JLHPROF Posted October 26, 2016 Posted October 26, 2016 Interesting question posed on blog - http://juvenileinstructor.org/19491-2/ If historians are seeking a sort of “trigger year” where Mormonism struck out on a new course, what date would be more appropriate than 1890? Both the blog author and the comments provide a huge variety of perspectives. And there have obviously been several years we could mention. So what year/years do you think were the most significant in altering the course of Mormonism?
Duncan Posted October 26, 2016 Posted October 26, 2016 Just now, JLHPROF said: Interesting question posed on blog - http://juvenileinstructor.org/19491-2/ If historians are seeking a sort of “trigger year” where Mormonism struck out on a new course, what date would be more appropriate than 1890? Both the blog author and the comments provide a huge variety of perspectives. And there have obviously been several years we could mention. So what year/years do you think were the most significant in altering the course of Mormonism? I'd say 1995-2000 When Pres. Hinckley came into being President. New Temples galore, new conference centre, rebuilding the Nauvoo Temple, changes in Organization, Larry King thing-I can't recall when the renewing of the Temple recommends went from 1-2 years but maybe it was afterwards. Also 1978 when everyone could get the Priesthood and it was the year I was born so good things happened in the '70's 1
ALarson Posted October 26, 2016 Posted October 26, 2016 (edited) 8 minutes ago, JLHPROF said: Interesting question posed on blog - http://juvenileinstructor.org/19491-2/ If historians are seeking a sort of “trigger year” where Mormonism struck out on a new course, what date would be more appropriate than 1890? Both the blog author and the comments provide a huge variety of perspectives. And there have obviously been several years we could mention. So what year/years do you think were the most significant in altering the course of Mormonism? Great question and discussion! Maybe 1904 was when the real change occurred rather than 1890? Also, the year that correlation began maybe? I don't know if that can even be pinpointed down to a specific year though (?). . Edited October 26, 2016 by ALarson
JLHPROF Posted October 26, 2016 Author Posted October 26, 2016 I think for me I would have to say 1923 when President Grant authorized the first series of significant changes to the temple and garment. Prior to that time there had been minor changes of course, but nothing I would consider a fundamental part of the ordinance. And then of course 1990 completely altered the ordinance.
ksfisher Posted October 26, 2016 Posted October 26, 2016 36 minutes ago, JLHPROF said: Interesting question posed on blog - http://juvenileinstructor.org/19491-2/ If historians are seeking a sort of “trigger year” where Mormonism struck out on a new course, what date would be more appropriate than 1890? Both the blog author and the comments provide a huge variety of perspectives. And there have obviously been several years we could mention. So what year/years do you think were the most significant in altering the course of Mormonism? 1820 1
JLHPROF Posted October 26, 2016 Author Posted October 26, 2016 Just now, ksfisher said: 1820 And how did the first year of Mormonism change Mormonism?
Gray Posted October 26, 2016 Posted October 26, 2016 Maybe with the arrival of the Book of Abraham? Would that have marked the beginning of the transformation of the church from mostly orthodox protestantism to something entirely unorthodox?
ksfisher Posted October 26, 2016 Posted October 26, 2016 (edited) 3 hours ago, JLHPROF said: And how did the first year of Mormonism change Mormonism? Without the First Vision nothing that came after would be the same. The moment before the restoration began compared to after Joseph's vision would seem to be the moment of most change. Edited October 26, 2016 by ksfisher
Michael Sanders Posted October 26, 2016 Posted October 26, 2016 1841-1842 Red Brick Store Endowment of the Annointed Quorum Masonry Plural Marriage Book of Abraham John C. Bennet Controversy A significant "trigger year where mormonism struck out on a new course" in my humble opinion. Michael Sanders Book of Mormon Believer Independence, MO 2
JLHPROF Posted October 26, 2016 Author Posted October 26, 2016 12 minutes ago, Michael Sanders said: 1841-1842 Red Brick Store Endowment of the Annointed Quorum Masonry Plural Marriage Book of Abraham John C. Bennet Controversy A significant "trigger year where mormonism struck out on a new course" in my humble opinion. Agreed. Prior to that time period the Church wasn't completely different from most other Christian Churches other than a few doctrines.
phaedrus ut Posted October 26, 2016 Posted October 26, 2016 If we exclude the enormous changes that happened in the founding years of the church two specific years come to mind. 1844 with the death of Joseph Smith. The second would be 1904 with the second manifesto that was the point that actually ended the practice of polygamy. This was also the beginning of the fundamentalist Mormons who wished to continue to practice polygamy. Phaedrus
The Nehor Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 The failed Danite plot to set up a world government in 1923. A sad day.
mfbukowski Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 3 hours ago, Jeanne said: 1978 Priesthood ban lifted for black LDS. 1852 Brigham Young starts it. http://www.fairmormon.org/perspectives/fair-conferences/2015-fairmormon-conference/rethinking-the-mormon-racial-story
Michael Sanders Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 4 hours ago, JLHPROF said: Agreed. Prior to that time period the Church wasn't completely different from most other Christian Churches other than a few doctrines. I don't think I'd quite go that far - the first vision in the grove, the coming forth of the Book of Mormon through the choice seer, restoration of priesthood keys and salvific ordinances, the notion of continuing revelation, talk of angels visiting men on earth, the regathering of the house of Israel, and all the events leading up to the Kirtland endowments where quite "different" and unique for that milieu in the burned over district, thus the great persecutions that visited the saints among other reasons. Mike
JLHPROF Posted October 27, 2016 Author Posted October 27, 2016 25 minutes ago, VideoGameJunkie said: 1843 polygamy introduced. 1843? Joseph had been living it for years before 1843. Brigham didn't publicly have it announced to the Church until 1852. But 1843 was the first year the crowning exalting ordinance was given, the highest ordinance available to man on earth. So I could go with 1843.
bcuzbcuz Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 13 hours ago, JLHPROF said: 1843? Joseph had been living it for years before 1843. Brigham didn't publicly have it announced to the Church until 1852. But 1843 was the first year the crowning exalting ordinance was given, the highest ordinance available to man on earth. So I could go with 1843. What year did the church change it's policy regarding abortion? I know for a fact that a pregnant woman in our ward was given the OK by the leadership to have an abortion. She was carrying twins and contracted rubella in the third month of her pregnancy. It was medically determined that her twins would be born with deformities, so the abortion was granted. That was around 1970-72, and the idea was that the fetus acquired its spirit at birth. When did the church change their policy to essentially forbid abortions?
JLHPROF Posted October 27, 2016 Author Posted October 27, 2016 6 minutes ago, bcuzbcuz said: What year did the church change it's policy regarding abortion? I know for a fact that a pregnant woman in our ward was given the OK by the leadership to have an abortion. She was carrying twins and contracted rubella in the third month of her pregnancy. It was medically determined that her twins would be born with deformities, so the abortion was granted. That was around 1970-72, and the idea was that the fetus acquired its spirit at birth. When did the church change their policy to essentially forbid abortions? I won't participate in a derail with you. Get your own thread.
smac97 Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 17 hours ago, phaedrus ut said: If we exclude the enormous changes that happened in the founding years of the church two specific years come to mind. 1844 with the death of Joseph Smith. The second would be 1904 with the second manifesto that was the point that actually ended the practice of polygamy. This was also the beginning of the fundamentalist Mormons who wished to continue to practice polygamy. Phaedrus I concur with Phaedrus. 1844, which saw the murder of Joseph Smith, the subsequent Succession Crisis, the transition of leadership to Brigham Young, and the associated precedents set during and because of these events, was probably the most significant year of the Church. Thanks, -Smac
thesometimesaint Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 When we truly became an international church as opposed to a Utah one.
JLHPROF Posted October 27, 2016 Author Posted October 27, 2016 3 minutes ago, thesometimesaint said: When we truly became an international church as opposed to a Utah one. When would you place that? Under President McKay? After the 1978 Revelation? Or more recently?
bcuzbcuz Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 1 hour ago, JLHPROF said: I won't participate in a derail with you. Get your own thread. Good answer. I should have used it when you blindsided me with your derailing comment, yesterday.
JLHPROF Posted October 27, 2016 Author Posted October 27, 2016 Just now, bcuzbcuz said: Good answer. I should have used it when you blindsided me with your derailing comment, yesterday. I think addressing abortion on a thread questioning surrogacy is completely related. Especially when our societal values are SO bass ackwards. But on a thread about the significant historical periods of the Church? Derail.
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