Rivers Posted April 17, 2016 Posted April 17, 2016 D&C 89:17 says that barley can be used for mild drinks. What alcohol content level would make something a mild barley drink?
thesometimesaint Posted April 17, 2016 Posted April 17, 2016 There is no established level of alcohol in D&C 89. But common sense seems to suggest that drinking enough to get drunk isn't a good thing. Barley Water is an ancient beverage with no alcohol.
flameburns623 Posted April 17, 2016 Posted April 17, 2016 12 minutes ago, Rivers said: D&C 89:17 says that barley can be used for mild drinks. What alcohol content level would make something a mild barley drink? "Mormon coffees" (Postum, Caffree, DandyBlend, etc) are barley drinks. Zero alcohol content. Usually just roasted barley, roasted rye, roasted chickory, and perhaps a cpuple other flavorings. 2
BookofMormonLuvr Posted April 17, 2016 Posted April 17, 2016 I do accept beer as a mild barley drink- I try to keep it max. in the 5-6% range, when I do have one beer, at night, a few times a year. I've had a 6 pack of Angry Orchard in the fridge for weeks, still have two left. 1
Popular Post Jeanne Posted April 17, 2016 Popular Post Posted April 17, 2016 IMO. Just about any mild barley drink would trump all the dangerous energy crap a lot of people are guzzling..like my son! 5
theplains Posted April 17, 2016 Posted April 17, 2016 Beer was allowed in the early days. http://www.dialoguejournal.com/wp-content/uploads/sbi/articles/Dialogue_V14N03_80.pdf Jim
ALarson Posted April 17, 2016 Posted April 17, 2016 (edited) 20 minutes ago, theplains said: Beer was allowed in the early days. http://www.dialoguejournal.com/wp-content/uploads/sbi/articles/Dialogue_V14N03_80.pdf Jim Didn't Brigham Young have a brewery at one time? (I remember reading this, but I'd need to look it up....maybe it was distilleries?). . Edited April 17, 2016 by ALarson
carbon dioxide Posted April 17, 2016 Posted April 17, 2016 1 hour ago, ALarson said: Didn't Brigham Young have a brewery at one time? (I remember reading this, but I'd need to look it up....maybe it was distilleries?). . Sure. The Word of Wisdom revelation specifically says it was originally given as counsel and not a commandment. Only later were some aspects raised to a higher level of obedience.
smac97 Posted April 17, 2016 Posted April 17, 2016 55 minutes ago, ALarson said: Didn't Brigham Young have a brewery at one time? (I remember reading this, but I'd need to look it up....maybe it was distilleries?). . I also think he had winemaking interests in St. George. Here's an article on this general subject. Thanks, -Smac
JAHS Posted April 17, 2016 Posted April 17, 2016 1 hour ago, theplains said: Beer was allowed in the early days. http://www.dialoguejournal.com/wp-content/uploads/sbi/articles/Dialogue_V14N03_80.pdf Jim The History of the Church states that while in Carthage jail the prisoners sent for some wine to"revive their spirits", to help them cope with the depressing situation (HC 7:101). There were a lot of things members of the early church did that we don't do now, based on the "line upon line, precept on precept" method that God uses to teach and govern His children. Joseph Smith and other early church leaders drank wine and beer on occasion. Joseph Smith even had a bar in his home to offer drinks to traveling visitors and wine was used for the Sacrament. Later it was changed to water. Strict compliance to the doctrine was not practiced until many years later. It wasn't until as late as 1930 that strict adherence to the Word of Wisdom was required for a Temple recommend. President Joseph F. Smith taught that the Lord did not insist on strict compliance in the early years in order to allow a generation addicted to noxious substances some years to discard bad habits. 1
Atheist Mormon Posted April 17, 2016 Posted April 17, 2016 2 hours ago, BookofMormonLuvr said: I do accept beer as a mild barley drink- I try to keep it max. in the 5-6% range, when I do have one beer, at night, a few times a year. I've had a 6 pack of Angry Orchard in the fridge for weeks, still have two left. Can U drink beer & get a temple rec.?
BookofMormonLuvr Posted April 17, 2016 Posted April 17, 2016 16 minutes ago, Atheist Mormon said: Can U drink beer & get a temple rec.? I'm not LDS, I am not the one to ask- but I doubt it- if you use the modern organizations interpretation of adherence. 1
JAHS Posted April 17, 2016 Posted April 17, 2016 1 hour ago, Atheist Mormon said: Can U drink beer & get a temple rec.? You cannot drink and drive and you and you can not be sipping a beer during your temple recommend interview. The answer to your question is, no. 2
BookofMormonLuvr Posted April 17, 2016 Posted April 17, 2016 I also believe "hot" is referring to the temperature. I have developed a bit of a liking for Brisk 1/2 & 1/2 Ice Tea (Arnold Palmer)
Coreyb Posted April 17, 2016 Posted April 17, 2016 A little history of "mild" ale should help give some context to what a nineteenth century person might have meant by the term "mild barley drinks". Personally I don't see the word of wisdom revelation giving a general ban on all alcohol. I suppose you could drink beer responsibly and still qualify for a temple recommend. All they ask is if you observe it. The rest is up to your own conscience. How do you justify eating meat every day though? 😏 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mild_ale 2
JAHS Posted April 17, 2016 Posted April 17, 2016 21 minutes ago, BookofMormonLuvr said: I also believe "hot" is referring to the temperature. I have developed a bit of a liking for Brisk 1/2 & 1/2 Ice Tea (Arnold Palmer) "hot" refers to hot black coffee and hot black tea. Any other interpretation beyond that is left up to the member.
Jeanne Posted April 17, 2016 Posted April 17, 2016 48 minutes ago, JAHS said: You cannot drink and drive and you and you can not be sipping a beer during your temple recommend interview. The answer to your question is, no.
Jeanne Posted April 17, 2016 Posted April 17, 2016 In any case, medically, coffee is touted for a lot of good things for the body..and heck..I use to was my hair in beer and use tea for facials..(I need all the help I can get people)...
ALarson Posted April 17, 2016 Posted April 17, 2016 3 hours ago, smac97 said: I also think he had winemaking interests in St. George. Here's an article on this general subject. Thanks, -Smac Thanks for the reference. I thought I remembered reading something about this...I'll read what you posted
Rivers Posted April 17, 2016 Author Posted April 17, 2016 4 hours ago, carbon dioxide said: Sure. The Word of Wisdom revelation specifically says it was originally given as counsel and not a commandment. Only later were some aspects raised to a higher level of obedience. So it really comes down to following the specific restrictions outlined by our modern prophets. The letter of the word of wisdom and what is enforced today is clearly not exactly the same. 1
Jim Stiles Posted April 18, 2016 Posted April 18, 2016 3 hours ago, BookofMormonLuvr said: I also believe "hot" is referring to the temperature. I have developed a bit of a liking for Brisk 1/2 & 1/2 Ice Tea (Arnold Palmer) I like Arnold Palmers also. Can you find diet Arnold Palmers in the midwest? Are you a member of the Community of Christ?
BookofMormonLuvr Posted April 18, 2016 Posted April 18, 2016 1 hour ago, Rivers said: So it really comes down to following the specific restrictions outlined by our modern prophets. The letter of the word of wisdom and what is enforced today is clearly not exactly the same. I seem to remember a certain group of men who put a safety net (extra rules) around the established rules, and Messiah being none too happy with them. 1
Jim Stiles Posted April 18, 2016 Posted April 18, 2016 6 hours ago, ALarson said: Didn't Brigham Young have a brewery at one time? (I remember reading this, but I'd need to look it up....maybe it was distilleries?). . I heard about a distillery in the Salt Lake area during pioneer days, but ethanol was used extensively in the pharmaceutical industry of the time. A comedian in the Netherlands told a joke about how a brand of NA beer was the Reformed Church beer because you do not drunk on it, and the manufacturer of the NA beer had to dropped it due to low sales.
Jim Stiles Posted April 18, 2016 Posted April 18, 2016 3 hours ago, Coreyb said: A little history of "mild" ale should help give some context to what a nineteenth century person might have meant by the term "mild barley drinks". Personally I don't see the word of wisdom revelation giving a general ban on all alcohol. I suppose you could drink beer responsibly and still qualify for a temple recommend. All they ask is if you observe it. The rest is up to your own conscience. How do you justify eating meat every day though? 😏 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mild_ale Looking the ABV, mild ale appears to be an excellent beer for children. One LCMS pastor told me about the practice of dropping a little bit of wine into a class of water for communion of persons who have drinking problems. That seems OK for me for churches that commune children.
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