The Nehor Posted January 8, 2016 Posted January 8, 2016 4 minutes ago, consiglieri said: How often do we hear in General Conference that the world is going to hell in a hand basket? Often but we also hear about the growing strength of the saints. At least there is symmetry.
consiglieri Posted January 8, 2016 Posted January 8, 2016 Just now, The Nehor said: Often but we also hear about the growing strength of the saints. At least there is symmetry. And neither message is particularly true. The symmetry continues . . . 1
The Nehor Posted January 8, 2016 Posted January 8, 2016 8 minutes ago, consiglieri said: And neither message is particularly true. The symmetry continues . . . Of course as a heathen anti-Mormon you have to say that.
why me Posted January 8, 2016 Posted January 8, 2016 (edited) 22 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said: A few times on this board over the past couple of days, I've made reference to an event I covered for the Church News on Tuesday night, a commemorative devotional for the 60th anniversary of what effectively was the first Young Single Adult stake in the Church. Elder Ballard presided over and spoke at the event. What I want to emphasize here is an exhortation he gave to these young people to become competent defenders of the faith. Here is a direct quote I included in my story: This, I feel, directly contradicts accusations that the Church hides or whitewashes its history or tries to shield its members from reality. To me, the above is in direct contradiction to such charges. I think that as the church publishes more information on church history and their interpretations of events, they will expect members to actively confront critics and former members of the church over their interpretations of the facts. It is now the church fighting back. And it is about time that it did. Edited January 8, 2016 by why me
CV75 Posted January 8, 2016 Posted January 8, 2016 1 hour ago, CA Steve said: Well just about any question dealing with Mormonism could be framed as within those areas. Since Joseph Smith founded the church, any question about the church can be linked to him, so I don't see anywhere one can refuse to get past. No; just about any basic, good-faith question dealing with Mormonism could be framed as within those areas.
salgare Posted January 8, 2016 Posted January 8, 2016 3 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said: There have been 16 posts on this page alone, and you come on to ask why I haven't replied to your post without even specifying what post you are talking about? This is my third post in this thread. I know I get sloppy, especially when I'm poking in and out of work. I spent sometime on that post to try and clear up efforts in the Greg Prince thread. I should have linked the post for you ... here it is: http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/66751-be-defenders-of-the-faith-elder-ballard-admonishes-ysa/?do=findComment&comment=1209576409 As to the CRF, you later seemed to write, I should have formally retracted it, which I do now. It seemed that thread was never going to see any real discussion. This one looked promising at that time I posted the above link.
Scott Lloyd Posted January 8, 2016 Author Posted January 8, 2016 22 minutes ago, salgare said: This is my third post in this thread. I know I get sloppy, especially when I'm poking in and out of work. I spent sometime on that post to try and clear up efforts in the Greg Prince thread. I should have linked the post for you ... here it is: http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/66751-be-defenders-of-the-faith-elder-ballard-admonishes-ysa/?do=findComment&comment=1209576409 As to the CRF, you later seemed to write, I should have formally retracted it, which I do now. It seemed that thread was never going to see any real discussion. This one looked promising at that time I posted the above link. I went back and read through your post. Is there a specific question you want to ask me about it?
salgare Posted January 9, 2016 Posted January 9, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, Scott Lloyd said: I went back and read through your post. Is there a specific question you want to ask me about it? Mostly just hoping for discussion from everyone verses Q/A. Did I represent you correctly? The spirit is a fleeting thing, and almost like drugs once back in the depths of reality depression, doubts, external influences all creep in. I can sense your excitement from being there, lifted by the spirit, the rubbing of elbows, the energy and strength of the youth. I'm sure most there felt it. But what of a support plan for those that were not there, and for those who are going to slip on this treacherous slope? Will they drop out before going? Will they continue to come home early in shame? Will they fall away after returning? There is something missing for the failed defenders and their families where every blow to a child is a blow to every member, heading them to that same slippy slope. It's this entrenchment, this narrowing of the tent to the faithful defenders, its the ejection of the fringes and the tightening of the inner-group's circle. Funny part is Marks excellent article on a New Mormonism, moving away from Orthodoxy entrenchment is counter intuitive to exactly this shrinking group of member/defenders. I don't know Scott something along these lines to discuss with no requirement of being right. Edited January 9, 2016 by salgare
consiglieri Posted January 9, 2016 Posted January 9, 2016 4 hours ago, The Nehor said: Of course as a heathen anti-Mormon you have to say that. The blood of Christ compels me!
sunstoned Posted January 9, 2016 Posted January 9, 2016 22 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said: Substance-to-noise ratio: near zero These one liner attacks do not add to the discussion. They actually drag the discussion down.
Avatar4321 Posted January 9, 2016 Posted January 9, 2016 20 hours ago, consiglieri said: And neither message is particularly true. The symmetry continues . . . Funny, it seems obviously true to me. CFR.
consiglieri Posted January 9, 2016 Posted January 9, 2016 22 minutes ago, Avatar4321 said: Funny, it seems obviously true to me. CFR. It would.
The Nehor Posted January 9, 2016 Posted January 9, 2016 1 hour ago, sunstoned said: These one liner attacks do not add to the discussion. They actually drag the discussion down. There has to be a discussion before it can be dragged down. 1
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