Three Missionaries Injured in Blast

[flameburns623]

2 hours ago, Stargazer said:

Yes, scr*w that question, definitely.  Another Army veteran here.  Scott, "scr*w" is not indelicate -- it's Harvey Milquetoast compared to what I was used to for 8 glorious years.

So, flameburns623, when were you in, and what did you do?  '75 - '83 here, and 11C, 13F, and 26L.  2/39 INF, 1/11 FA, (9th Inf Div), and AFCENT (Germany) 

78-82, Air Defense Artillery, Chapparral and Redeye missile systems.

 

[sunstoned]

9 hours ago, Ahab said:

Honestly when something like this happens, something really bad/terrible/evil I mean, my first thought is usually something about how much trouble the evil-doers are in for causing that bad/terrible/evil thing to happen. 

The missionaries who got injured have the least to worry about, in an eternal perspective,  while the people who blew themselves up and caused all of that harm to other people are in some very big trouble. 

Better to die and go to paradise than to blow yourself up and go to spirit prison.  And if the missionaries don't die I'm pretty sure they would be even more anxious to try to help more people avoid getting themselves in as much trouble as those people who blew themselves up and harmed/killed other people too besides themselves. 

I woke up this morning and checked my feeds and saw the headlines.  I am sad. Sad beyond words.  How can we as the family of man do this to ourselves?

[ERayR]

10 hours ago, sunstoned said:

I woke up this morning and checked my feeds and saw the headlines.  I am sad. Sad beyond words.  How can we as the family of man do this to ourselves?

WE don't.  Those who practice unrighteous dominion do.

[Ahab]

2 hours ago, ERayR said:

WE don't.  Those who practice unrighteous dominion do.

I suppose that is what it is, isn't it.

I sometimes have to separate myself from other people when they act unrighteously without regard for my presence and preferred way of life but to destroy people or to even want to destroy people for doing things that are opposed to me or my will... well, that's just not something I believe any of us on this Earth should be doing.

Or is it only unrighteous dominion when unrighteous people do it?

What are righteous people supposed to do in response to that kind of thing, do you think?

[ERayR]

2 hours ago, Ahab said:

Or is it only unrighteous dominion when unrighteous people do it?

What are righteous people supposed to do in response to that kind of thing, do you think?

It is unrighteous dominion because of its nature not because of who does it.  I suppose you could say doing unrighteous dominion would make one unrighteous.

I do not think that righteous people are required to submit to unrighteous dominion.

[JAHS]

Senior missionary injured in Brussels explosion in medically-induced coma

"Elder Norby sustained several wounds from the shrapnel and second-degree burns to his head and neck area, church officials said. He received severe trauma from the shrapnel to his lower leg, and after a lengthy surgery, was placed in a medically-induced coma. Church officials said Elder Norby would remain in the coma for the next few days and a lengthy recovery is expected."

[Ahab]

23 hours ago, ERayR said:

It is unrighteous dominion because of its nature not because of who does it.  I suppose you could say doing unrighteous dominion would make one unrighteous.

I do not think that righteous people are required to submit to unrighteous dominion.

The nature of it being unrighteous people placing bombs to blow up people who were righteous, righteous in this case in the sense that they were not doing anything wrong/unrighteous in the airport to try to travel somewhere.  Is that what you mean by the nature of it?

Righteous people seek to destroy unrighteous people too in some cases but we don't consider that to be unrighteous because when righteous people do it it is not unrighteous. Right? 

More clarification of what you mean would be somewhat helpful here.

[Stargazer]

On 3/23/2016 at 7:53 PM, flameburns623 said:

78-82, Air Defense Artillery, Chapparral and Redeye missile systems.

 

Sweet!  Shooting down fast movers!  Almost as fun as putting steel on target!

Aren't you glad you never had to do it for real?  I sure am.

[Stargazer]

On 3/23/2016 at 10:23 AM, Ahab said:

I suppose that is what it is, isn't it.

I sometimes have to separate myself from other people when they act unrighteously without regard for my presence and preferred way of life but to destroy people or to even want to destroy people for doing things that are opposed to me or my will... well, that's just not something I believe any of us on this Earth should be doing.

Or is it only unrighteous dominion when unrighteous people do it?

What are righteous people supposed to do in response to that kind of thing, do you think?

It is unrighteous dominion even when a nominally righteous person does it.

One answer to your last question is to carry concealed so as to put a stop to it if it occurs.  At least on the personal level.

[Stargazer]

24 minutes ago, Ahab said:

The nature of it being unrighteous people placing bombs to blow up people who were righteous, righteous in this case in the sense that they were not doing anything wrong/unrighteous in the airport to try to travel somewhere.  Is that what you mean by the nature of it?

Righteous people seek to destroy unrighteous people too in some cases but we don't consider that to be unrighteous because when righteous people do it it is not unrighteous. Right? 

More clarification of what you mean would be somewhat helpful here.

In Washington state last week or so, an axe-wielding man attacked a convenience store clerk and a customer, injuring the clerk before the customer pulled out his legally-carried concealed pistol and shot the attacker dead.  The attacker was exercising extreme unrighteous dominion, and the customer terminated his attempt to do so by exercising righteous dominion.  

 

[flameburns623]

1 hour ago, Stargazer said:

Sweet!  Shooting down fast movers!  Almost as fun as putting steel on target!

Aren't you glad you never had to do it for real?  I sure am.

I spent most of my tour in Europe during the Cold War. 

It was assumed we who were there would be little more than speed bumps and/or canon fodder for any Soviet-style blitzkrieg, while thw Rapid Deployment Force was being readied to push the Russians back.

If the war had ever come, odds are I would be pushing up flowers in Flanders fields.

[Ahab]

2 hours ago, Stargazer said:

In Washington state last week or so, an axe-wielding man attacked a convenience store clerk and a customer, injuring the clerk before the customer pulled out his legally-carried concealed pistol and shot the attacker dead.  The attacker was exercising extreme unrighteous dominion, and the customer terminated his attempt to do so by exercising righteous dominion.  

 

So killing some unrighteous person(s) is okay as long as the killing is for some righteous reason (s).

But never okay if the killing is for some unrighteous reason (s).

Something we should teach people in elementary school (s), I think.

[Tacenda]

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865650849/Mormon-sister-missionary-injured-in-Brussels-said-bomb-felt-like-end-of-the-world.html

Interview  with Sister Fanny Clain, I didn't know that the bombs were filled with nails for more destruction.  Looks like Elder Richard Norby is still in the induced coma.  Hopefully he'll recover soon along with Elders Wells and Empey.  It's just horrible, and hits so close to home having these members of the church go through this.   

Edited March 25, 2016 by Tacenda

[ALarson]

16 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865650849/Mormon-sister-missionary-injured-in-Brussels-said-bomb-felt-like-end-of-the-world.html

Interview  with Sister Fanny Clain, I didn't know that the bombs were filled with nails for more destruction.  Looks like Elder Richard Norby is still in the induced coma.  Hopefully he'll recover soon along with Elders Wells and Empey.  It's just horrible, and hits so close to home having these members of the church go through this.   

Wow, so sad.  Initial reports stated she was unharmed and had checked through security before the bombs went off (I thought?).  Looks like those reports were wrong.

[Jeanne]

Well..lucky for some...they were doing the "the wave" during all this.

[Jeanne]

6 hours ago, Tacenda said:

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865650849/Mormon-sister-missionary-injured-in-Brussels-said-bomb-felt-like-end-of-the-world.html

Interview  with Sister Fanny Clain, I didn't know that the bombs were filled with nails for more destruction.  Looks like Elder Richard Norby is still in the induced coma.  Hopefully he'll recover soon along with Elders Wells and Empey.  It's just horrible, and hits so close to home having these members of the church go through this.   

Found out yesterday that Brother Norby is a former Seminary Teacher in my old High School...also served in the Stake Presidency there (I think it was stake). 

[JAHS]

Interview with injured missionary.

 

Here's another good one from fox news:

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4817187996001/brussels-attack-survivor-we-were-very-lucky/?playlist_id=trending#sp=show-clips

 

Edited March 26, 2016 by JAHS

[JAHS]

Video:   Parents visit missionary in the hospital

[BookofMormonLuvr]

With Elder Wells having 3 attacks under his belt, I might hesitate if asked to be his next companion.

Lightheartedness aside, prayers for their complete recovery and comfort for their families.

I would keep my eye one Elder Wells, seems the LORD may have quite a work for him, with danger being his oft companion. satan was constantly out to harm Joseph in his childhood.

[Stargazer]

On 3/24/2016 at 3:08 PM, Ahab said:

So killing some unrighteous person(s) is okay as long as the killing is for some righteous reason (s).

But never okay if the killing is for some unrighteous reason (s).

Something we should teach people in elementary school (s), I think.

No, you don't quite get it.

One defends with deadly force only if deadly force is credibly offered.  If someone jumps into my car and drives off with it, I have a doubt that deadly force would be justified -- unless the car were clearly being used as a weapon.

When I was in the Army, when we were placed on armed guard duty (such as at an ammunition supply point), we were instructed that we were permitted to use deadly force to stop or prevent the commission of a felony (such as being attacked, or if a perpetrator were attempting to steal ammunition).  

Circumstances vary, and so does justification for deadly force.

[Ahab]

9 hours ago, Stargazer said:

No, you don't quite get it.

One defends with deadly force only if deadly force is credibly offered.  If someone jumps into my car and drives off with it, I have a doubt that deadly force would be justified -- unless the car were clearly being used as a weapon.

When I was in the Army, when we were placed on armed guard duty (such as at an ammunition supply point), we were instructed that we were permitted to use deadly force to stop or prevent the commission of a felony (such as being attacked, or if a perpetrator were attempting to steal ammunition).  

Circumstances vary, and so does justification for deadly force.

I don't want to derail the thread but I do agree that you may be right about your idea that I may not "get it" regarding what justifies deadly force in this world. Personally I wouldn't intend to kill anybody unless I felt and was sure that God would consider it justified. 

 

[Tacenda]

There ain't no way, no how that I would kill anyone I thought God wanted me to.  Because unless He's standing there right in front of me and I know that it's Him come down, I wouldn't do it.  ETA:  Second thought, even if I thought God wanted me to, and he was standing in front of me, I still wouldn't do it.  For if He were that kind of God, I couldn't follow Him.  And who's to know it isn't Satan, since they say he can appear as someone other than himself, which I highly doubt.

Edited March 27, 2016 by Tacenda

[Jeanne]

3 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

There ain't no way, no how that I would kill anyone I thought God wanted me to.  Because unless He's standing there right in front of me and I know that it's Him come down, I wouldn't do it.  

Where is the angel and the sword when you need them...

[strappinglad]

2 hours ago, Tacenda said:

2 hours ago, Tacenda said:

There ain't no way, no how that I would kill anyone I thought God wanted me to.  Because unless He's standing there right in front of me and I know that it's Him come down, I wouldn't do it.  ETA:  Second thought, even if I thought God wanted me to, and he was standing in front of me, I still wouldn't do it.  For if He were that kind of God, I couldn't follow Him.  And who's to know it isn't Satan, since they say he can appear as someone other than himself, which I highly doubt.

 

So what you are saying is, if you had the means to stop a person from killing your family, you would wait until the deed was done and then phone the police and give them a description of the prep. Sorry, I don't buy it. I have seen the rage of a " mama bear " if one of her ' cubs ' is threatened. Something primal kicks in.

[Tacenda]

31 minutes ago, strappinglad said:

So what you are saying is, if you had the means to stop a person from killing your family, you would wait until the deed was done and then phone the police and give them a description of the prep. Sorry, I don't buy it. I have seen the rage of a " mama bear " if one of her ' cubs ' is threatened. Something primal kicks in.

Well that is a whole 'nuther thing!  That wasn't the description I was referring to.  In my minds eye, I'm thinking of those that think they must kill for ones beliefs or something like a voice telling them they must, and mistaking it for God's.  

Edited March 27, 2016 by Tacenda