: If one were to experiment on the word and judge the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints based on the fruits it bears as evidenced on this message board, what results do you feel that experiment would yield? Would the fruit seem good, evil, or tasteless? The answer would depend on whether you (assuming you are exalted) or Heavenly Father (a man who is believed to have become a God and Heavenly Father of Earth) believe that accepting worship from your own spirit children is evil. Jim
kiwi57 Posted November 4, 2017 Posted November 4, 2017 1 hour ago, theplains said: The answer would depend on whether you (assuming you are exalted) or Heavenly Father (a man who is believed to have become a God and Heavenly Father of Earth) believe that accepting worship from your own spirit children is evil. Jim Er, Jim? What's that got to do with the OP?
Kenngo1969 Posted November 4, 2017 Posted November 4, 2017 1 hour ago, theplains said: The answer would depend on whether you (assuming you are exalted) or Heavenly Father (a man who is believed to have become a God and Heavenly Father of Earth) believe that accepting worship from your own spirit children is evil. Jim 39 minutes ago, kiwi57 said: Er, Jim? What's that got to do with the OP? Trolls are fun to play with! They giggle when you tickle their bellies! 2
california boy Posted November 4, 2017 Posted November 4, 2017 On 10/28/2017 at 8:46 PM, JAHS said: If we judge by the fruits of the people on this board I would say it is quite the mixed fruit salad Some reliable crisp red apples Some sour grapes Some rotten bananas A few nuts. Are they a fruit? Tomatos. Try to fit in as a fruit but can't be accepted as such Nectarines - Sweet and delicious on the inside, but hard as a rock on the outside. Pineapples - Looks intimidating and dangerous, but is actually really sweet. Pumpkins - Makes a big impression but pretty much empty on the inside Which fruit are you? I am definitely a tomato. I don't fit in no matter how hard I try. Though the tomato is the least of the fruits, pretending to be more a vegetable, I am guessing that many see me as the biggest fruit on the board. Oh the irony.
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