cinepro Posted October 31, 2016 Posted October 31, 2016 (edited) 20 hours ago, Atheist Mormon said: "Amnesty for Sexual Assault Victims" How is it possible to perceive someone guilty under this circumstances? Am I missing something here? You may be missing what so many other people have missed. "Sexual assault victims" weren't being punished for being the victim of sexual assault. They were being punished for other honor code violations that may have come to light in connection with the assault (drinking or drug use, curfew and housing violations etc.) They now get "amnesty" for these violations if they're coincident to an assault, but it sounds like they are still expected to correct the behavior. Edited October 31, 2016 by cinepro 3
Atheist Mormon Posted October 31, 2016 Posted October 31, 2016 1 hour ago, cinepro said: You may be missing what so many other people have missed. "Sexual assault victims" weren't being punished for being the victim of sexual assault. They were being punished for other honor code violations that may have come to light in connection with the assault (drinking or drug use, curfew and housing violations etc.) They now get "amnesty" for these violations as well. Thank you. Well explained.
Robert F. Smith Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 Baylor University, which is the Baptist equivalent of BYU, has had enormous problems with their honor code and Title IX compliance, leading to the firing of hypocrite Kenneth Starr -- who was President of Baylor. See the CBS News story here: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/baylor-official-addresses-mishandled-sexual-assault-allegation-against-star-football-player/ .
bluebell Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 On 10/30/2016 at 3:59 PM, Atheist Mormon said: "Amnesty for Sexual Assault Victims" How is it possible to perceive someone guilty under this circumstances? Am I missing something here? I'm not sure what you're asking. I never said anything about perceived guilt.
Atheist Mormon Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 1 hour ago, bluebell said: I'm not sure what you're asking. I never said anything about perceived guilt. "Amnesty for Sexual Assault Victims" What is this mean? (in your opinion). Other than what cinepro explained.
bluebell Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 12 minutes ago, Atheist Mormon said: "Amnesty for Sexual Assault Victims" What is this mean? (in your opinion). Other than what cinepro explained. There isn't an 'other than what cinepro explained'. HIs answer is the answer. BYU is offering amnesty from other honor code violations to victims of sexual assault. 2
Robert F. Smith Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 https://news.byu.edu/sites/default/files/AdvisoryCouncilReport.pdf The BYU alumni magazine, BYU Today, features this, saying Quote Creating a Safer Campus BYU’s Advisory Council on Campus Response to Sexual Assault has completed its study, and the President’s Council has reviewed and accepted all recommendations, including the adoption of an amnesty clause to encourage reporting. Read the Q&A or the full report. 2
Avatar4321 Posted November 2, 2016 Posted November 2, 2016 Not a surprising move. Of course the honor code, if followed would keep more people from being in a position of being assaulted 1
Calm Posted November 2, 2016 Posted November 2, 2016 (edited) Probably a lot more from being assaulters. Quote In 1 in 3 sexual assaults, the perpetrator was intoxicated (1)... 43% of the sexual victimization incidents involve alcohol consumption by victims and 69% involve alcohol consumption by the perpetrators (2) http://www.campussafetymagazine.com/article/Sexual-Assault-Statistics-and-Myths# Edited November 2, 2016 by Calm 3
Scott Lloyd Posted November 5, 2016 Posted November 5, 2016 On 11/2/2016 at 5:05 PM, Calm said: Probably a lot more from being assaulters. http://www.campussafetymagazine.com/article/Sexual-Assault-Statistics-and-Myths# Yep. Honor code observance is a good idea all around. It gets back to the idea of standing in holy places. There is a great deal of safety in doing what you should be doing when you should be doing it in places where you ought to be spending your time. We'll call it the what-when-where safeguard.
Calm Posted November 5, 2016 Posted November 5, 2016 34 minutes ago, thesometimesaint said: Stop blaming the victim. Who are you accusing of doing this?
thesometimesaint Posted November 5, 2016 Posted November 5, 2016 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Calm said: Who are you accusing of doing this? All those that claim that victims are somehow responsible for their being sexually assaulted. It was the dress she wore; or she was outdoors at night; or she said no, but I know she meant yes; or she had some alcohol; or she was at a party. I'm rich, and famous so I can get away with it; I'm on the football team, so its fine; The list is practically endless of excuses to blame the victim. Edited November 5, 2016 by thesometimesaint 1
Calm Posted November 5, 2016 Posted November 5, 2016 2 minutes ago, thesometimesaint said: All those that claim that victims are somehow responsible for their being sexually assaulted. It was the dress she wore; or she was outdoors at night; or she said no, but I know she meant yes; or she had some alcohol; or she was at a party. I rich, and famous so I can get away with it; I'm on the football team, so its fine; The list is practically endless of excuses to blame the victim. And do you see anyone in this thread doing so? 1
Danzo Posted November 5, 2016 Posted November 5, 2016 42 minutes ago, thesometimesaint said: All those that claim that victims are somehow responsible for their being sexually assaulted. It was the dress she wore; or she was outdoors at night; or she said no, but I know she meant yes; or she had some alcohol; or she was at a party. I'm rich, and famous so I can get away with it; I'm on the football team, so its fine; The list is practically endless of excuses to blame the victim. I see you are opposed to taking precautions to prevent rape. why? 1
thesometimesaint Posted November 5, 2016 Posted November 5, 2016 2 minutes ago, Danzo said: I see you are opposed to taking precautions to prevent rape. why? Why are you making excuses for rapists?
Calm Posted November 5, 2016 Posted November 5, 2016 7 minutes ago, thesometimesaint said: Why are you making excuses for rapists? Are you going to answer my question or avoid it? If I need to repeat it, is there anyone you see in this thread who is blaming the victim?
Danzo Posted November 5, 2016 Posted November 5, 2016 16 minutes ago, thesometimesaint said: Why are you making excuses for rapists? It seems you want rapists unimpeded access to their victims. You want the victims nice and drunk so they can't resist. You want the victims' judgement impaired. You want the victims to be completely trusting. You don't want the potential victims a chance to get a way. You may be accusing me of making excuses for rapists (which I am not) but you seem to want to shut down all talk of stopping the rape in the first place
Scott Lloyd Posted November 5, 2016 Posted November 5, 2016 53 minutes ago, Calm said: Are you going to answer my question or avoid it? If I need to repeat it, is there anyone you see in this thread who is blaming the victim? I'm curious about that too. It seemed to come right out of the blue, yet I have not seen anyone on this thread so far "blaming the victim." For the record, I, for one, am totally opposed to blaming the victim.
Avatar4321 Posted November 6, 2016 Posted November 6, 2016 4 hours ago, thesometimesaint said: Why are you making excuses for rapists? How does taking actions for preventing rape excuse rapists of anything? 1
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