LDS Religious Exemptions from Vaccination

[pogi]

2 hours ago, Calm said:

a rotavirus is what killed my dad. 

Thank you, and others for sharing your personal experiences.  I am really sorry to evoke such personal and tragic experiences for your families.  Vaccination can be a very sensitive subject due to personal experiences from both sides of the story.  I want to make it clear that I am not anti-vaccine, but also make it clear that vaccines are not without risks.  I simply feel that informed consent is a moral, and one could argue religious obligation that we should uphold.  

Edited November 8, 2016 by pogi

[Tacenda]

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Edited November 9, 2016 by Tacenda

[Marmonboy]

A chiropractor is the last person I would let treat my heart disease.

[waveslider]

1 hour ago, cinepro said:

Keep in mind that patents on medicine only last 20 years.  So you or anyone else can build a factory and make any medicine you want that was invented before 1996.

I know this, this is the reason colloidal Silver isn't still used in medicine. Although I have seen it used in medical stockings, weaved into material for burn victims, to prevent infections, and in creams that can be patented because they are compounds rather than just pure Silver. Both of which aren't even as effective as Colloidal and Ionic Silver because the patent expired long ago and no one can regulate it's use, so it is discredited by the medical schools which are funded by the big pharma companies.

No I nor anyone else can't just build a factory and start manufacturing drugs. Manufacturing drugs, also known as narcotics or controlled substances, is strictly prohibited without proper licensing by state and federal authorities. It's definitely not something the average Joe can do legally.

1 hour ago, cinepro said:

The process of identifying "better" medicines is quite rigorous, and all real medicines have "side effects," because a "side effect" is just another name for an "effect."  If a substance has no "side effects", then the promoter is simply telling you that it doesn't actually have any "effect" other than the placebo effect, or that they haven't done any actual studies to quantify the effectiveness (and safety!) of the substance.  Either way, it should be cause for skepticism.

The process of identifying, "better," medicines is only quite rigorous because of governmental regulations. For instance there are plenty of already well known, "better," medicines but governmental regulations won't allow them to make any claims of being medicinal at all, but are only allowed to be called, "food suppliments." I suggest you check out sites like this one; https://thetruthaboutcancer.com/ where you will see that there are indeed doctors and scientists that aren't able to use, "better," medicines, or are severely limited in their use, facing prison terms even for curing things like cancer, because of governmental regulations.

By the way, I didn't say, "no side effects," I said, "no unwanted side effects." There is a big difference there.

[bluebell]

3 minutes ago, waveslider said:

I know this, this is the reason colloidal Silver isn't still used in medicine. Although I have seen it used in medical stockings, weaved into material for burn victims, to prevent infections, and in creams that can be patented because they are compounds rather than just pure Silver. Both of which aren't even as effective as Colloidal and Ionic Silver because the patent expired long ago and no one can regulate it's use, so it is discredited by the medical schools which are funded by the big pharma companies.

 

You should look into the cleaning company Norwex.  They use colloid silver in a lot of their products, including microfiber cloths.

Norwex

[waveslider]

2 hours ago, cinepro said:

 

 

 

For those who are curious about "colloidal silver"

And there's always this...

 

Side effects indeed...

 

The picture you have posted here sure does look like a fake because of the color. I have posted a picture of what real Agryria looks like and it wasn't from true Colloidal Silver, but rather a Silver Nitrate. Colloical Silver is pure Silver broken down to a molecular level and suspended permanently (which is what, "Colloidal," means) in steam distilled water. Once you ad salt to the pure element of Silver it becomes a compound and is no longer considered a true Colloidal Silver.

That said, when I first studied it, and I studied it a lot, because of all the propaganda that is put out there that purposefully leaves out details in order to scare people into thinking that drugs are the only thing we should trust, like that from the FDA which you quoted from in your post. When I felt confident enough that I knew enough about it, I manufactured and drank it daily, in one once doses, for two years. I live in Hawaii and I am a surfer, so needless to say, I spend a lot of time in the sun. I have a pretty good tan going on here most of the time, but it is all normal tan color, not bluish grey. In those two years that I drank it daily, it got rid of two cysts that were growing on my upper back, besides the fact that I didn't even get so much as one cold the entire time. I have since stopped taking it daily and only use it when I feel something coming on because it gets rid of it so quickly, I don't really see the need to drink it as a preventative measure. I won't let disinformation scare me from it because with the proper knowledge of it's use I haven't found it to give me one unwanted side effect.

 

 

[waveslider]

2 hours ago, Tacenda said:

Good to know!!

Just make sure you do a lots of research on Colloidal and Ionic Silver before you decide to start using it, there are a lot of half witted things out there, as I'm sure you are already aware of.

[waveslider]

1 hour ago, bluebell said:

You should look into the cleaning company Norwex.  They use colloid silver in a lot of their products, including microfiber cloths.

Norwex

Thank you. It's nice to see people use Silver in place of toxic chemicals and things. Just so you know, Colloidal Silver is different than silver microfiber. Colloidal just means suspended permanently in a substance, meaning it won't ever settle to the bottom. In the case of Colloidal Silver, the Silver (.999 pure Silver) is broken down to nano sized particles and suspended into steamed distilled water, electromagnetically repelled from each other, which keeps them suspended permanently.

Edited November 9, 2016 by waveslider
Wanted to change a word

[strappinglad]

Life is deadly. When our ' best efforts '  result in this carnage , we are in serious trouble.

http://www.healthcareitnews.com/news/deaths-by-medical-mistakes-hit-records

just sayin'

[Tacenda]

3 hours ago, Marmonboy said:

A chiropractor is the last person I would let treat my heart disease.

Sorry Marmonboy, I deleted my post before I saw this. 

[Tacenda]

1 hour ago, waveslider said:

Just make sure you do a lots of research on Colloidal and Ionic Silver before you decide to start using it, there are a lot of half witted things out there, as I'm sure you are already aware of.

I will research if I'm going to try it.

[Marmonboy]

23 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

Sorry Marmonboy, I deleted my post before I saw this. 

All is forgiven!

[The Nehor]

7 hours ago, Tacenda said:

My husbands' and my friend gets a flu shot every year and gets a terrible flu each time. I've never gotten a flu shot, and I think I've had one really bad flu that put me down once in my life. I tend to think you're taking a gamble.

You cannot get the flu from a flu shot and a flu shot only makes you immune to the flu viruses they expect to be prevalent that season (there is a margin of error because they have to make the vaccine in advance and the prevalence can change. They generally do a pretty good job though. I get flu-like symptoms for a few hours when I get the flu shot but better then taking the chance of getting one of the flu bugs it would have blocked and being laid up for a week.

[The Nehor]

6 hours ago, waveslider said:

So far, since I have learned to make and use colloidal Silver, I haven't been severely sick from a pathogen since. Although life is a gamble anyway. One thing for sure, I will never take a flu shot. Colloidal Silver works better as far as I have seen.

I also know a guy who never brushes or flosses and never gets a cavity. He also eats a lot of ice cream. Based on this data we should all toss our toothbrushes and floss and chow down on Blue Bell ice cream. After all anecdotes are better then in-depth studies with control groups.

[waveslider]

1 minute ago, The Nehor said:

I also know a guy who never brushes or flosses and never gets a cavity. He also eats a lot of ice cream. Based on this data we should all toss our toothbrushes and floss and chow down on Blue Bell ice cream. After all anecdotes are better then in-depth studies with control groups.

It's okay, you can just write it all off as pure chance. Just keep watching your T.V. and buying things you don't need and all will be okay.

[The Nehor]

4 hours ago, waveslider said:

The process of identifying, "better," medicines is only quite rigorous because of governmental regulations. For instance there are plenty of already well known, "better," medicines but governmental regulations won't allow them to make any claims of being medicinal at all, but are only allowed to be called, "food suppliments." I suggest you check out sites like this one; https://thetruthaboutcancer.com/ where you will see that there are indeed doctors and scientists that aren't able to use, "better," medicines, or are severely limited in their use, facing prison terms even for curing things like cancer, because of governmental regulations.

By the way, I didn't say, "no side effects," I said, "no unwanted side effects." There is a big difference there.

I was going to doubt you and then I remembered that random websites that announce on the front page that the frankincense, myrrh, and gold the magi brought to the baby Jesus are, in fact, cancer cures are rigorously fact-checked so I have to uncritically accept that massages with "vital oils" cure cancer.

I am going to go cure my dying friend now with the 'definitely not false' hope your brilliant quack website recommends.

[waveslider]

2 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

I was going to doubt you and then I remembered that random websites that announce on the front page that the frankincense, myrrh, and gold the magi brought to the baby Jesus are, in fact, cancer cures are rigorously fact-checked so I have to uncritically accept that massages with "vital oils" cure cancer.

I am going to go cure my dying friend now with the 'definitely not false' hope your brilliant quack website recommends.

There is much more going on than what you quickly scanned. If you read a little more you will see that these are some of the top doctors, scientists and professionals in their fields, and there are a plethora of cancer survivors that Western medicine wrote off as hopeless and should get their affairs in order, who have lived more than two decades from these so called quack remedies, without cancer still, who are living proof that it works far better than the same old three approaches to cancer that haven't changed much in over 50 years, where they call someone cancer free who survives 5 years after their first diagnosis, even if they are riddled with cancer 5 years later and die. False hope is relative. Some of their methods have even saved a high school friend of mine who is alive and well, cancer free, many, many years after a nasty bout of breast cancer.

If you or someone you know has cancer you owe it to yourself to at least watch this:

 

[cinepro]

3 hours ago, waveslider said:

Thank you. It's nice to see people use Silver in place of toxic chemicals and things. Just so you know, Colloidal Silver is different than silver microfiber. Colloidal just means suspended permanently in a substance, meaning it won't ever settle to the bottom. In the case of Colloidal Silver, the Silver (.999 pure Silver) is broken down to nano sized particles and suspended into steamed distilled water, electromagnetically repelled from each other, which keeps them suspended permanently.

Uh, silver is a toxic chemical (and the human body has no need or use for silver).  You're basically saying "It's nice to see people use [a toxic chemical] in place of toxic chemicals and things."  

Silver as an anti-biotic was popular in the days of pre-scientific medicine, along with lead and mercury based concoctions.

 

[waveslider]

4 minutes ago, cinepro said:

Uh, silver is a toxic chemical (and the human body has no need or use for silver).  You're basically saying "It's nice to see people use [a toxic chemical] in place of toxic chemicals and things."  

Silver as an anti-biotic was popular in the days of pre-scientific medicine, along with lead and mercury based concoctions.

 

Okay, I guess everyone better throw away all their silver, and white gold jewelry because it is so highly toxic. Wake up and realize it isn't as toxic as you think. It certainly isn't as toxic as Mercury and Lead. Talking about Mercury based concoctions is what the OP is all about.

[Yirgacheffe]

11 hours ago, pogi said:

At some point however, vaccines will have been so effective in the US that the risk for serious adverse events from vaccination will actually be greater than the risk for disease the vaccine is protecting against.

Can that be the case when you have people traveling to the US from all parts of the world, does the US require proof of vaccination to enter the country, if not are we only as safe as the vaccination level of other countries?  If we reach herd protection here but let tourists in from anywhere without the same level of protection what good is it for those not vaccinated?  Should we feel safe enough that those around us haven't been, and will never be exposed to serious illnesses that we just skip on vaccines altogether.  There has been an increase in cases of mumps in my area, I never heard of a case of mumps my entire life until the anti-vaccine movement.  Nothing you have said has softened my view on vaccines.

[Yirgacheffe]

9 hours ago, Tacenda said:

http://www.vaccinesandyou.com/adult/home/

Just found out that the reason my brother and sister in law didn't make it to our recent family reunion was because they caught whooping cough. It turned into a terrible fiasco, especially when they were basically quaranteed from others and the ward had to warn others about it. I think some other members caught it too. 

I think many of us, myself included, need to update our vaccines, because theirs had expired without their knowledge apparently!  

ETA: http://www.cdc.gov/Features/AdultImmunizations/

I mentioned mumps in a previous post but Whooping cough, made a particularly ugly visit to a friends family.  Heartbreaking but ultimately turned out well, combined with our local Mumps surge it convinced us to look into it and we have now updated our vaccinations.

[Yirgacheffe]

4 hours ago, waveslider said:

besides the fact that I didn't even get so much as one cold the entire time

Um, I haven't had a cold in years, and I take nothing, I even drink a beer here and there.

[Tacenda]

1 hour ago, The Nehor said:

You cannot get the flu from a flu shot and a flu shot only makes you immune to the flu viruses they expect to be prevalent that season (there is a margin of error because they have to make the vaccine in advance and the prevalence can change. They generally do a pretty good job though. I get flu-like symptoms for a few hours when I get the flu shot but better then taking the chance of getting one of the flu bugs it would have blocked and being laid up for a week.

I don't know why it happens, must just be a coincidence. Sorry for my grammar, I don't have a lot of husbands. I noticed I put husbands'. 

[waveslider]

28 minutes ago, Yirgacheffe said:

Um, I haven't had a cold in years, and I take nothing, I even drink a beer here and there.

Do you have cysts that shrank into nothing too? My kids were going to school at the time and I was exposed to all kinds of colds and things from them and their friends. My kids always got well in 24 hours or less because I dosed them with Colloidal Silver once every six hours when they got sick, while their friends would be out of school for a few days at a time. The only things it didn't work on were one time when my kids got lice from school, I had to use olive oil and shower caps to keep the hair from staining the pillows every third day, as I washed and dried all the clothes and bedding, and that worked perfect for the lice epidemic.

[waveslider]

12 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

I don't know why it happens, must just be a coincidence. Sorry for my grammar, I don't have a lot of husbands. I noticed I put husbands'. 

I have noticed the same coincidence myself, so you aren't alone in that observation.