smac97 Posted January 11, 2016 Author Posted January 11, 2016 8 minutes ago, Russell C McGregor said: What substance? Well . . . -Smac
Popular Post The Nehor Posted January 11, 2016 Popular Post Posted January 11, 2016 4 hours ago, rockpond said: A desperate attempt to try to solidify their authority ... as it slowly slips away from them. Their authority would not go away if no one listened to the Apostles. You have a very secular notion of what we mean by authority. When Jesus was largely rejected did they mean his authority had slipped away. 7
Calm Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 (edited) 7 hours ago, JAHS said: Well this is interesting. The link is now live again. I wonder if some "clarifications" were made to it? God is Silent on Same Sex Marriage – How Opinion Turns into Doctrine Maybe she was just doublechecking he still wanted to do it. add-on: I see there have been revisions Edited January 11, 2016 by Calm
The Nehor Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 2 hours ago, Zakuska said: Tell me about it. Usually revelations are good news... like... God has extended forgiveness and the full hand of fellowship to those filthy Heathen nations. And lets them more or lesson continue in their Heathen ways and eat Shell fish and such. It is actually about 50/50 good/bad. The Book of Mormon and Bible have about that ratio. Graphic descriptions of blessedness and joy for obedience and graphic descriptions of destruction and torment for everyone else. If anything our dispensation may be too far tilted towards the former.
Gray Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 (edited) 2 minutes ago, The Nehor said: .......screams the guy accelerating his own boat towards the waterfall. Everyone is at the bottom of the falls except conservative/orthodox members of the church? Edited January 11, 2016 by Gray
The Nehor Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 28 minutes ago, consiglieri said: Or with getting stabbed in the back. Over and over again. Just as the Americans betrayed Benedict Arnold after his defection. 1
The Nehor Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 30 minutes ago, Jeanne said: And perhaps it is not Monson's job either, Then go ahead and toss away and burn the scriptures because they all disagree with you.
Gray Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 2 minutes ago, The Nehor said: 'Twas ever thus. Kind of a watery Rameumptom, then.
The Nehor Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 12 minutes ago, Gray said: Kind of a watery Rameumptom, then. The Zoramites were wrong because they thought they were more righteous (they were not) and loved that others were going to hell. I am not convinced I am that righteous but I do know the commands of God and I derive little pleasure from the thought of so many people Damned for their sins........... Multiple one liner insult posts of yours have been removed. Don't do that again. ....but a little pleasure is better then none.
Gray Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 (edited) 13 minutes ago, The Nehor said: The Zoramites were wrong because they thought they were more righteous (they were not) and loved that others were going to hell. I am not convinced I am that righteous but I do know the commands of God and I derive little pleasure from the thought of so many people Damned for their sins........... ....but a little pleasure is better then none. Luke 18:9-14New International Version (NIV) The Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector 9 To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable: 10 “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’ 13 “But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’ 14 “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.” Side note - I appreciate your sense of humor Edited January 11, 2016 by Gray
The Nehor Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 15 minutes ago, The Nehor said: Multiple one liner insult posts of yours have been removed. Don't do that again. Fair enough, I will try to use full paragraphs in the future.
The Nehor Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 7 minutes ago, Gray said: Luke 18:9-14New International Version (NIV) The Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector 9 To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable: 10 “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’ 13 “But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’ 14 “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.” Side note - I appreciate your sense of humor I pray more like the publican. Have to repent in almost every prayer, sometimes for things I say here. Also hard to be arrogant when I am single and thus preemptively barred from exaltation, at least temporarily.
CV75 Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 2 hours ago, thesometimesaint said: If they don't believe the Truth Claims of the Church what good will praying do? Amen. It goes back to a testimony of the Book of Mormon. If its testament and prophecies are true, why abandon them (and the Restored Church is one of them) as they roll out in the generations between 1830 and the Second Coming? 1
Zakuska Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 (edited) 2 minutes ago, CV75 said: Amen. It goes back to a testimony of the Book of Mormon. If its testament and prophecies are true, why abandon them (and the Restored Church is one of them) as they roll out in the generations between 1830 and the Second Coming? I think there's going to be quite a few people (our leaders included) who are going to get a rude awakening come resurection day.(Im probably one of them too) It will be like the Nephites when the Lord came and scolded them for not doing something he had told them to do earlier. Edited January 11, 2016 by Zakuska
Gray Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 3 minutes ago, The Nehor said: I pray more like the publican. Have to repent in almost every prayer, sometimes for things I say here. Also hard to be arrogant when I am single and thus preemptively barred from exaltation, at least temporarily. If we both end up in the Terrestrial I'll play you a game of not-quite-Celestial monopoly (no crystal game pieces for the Terrestrialites).
The Nehor Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 Just now, Gray said: If we both end up in the Terrestrial I'll play you a game of not-quite-Celestial monopoly (no crystal game pieces for the Terrestrialites). My idea of hell is a never ending game of Monopoly. I like party and board games but Monopoly.......yuck. Chutes and ladders that just takes hours. A mission companion and I came up with a game we plan to play when exalted. All you need is a galaxy each to play. I do not know what games the gods play but I do know they are amazing.
Zakuska Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 2 minutes ago, The Nehor said: My idea of hell is a never ending game of Monopoly. I like party and board games but Monopoly.......yuck. Chutes and ladders that just takes hours. A mission companion and I came up with a game we plan to play when exalted. All you need is a galaxy each to play. I do not know what games the gods play but I do know they are amazing. I hear they like taking wagers. Just ask Job.
Gray Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 3 minutes ago, The Nehor said: My idea of hell is a never ending game of Monopoly. I like party and board games but Monopoly.......yuck. Chutes and ladders that just takes hours. A mission companion and I came up with a game we plan to play when exalted. All you need is a galaxy each to play. I do not know what games the gods play but I do know they are amazing. Terrestrial Monopoly will be your personal incentive to go for exaltation, then. Maybe the gods play a hyper-realistic version of D&D? Nerds are probably more likely to be exalted than jocks.
Avatar4321 Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 (edited) 5 hours ago, Bobbieaware said: God is the one to say which revelations are true and which ones are not. By personal revelation, I know President Monson's revelation was a true and that those who say it wasn't are deceived. You disagree. You have a perfect right to disagree. The day of judgment will put all questions such as this one to rest. So let's be patient and wait for the day when we will learn from God's own mouth whether or not Thomas S. Momson did indeed received a divine revelation on the subject at hand, or if the poster known as rockpond is right. But there is one thing we already know for sure, and that is that both can't be right. No one has claimed that contrary revelation. In fact those arguinfg against it are specifically saying they've not received any. Edited January 12, 2016 by Avatar4321
Calm Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 2 hours ago, Zakuska said: My CFR is that I know of no other Policy that has been claimed to have come by revelation. The change of policy to no longer practice polygamy is one that I can think of. Then there is the policy to only have sealings to one's parents and not use the law of adoption. 1
rockpond Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 2 hours ago, Bob Crockett said: I doubt she used those terms. As I have said many times before, anybody who has served as a stake president knows there are many saints in the church who struggle with Same Sex Attraction and yet uphold their covenants. I've known one bishop personally and know of one general authority. It is those who leave and attack who lead to the public perception that the Church is picking on homosexuals. And they we get "pray away the gay" ridicule when, in fact, praying to withstand temptation is one-half of the Christian existence, the other half of which is surrendering to the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Have you listened to her talk?
Jeanne Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 1 hour ago, Russell C McGregor said: You mean the "thousands" (meaning a few hundred) of non-members, ex-Mormons, ex'ed-Mormons, apostates-on-their-way-out and serial resigners who showed up for a publicity stunt? Some of them were hanging by a thread..and still members of the church. I wonder if shelves would have fallen as hard had the church said this is a revelation...and not start with policy..and would they even know had it not been outed out. Publicity stunt?? This is kind of like kettle calling the pot black. Yesterday's revelation was over a month overdue. And the plot thickens.
rockpond Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 2 hours ago, Danzo said: After reading this and other threads, I still can't understand what the big deal is. 1. The church has always (as long as I can remember) considered Homosexual behavior as a sin. 2. In 1995, Gordon Hinckley Issued a proclamation that stated that 3. The Church supported Several legislative efforts to stop the government (prop 8 and others) from changing the definition of marriage. Its as if everyone is shocked that . . . . Nothing has changed! After this summer's supreme court decision I figured that there would be something in the handbook addressing it. What came out of it was more or less what I expected, (some people read more into it that I would have, but the intent was clarified). No one in the church that I have personally talked to felt surprise, or shock or even disagreement, and why would they? It is the same thing that has been taught since as long as I can remember. I just can't see how anything of substance has changed since last year (or the last few decades) I remember people being excommunicated for homosexual activity when I was a child in the 80's, there is nothing new going on here. If you think that nothing has changed in what the Brethren have been teaching than you have either not read enough or not read far enough back. Just this year, supporting rights for LGBT persons was a huge departure from the Brethren's previous position. Many of us saw the Church coming to an ever greater understanding of homosexuality over the past couple decades as old documents were removed from circulation (To The One, To Young Men Only) and new statements were published via MormonsandGays.org and other publications. 1
rockpond Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 2 hours ago, Danzo said: I think your ridicule of prayer itself might be the best explanation for your lack of faith. You misunderstand my statement. Probably intentionally.
rockpond Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 2 hours ago, busybeesaid: If it wasn;t this, then it would have been something else. Those who are 'checking out' will always find the proverbial straw. Is there any line that the Brethren could cross that would make you "check out"? Or does it not matter, you'll sustain them regardless?
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