Celestial Wives

[Calm]

3 hours ago, bcuzbcuz said:

Now you're just getting creepy.

No, the first post had enough 'creep' for me.

[JLHPROF]

2 hours ago, VideoGameJunkie said:

I always had a question to people who believe in polygamy in the afterlife. That question is what is the exact number of spouses do you think you'll have? 4? 20? 2 thousand? What's the limit and where are all these extra women supposed to come from to give every worthy man a fair amount of extra wives? The logistics of eternal polygamy doesn't make sense to me.

Silly question.
John Taylor had 10.  Brigham Young had 30+.  Joseph Fielding Smith had 3.

There will be as much variety there as there is here.  Which blessings you receive are up to the Lord and to your obedience.
As for worrying about distribution of the supposedly equal male/female demographics, I think we may not fully understand how lopsided the female to male ratio will end up being.

[Calm]

4 hours ago, cdowis said:

I probably should not have started this topic because there will be those who see this as a sexual relationship.

If marriage is eventually intended, they are most likely viewing each other as potential equal partners...so a sexual relationship.

[The Nehor]

6 minutes ago, Calm said:

Or just using the "sister wife" term for a plural wife.

For my great-great grandma both were true. When her husband was instructed to take another wife he talked it over with her. He doubted the wisdom of taking another wife but she encouraged him and offered to find his second wife. It ended up being her sister.

[The Nehor]

1 hour ago, CV75 said:

Don't give up hope! They didn't call her Pollgynanna for nothing!

Okay, just when I thought the thread couldn't get much creepier you reminded me of that horrible movie. Ugh.

[The Nehor]

10 minutes ago, JLHPROF said:

I think the morality of it depends on how involved in the choice God is.

I have known of cases where a dying wife or husband suggested a friend or someone as a future spouse and that can be kind of sweet. Planning for plural marriage when you both have at least a year to live is weird and probably not healthy. Just accept what you are and become swingers. It's more honest.

Edited January 9, 2017 by The Nehor

[JLHPROF]

3 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

I have known of cases where a dying wife or husband suggested a friend or someone as a future spouse and that can be kind of sweet. Planning for plural marriage when you both have at least a year to live is weird and probably not healthy. Just accept what you are and become swingers. It's more honest.

So is it better if one of the dying wives or husbands actually dies?
Like Robert Thompson, Mercy Fielding Thompson, and Hyrum Smith?

[Calm]

9 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

For my great-great grandma both were true. When her husband was instructed to take another wife he talked it over with her. He doubted the wisdom of taking another wife but she encouraged him and offered to find his second wife. It ended up being her sister.

Several of mine married sisters.

[The Nehor]

2 minutes ago, JLHPROF said:

So is it better if one of the dying wives or husbands actually dies?
Like Robert Thompson, Mercy Fielding Thompson, and Hyrum Smith?

If you get a revelation go for it. Ignore societal scorn.

If you are worried that your spouse will be lonely and make suggestions that is sweet.

I have a friend who has health problems way too young and has the possibility of sudden death. He has talked with his wife a little about what he is comfortable with when he is gone. That makes sense. I did find it a little weird that they went through their single friends and picked ones he would be okay with her remarrying. I am both honored and a little weirded out that I made the cut.  

[Calm]

3 minutes ago, JLHPROF said:

So is it better if one of the dying wives or husbands actually dies?
Like Robert Thompson, Mercy Fielding Thompson, and Hyrum Smith?

It may be hard to stay emotionally focused on each other when one starts planning what happens next before needful.  Humans tend to spend a lot of time imagining what the future holds, sometimes this is a good thing, but often when life is stressful it is used as an escape.

The mind may wander, even without intent when one is thinking of what one has lost to what they will have again in the future...with someone else.  And the dying spouse...when feeling low and a burden, perhaps will go to "is s/he thinking about the new spouse now and imaging how much better it will be then?"...not a burden I would give someone who probably has enough self esteem issues going on as the disease progresses and destroys much of what they once were.

[juliann]

18 hours ago, cdowis said:

Polygamy for this mortal life is forbidden.  Just try to get sealed to a second wife in the temple and alarm bells and klaxons will sound.  You have to be either divorced or a widower.

But what about a "sister -- wife" arrangement?  I know at least a couple of active, married (wife still living) LDS men who have made such an informal agreement with an older single sister,  I have been advised that it is rather tricky to make such an arrangement.  For example, one bishop, when he happened to find out, well, his head almost exploded and almost refused to renew the temple recommend, while another one was rather understanding and just shrugged his shoulders as long as they did nothing "out of bounds", so to speak.

The obvious questions, but let's assume there is no physical intimacy between them and they are generally circumspect about their relationship.  Is this fundamentally wrong?

Beyond creepy, is the "older woman" supposed to make it ok since we all know older women are physically disgusting or something, making it all on the up and up?  I can't imagine any bishop shrugging that off. There is that thing about lusting.....

Would it be ok for a woman to make such an informal agreement? Surely these dudes would be cool with that, right?

[bcuzbcuz]

1 hour ago, JLHPROF said:

Silly question.
John Taylor had 10.  Brigham Young had 30+.  Joseph Fielding Smith had 3.

There will be as much variety there as there is here.  Which blessings you receive are up to the Lord and to your obedience.
As for worrying about distribution of the supposedly equal male/female demographics, I think we may not fully understand how lopsided the female to male ratio will end up being.

I forget, are you married? Does your wife agree to your overt proclomations, frequent proclomations, your stated desires of having multiple wives in the future?

[Tacenda]

1 hour ago, Calm said:

No, the first post had enough 'creep' for me.

Yet JS marrying sisters, an adoptive daughter and a mother and daughter, doesn't? Or maybe it does.

[bcuzbcuz]

1 hour ago, JLHPROF said:

So is it better if one of the dying wives or husbands actually dies?
Like Robert Thompson, Mercy Fielding Thompson, and Hyrum Smith?

Once again, you guys are creeping me out.

[bcuzbcuz]

59 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

If you get a revelation go for it. Ignore societal scorn.

If you are worried that your spouse will be lonely and make suggestions that is sweet.

I have a friend who has health problems way too young and has the possibility of sudden death. He has talked with his wife a little about what he is comfortable with when he is gone. That makes sense. I did find it a little weird that they went through their single friends and picked ones he would be okay with her remarrying. I am both honored and a little weirded out that I made the cut.  

I know a guy who lost a leg in a work accident. He already a low self-esteem because he never learned how to read and had been passed over for a number of advancements at work.

Following his accident his self-esteem plumetted even further. I met him and his wife at a social function where he activley tried to get every single man in the group to dance with his wife. He obviously had a hip flask and became drunk as the event wore on. Towards the end of the evening he was encouraging men to dance closely with his wife, almost shouting out about his inability to dance. A week later he was found hanging in his cellar.

A dying man who tries to match up his wife to potential partners is grasping at straws to maintain control while his body is screaming that he has no control. 

Playing along with such a morbid game is virtually spitting on his grave.

[Calm]

1 hour ago, JLHPROF said:

There will be as much variety there as there is here.  Which blessings you receive are up to the Lord and to your obedience.

Because as everyone knows, variety in partners is about what marriage and heaven is all about.

[JLHPROF]

46 minutes ago, bcuzbcuz said:

I forget, are you married? Does your wife agree to your overt proclomations, frequent proclomations, your stated desires of having multiple wives in the future?

Yes.  I am.
I have NEVER once on this board nor anywhere else stated a desire to have multiple wives in the future.
I HAVE frequently expressed complete willingness and openness to living any law or ordinance God requires now or ever.
And yes, my wife agrees.
 

[JLHPROF]

16 minutes ago, Calm said:

Because as everyone knows, variety in partners is about what marriage and heaven is all about.

Funny Calm. 
You know full well I meant variety in intelligence, in authority, in receipt of blessings, including wives and children.
I believe the scriptures tell us that a virtuous wife is a great blessing don't they?
Not variety in kinds of partners.

If we believe Joseph, and Brigham, etc will have 30+ wives and Joseph Fielding Smith will have 3 and we will be monogamous, then there will clearly be variety in marriage in the Celestial Kingdom.
Heck, we know even the eternally single by choice will be there too.

Edited January 10, 2017 by JLHPROF

[The Nehor]

48 minutes ago, bcuzbcuz said:

I know a guy who lost a leg in a work accident. He already a low self-esteem because he never learned how to read and had been passed over for a number of advancements at work.

Following his accident his self-esteem plumetted even further. I met him and his wife at a social function where he activley tried to get every single man in the group to dance with his wife. He obviously had a hip flask and became drunk as the event wore on. Towards the end of the evening he was encouraging men to dance closely with his wife, almost shouting out about his inability to dance. A week later he was found hanging in his cellar.

A dying man who tries to match up his wife to potential partners is grasping at straws to maintain control while his body is screaming that he has no control. 

Playing along with such a morbid game is virtually spitting on his grave.

I fully believe that story but that is nothing like the sweeter stories I heard where the dying spouse was trying to convince the spouse that was going to live to remarry so they would not be alone. It was not a self-loathing thing but an attempt to overcome the living partner's intended (and possibly misguided) loyalty to stay single and not remarry.

It was not that......but it sounds like one more reason to avoid church dances.  

[The Nehor]

33 minutes ago, Calm said:

Because as everyone knows, variety in partners is about what marriage and heaven is all about.

I would share my thoughts on this but I would probably be kicked out of the thread for blaspheming so I will just smile and slowly back away.

[Calm]

2 hours ago, JLHPROF said:

Funny Calm. 
You know full well I meant variety in intelligence, in authority, in receipt of blessings, including wives and children.
I believe the scriptures tell us that a virtuous wife is a great blessing don't they?
Not variety in kinds of partners.

No, I read it as variety in partners.  My apologies for misunderstanding.

I would never intentionally misrepresent what someone said.

Edited January 10, 2017 by Calm

[rodheadlee]

11 hours ago, Bernard Gui said:

I did not serve there, but visited once with President Teddy Brewerton. We flew to the islands in a small air taxi from the Canal Zone. The islands had small airstrips cut from the jungle near the beaches 200 or so yards from the islands. This was the usual way to get there. The taxi ride was harrowing. Other access was by barges or larger boats, IIRC, run by Colombian traders.

Cool, we spent some time in Portobelo. It's between the San Blas Islands and Colon. We wanted to sail over there but the winter trade winds were honking. 

[bcuzbcuz]

11 hours ago, The Nehor said:

I fully believe that story but that is nothing like the sweeter stories I heard where the dying spouse was trying to convince the spouse that was going to live to remarry so they would not be alone. It was not a self-loathing thing but an attempt to overcome the living partner's intended (and possibly misguided) loyalty to stay single and not remarry.

It was not that......but it sounds like one more reason to avoid church dances.  

I lost my wife all of a sudden, no drawn out departure. I left for work in the morning, a few hours later my secretary said my wife was on the phone and that she was crying. I didn't even answer the phone, just rushed home. My wife lay collapsed over a pile of firewood by the fireplace, the phone still in her hand. Her first, whispered words were, "I'm dying." While waiting for the ambulance, that took 40 minutes to arrive, she managed to explain that she had been leaning over the bathtub, bathing our three year old, handicapped child. A tremendous pain had struck her heart. She had managed to put our child onto a floor mat, then crawled to the phone...such as I found her.

Four hours later I was staring dumb and stupefied, unable to comprehend the doctors words about what had happened. My wife had had major heart failure during the ambulance trip to the hospital and they were unable to save her, despite surgery. She was 45.

There had been no warning. My wife had been the picture of good health. 

Years earlier, during a playful conversation, the type most couples probably have, "Should I die, promise me you'll never re-marry." type. It was nonsense. Words with no deeper meaning than a simple, "Just tell me again that you love me."

I didn't re-marry, for 15 years. I was in no rush. Marriage is not simply choosing amongst the available candidates.

 

[bcuzbcuz]

12 hours ago, JLHPROF said:

Yes.  I am.
I have NEVER once on this board nor anywhere else stated a desire to have multiple wives in the future.
I HAVE frequently expressed complete willingness and openness to living any law or ordinance God requires now or ever.
And yes, my wife agrees.
 

You have no desire to have multiple wives in the future.....but you've talked about it with your wife and she agrees. So is that a "yes" or a "no"?

 

[JLHPROF]

57 minutes ago, bcuzbcuz said:

You have no desire to have multiple wives in the future.....but you've talked about it with your wife and she agrees. So is that a "yes" or a "no"?

 

If you don't understand the difference between being willing to obey God no matter what and desiring something for selfish reasons I can't help you.