Why I Sincerley Believe Mormons are Going to Hell

[savedwheat]

1 minute ago, Coreyb said:

Does that not further condemn the person passing judgement in the first instance?

No. Since he doesn't commit the same.

[halconero]

Except that's not what Jesus says there. Is this an instance where you're putting words in his mouth?

[The Nehor]

45 minutes ago, savedwheat said:

No. I wouldn't be comfortable doing that.

Coward.

[The Nehor]

42 minutes ago, savedwheat said:

Remember I am not the one who thinks the Church vanished for 18 centuries.

No, you just believe the doctrine of salvation of grace which was not believed in the first Christians and was instead invented over a thousand years later when the Protestants showed up. Over a thousand years with all Christians going to hell before Luther and the rest showed up to tell you what the Savior really meant. Sounds a lot like an apostasy and a restoration to me. I suppose ignorance of history lets you ignore this fact.

[halconero]

Since I'm tired of trying to reach Nehor-levels of snark I'll just post the scripture in reference:

“Do not judge, so that you may not be judged. 2 For with the judgment you make you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get."

Jesus doesn't say don't judge because if you commit the same mistake you'll be judged the same. He gives a pretty blanket statement: If you judge people you'll be judged the same. Usurp God's authority over judgement and you'll be judged by the same condemnation you gave others.

Anyways,

Goodnight

[savedwheat]

1 minute ago, The Nehor said:

No, you just believe the doctrine of salvation of grace which was not believed in the first Christians and was instead invented over a thousand years later when the Protestants showed up. Over a thousand years with all Christians going to hell before Luther and the rest showed up to tell you what the Savior really meant. Sounds a lot like an apostasy and a restoration to me. I suppose ignorance of history lets you ignore this fact.

Why would Christians go to Hell? We are saved by grace through faith.

[savedwheat]

2 minutes ago, halconero said:

Since I'm tired of trying to reach Nehor-levels of snark I'll just post the scripture in reference:

“Do not judge, so that you may not be judged. 2 For with the judgment you make you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get."

Jesus doesn't say don't judge because if you commit the same mistake you'll be judged the same. He gives a pretty blanket statement: If you judge people you'll be judged the same. Usurp God's authority over judgement and you'll be judged by the same condemnation you gave others.

Anyways,

Goodnight

For with the judgment you make you will be judged, but since you don't sin that sin you are not judged. So for example, I could accuse you of doing something wrong, but since I am not doing that thing you are doing, I am not judged. I am not guilty with you.

[The Nehor]

16 minutes ago, savedwheat said:

Why would Christians go to Hell? We are saved by grace through faith.

Yeah, you just ignore that this whole concept did not exist in the First Century AD and showed up later. If you want to put your faith in the teachings of the Protestant reformers you can but it is disingenuous to claim you are following Christ when he put all kinds of conditions on salvation throughout his ministry.

[Raingirl]

11 minutes ago, savedwheat said:

For with the judgment you make you will be judged, but since you don't sin that sin you are not judged. So for example, I could accuse you of doing something wrong, but since I am not doing that thing you are doing, I am not judged. I am not guilty with you.

I have no need to worry about you being correct about Mormons going to hell, as this post yet again demonstrates that you have zero reading comprehension skills - especially when it comes to the scriptures.

But if it were true that people like you were the ones going to heaven, I'd happily go to hell.

[Thinking]

Since you are all going to hell, I found some hand baskets for all of you. They're kind of small so you might have to carry them instead of climbing inside.

 

Edited January 24, 2016 by Thinking

[The Nehor]

2 minutes ago, Thinking said:

Since you are all going to hell, I found some hand baskets for all of you. They're kind of small so you might have to carry them instead of climbing inside.

 

I chanted the magic spell evangelicals tell me I have to say to go to heaven. I even believed that version and meant it sincerely. I acknowledged to God that I am a sinner and asked him to forgive me my sins and save me.

So on the odd chance God is impressed with that kind of sorcery I am covered.

[savedwheat]

13 minutes ago, Raingirl said:

I have no need to worry about you being correct about Mormons going to hell, as this post yet again demonstrates that you have zero reading comprehension skills - especially when it comes to the scriptures.

But if it were true that people like you were the ones going to heaven, I'd happily go to hell.

You think you always existed alongside God. That's pride which prevents you from being saved, and rejecting the Jesus who created all things. A lesser Jesus will not save you.

[Coreyb]

4 minutes ago, savedwheat said:

You think you always existed alongside God. That's pride which prevents you from being saved, and rejecting the Jesus who created all things. A lesser Jesus will not save you.

Assuming you are correct about the nature of God, couldn't a sincere confession of faith in Jesus such as Nehor's alleged one described above save one from that sin of pride, and the apparent sin of erring in doctrine concerning Jesus' Godhood? Or can Jesus' grace only save those who confess his name, AND fully understand the metaphysics of the triune God?

[Avatar4321]

I have every intention of going to hell someday, just as Christ did. And I hope to declare liberty to those in bondage there, just as he did. And share with them the news that because of Him we will rise from the grave and rejoin our bodies. Because of Him our sins are forgiven.

We will go to hell and preach the gospel of deliverance. We will cast out the devil and make it a lovely place.

[Avatar4321]

51 minutes ago, savedwheat said:

Why would Christians go to Hell? We are saved by grace through faith.

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shallenter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the willof my Father which is in heaven.

 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we notprophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast outdevils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you:depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Matthew 7:21-23

Or do you think non Christians are doing miracles in Christ's name?

[Avatar4321]

17 minutes ago, savedwheat said:

You think you always existed alongside God. That's pride which prevents you from being saved, and rejecting the Jesus who created all things. A lesser Jesus will not save you.

So we can only be saved if we do the work of humbling ourselves? But I thought you said we are saves by grace and not works

[savedwheat]

3 minutes ago, Avatar4321 said:

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shallenter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the willof my Father which is in heaven.

 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we notprophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast outdevils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you:depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Matthew 7:21-23

Or do you think non Christians are doing miracles in Christ's name?

These are Christians except some are carnal so they lose the reward of reigning in the millennial kingdom.

[savedwheat]

8 minutes ago, Avatar4321 said:

I have every intention of going to hell someday, just as Christ did. And I hope to declare liberty to those in bondage there, just as he did. And share with them the news that because of Him we will rise from the grave and rejoin our bodies. Because of Him our sins are forgiven.

We will go to hell and preach the gospel of deliverance. We will cast out the devil and make it a lovely place.

Bible teaches if you are not saved before you die, you will never be saved. Anyone who goes to Hell stays in Hell forever.

No baptizing for the dead. That's entirely delusional.

Edited January 24, 2016 by savedwheat

[savedwheat]

4 minutes ago, Avatar4321 said:

So we can only be saved if we do the work of humbling ourselves? But I thought you said we are saves by grace and not works

Faith and works are contrasted. We are saved by faith. Coming to the cross as a helpless sinner to receive the Lord Jesus as Savior is not a work but a faith.

[The Nehor]

2 minutes ago, savedwheat said:

Bible teaches if you are not saved before you die, you will never be saved. Anyone who goes to Hell stays in Hell forever.

No baptizing for the dead. That's entirely delusional.

Paul was quite the delusional fellow for bringing it up.

[The Nehor]

27 minutes ago, savedwheat said:

You think you always existed alongside God. That's pride which prevents you from being saved, and rejecting the Jesus who created all things. A lesser Jesus will not save you.

More works to be saved? Now I have to accept your triune God and Plato's metaphysics to be saved? There sure are a lot of works in this salvation by grace thing.

[savedwheat]

Just now, The Nehor said:

More works to be saved? Now I have to accept your triune God and Plato's metaphysics to be saved? There sure are a lot of works in this salvation by grace thing.

If you were really saved already you would have accepted the Triune God, for if you see the Son you see the Father, and Jesus created all things; nothing exists that exists without Him having created it, so nothing exists beside God before time and space.

[The Nehor]

1 minute ago, savedwheat said:

If you were really saved already you would have accepted the Triune God, for if you see the Son you see the Father, and Jesus created all things; nothing exists that exists without Him having created it, so nothing exists beside God before time and space.

Another boring dodge that has basically nothing to do with what I said. If you quote someone on this message board it is considered polite to at least pretend you read what they said and are responding to it.

Instead you are pretending I claimed salvation and that I have claimed to have literally seen Jesus and then ramble about some pagan metaphysics and mingle it badly with the scriptures.

[Bobbieaware]

15 hours ago, savedwheat said:

I need to tell you what is on my heart that I know Mormons are going to Hell because they think they always existed alongside God even though God said there is none beside Him. He alone is from everlasting, and that Jesus created all things; nothing exists that exists without Him having created it. Also many express salvation can be lost once saved which is salvation by self strength or works. This shows you did not give your life to the God who keeps and never lets go; now that's a God you can trust in. Since God the Father is God and Jesus is God and the Spirit is God the Godhead is One Being in 3 Persons, Co-Equal, Co-Inherent, One Substance, Distinct but Not Separate in the 3 Persons.

 

 

From the many things I have observed that have been brought forth by your twisted and tormented mind, I'm confident in saying you are already in a hell of your own making.

Now, now.

[Avatar4321]

4 hours ago, savedwheat said:

These are Christians except some are carnal so they lose the reward of reigning in the millennial kingdom.

So they are saved despite not knowing Christ when Christ defined eternal life as knowing Him? How does that work?