salgare Posted January 1, 2016 Posted January 1, 2016 (edited) 2 minutes ago, VideoGameJunkie said: Does Jesus bow down to Heavenly Mother? had to chuckle, could not help myself Video, you are trying way to hard Edited January 1, 2016 by salgare 1
salgare Posted January 1, 2016 Posted January 1, 2016 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Glenn101 said: We also have to realize that the converse is true. No man will be able to get into the Celestial Kingdom without his wife. Maybe as ministering angels, only, man or woman. Do you buy into the 5 divisions of the Celestial Glenn? I believe its said the 3'rd heaven (first of Celestial, 3rd of 7) has no such requirement Edited January 1, 2016 by salgare 1
VideoGameJunkie Posted January 1, 2016 Posted January 1, 2016 (edited) 28 minutes ago, salgare said: had to chuckle, could not help myself Video, you are trying way to hard Trying in what way? I'm generally interested in if an exalted male Godhead being can ascend higher in power than a godess female exalted parent who gave spiritual birth to Him. Edited January 1, 2016 by VideoGameJunkie
JLHPROF Posted January 1, 2016 Posted January 1, 2016 24 minutes ago, VideoGameJunkie said: Trying in what way? I'm generally interested in if an exalted male Godhead being can ascend higher in power than a godess female exalted parent who gave spiritual birth to Him. No. God the Father and his wives continue to preside over Christ and his wives, and always will. 1
JLHPROF Posted January 1, 2016 Posted January 1, 2016 32 minutes ago, salgare said: Do you buy into the 5 divisions of the Celestial Glenn? I believe its said the 3'rd heaven (first of Celestial, 3rd of 7) has no such requirement I don't think they are officially numbered, but yes, there are 3/5/7 heavens, not even counting the numberless heavens in the Telestial.
Jeanne Posted January 1, 2016 Posted January 1, 2016 9 hours ago, Tacenda said: http://journalofdiscourses.com/5/46 Preparation of Heart for Divine Blessings—Responsibility—Family Government - Erastus Snow Well, go on: let the good work continue. This is my prayer all the time. Are all the families of Israel and every woman striving herself to play well her part and reverence her husband as her lord; for he is her lord. Will she ever have another? No, never; and if she ever expects to have another, she has not learned "Mormonism" aright. She may tear herself loose from him and attach another, but she may have a worse one: she ought to have a worse one. If she cannot learn to honor him, the next one she gets, if she is permitted to have another, ought to be a worse one. How shall women honor their husbands? Just as we honor brother Brigham in his place, and the authorities of the Wards in their places; because upon him is laid the responsibility of that family, and he cannot get rid of it. He is in duty bound to purge them of their follies, and they are in duty bound to listen to his reproofs and honor him and pray for him, that he may be led aright. Do the women, when they pray, remember their husbands? Do you pray for brother Brigham? Yes, you should always pray for him. But when you pray for him, do you pray also for your own husband, that he may have the inspiration of the Almighty to lead and govern his family as the lord? Do you uphold your husband before God as your lord? "What! My husband to be my lord?" I ask, Can you get into the celestial kingdom without him? Have any of you been there? You will remember that you never got into the celestial kingdom without the aid of your husband. If you did, it was because your husband was away, and someone had to act proxy for him. No woman will get into the celestial kingdom, except her husband receives her, if she is worthy to have a husband; and if not, somebody will receive her as a servant. This is horrible..kiss my what?
JLHPROF Posted January 1, 2016 Posted January 1, 2016 2 minutes ago, Jeanne said: This is horrible..kiss my what? Distaste doesn't affect truth. If it is true. And if it is, then what?
salgare Posted January 1, 2016 Posted January 1, 2016 (edited) Video, the trying to hard I suggest is in dealing with your current fears. As to your question. Some have said (and I believed) that you are dealing with "Role Titles". For example Bishop is a role title. Different individuals, at various times fill that role. Heavenly Father - person A Jesus Christ - person B Holy Ghost - person C Its been said that the ... can we say ... biological Spirit children Father (Person A at T0) Becomes "The Christ" (Person A at T1) And Jesus Christ (person B), moves to the role of The Father at T1. And Holy Ghost - is rotated out at various points to allow that individual to head for a body. And all of this for this "eternal round" (creation) with lots of other simultaneous eternal rounds happening with their own roles/individuals BRM rolls over in his grave everytime someone says this What say ye? Edited January 1, 2016 by salgare
Jeanne Posted January 1, 2016 Posted January 1, 2016 (edited) 12 minutes ago, JLHPROF said: Distaste doesn't affect truth. If it is true. And if it is, then what? A great loss of love, sharing, and respect no matter what prophet or generation, Edited January 1, 2016 by Jeanne 1
VideoGameJunkie Posted January 1, 2016 Posted January 1, 2016 24 minutes ago, JLHPROF said: No. God the Father and his wives continue to preside over Christ and his wives, and always will. Thanks for clearing that up.
salgare Posted January 1, 2016 Posted January 1, 2016 1 minute ago, VideoGameJunkie said: Thanks for clearing that up. Now wait a minute ... what say ye JLH? role titles? Does the father really send his son to die, or does he see to his own responsibility for his children?
The Nehor Posted January 1, 2016 Posted January 1, 2016 35 minutes ago, JLHPROF said: No. God the Father and his wives continue to preside over Christ and his wives, and always will. And we wander into things we know nothing about.
JLHPROF Posted January 1, 2016 Posted January 1, 2016 9 minutes ago, The Nehor said: And we wander into things we know nothing about. Speak for yourself.
JLHPROF Posted January 1, 2016 Posted January 1, 2016 18 minutes ago, salgare said: Now wait a minute ... what say ye JLH? role titles? Does the father really send his son to die, or does he see to his own responsibility for his children? Yes. He does. I believe in roles and titles. But the Father didn't come as the Son.
JLHPROF Posted January 1, 2016 Posted January 1, 2016 27 minutes ago, Jeanne said: A great loss of love, sharing, and respect no matter what prophet or generation, And if it's not a prophet but the teaching of the quote actually represents the truth of how Gods kingdom operates? Remembering that God is perfect and his ways are perfectly good?
The Nehor Posted January 1, 2016 Posted January 1, 2016 2 minutes ago, JLHPROF said: Speak for yourself. Okay, I am convinced you have no idea what you are talking about. We have built this intricate structure of what exaltation is like from a few scriptures and act like our reasoning is canon. Yes, your hypothesis is reasonable but it is not scriptural and if the eternal worlds are as foreign to us as I expect our reasoning is probably as valuable and insightful as what a dog thinks about the stars. 4
Avatar4321 Posted January 1, 2016 Posted January 1, 2016 . 5 hours ago, readstoomuch said: I am pretty sure I can find quotes saying that I won`t get into the celestial kingdom without my wife-something I absolutely know and agree. It also seems to me that we united together as a team. That team/couple carries out the purposes of the priesthood together as equals. I don`t know why the man takes the lead or why Jesus prayed to His Father instead of His Heavenly Mother. Some things are just so and I try to live them the best I can. you can get in quite fine without her. You just wont get the highest degree
JLHPROF Posted January 1, 2016 Posted January 1, 2016 26 minutes ago, The Nehor said: Okay, I am convinced you have no idea what you are talking about. We have built this intricate structure of what exaltation is like from a few scriptures and act like our reasoning is canon. Yes, your hypothesis is reasonable but it is not scriptural and if the eternal worlds are as foreign to us as I expect our reasoning is probably as valuable and insightful as what a dog thinks about the stars. Scriptures are just teachings of specific prophets (except those that are actually the words of God himself). Other prophets have taught my "hypothesis". I have no reason to take those prophets as any less informed than the ones that wrote what we call scripture.
VideoGameJunkie Posted January 1, 2016 Posted January 1, 2016 The reason I asked about if Jesus is higher up than Heavenly Mother because I read Kim Rives book about her near death experience where she died for a while from cancer and visited the other side. She said she met and spoke with her Heavenly Mother and Jesus during different parts of her experience and she had more amazement and awe seeing Jesus than Heavenly Mother. I would have figured meeting a Heavenly parent whos rarely mentioned would be more of an awe moment than meeting her spiritual brother and savior Jesus. Read My Walk Thru Heaven and see what I'm talking about.
salgare Posted January 1, 2016 Posted January 1, 2016 Video, its been my sense that most publicized (especially in book form) NDE experiences are likely best avoided as for being any kind of guide to reality. Its also been my sense that those whom I suspect may have had some powerful experiences don't tend to cast them to the general public 3
VideoGameJunkie Posted January 1, 2016 Posted January 1, 2016 (edited) 6 minutes ago, salgare said: Video, its been my sense that most publicized (especially in book form) NDE experiences are likely best avoided as for being any kind of guide to reality. Its also been my sense that those whom I suspect may have had some powerful experiences don't tend to cast them to the general public That does seem like good advice since I shouldn't take NDES as scripture, since we could experience something completely different than what experiencers talk about. And also kind of like how apostles never talk about if they've seen Christ or received the 2nd anointing. Edited January 1, 2016 by VideoGameJunkie
salgare Posted January 1, 2016 Posted January 1, 2016 (edited) 15 minutes ago, VideoGameJunkie said: That does seem like good advice since I shouldn't take NDES as scripture, since we could experience something completely different than what experiencers talk about. To be blunt, many NDE's are all about money. Quote And also kind of like how apostles never talk about if they've seen Christ or received the 2nd anointing. It is my unpopular opinion that Apostles (the calling of being a Special Witness of Christ) do indeed testify of seeing Christ. It is my opinion that the FP/Q12 of the Church not giving such a witness is a sign of their apostasy. I should not be lazy, but look up BRM's last talk and one that Hunter gave (Hunters is a NDE for ya!) Edited January 1, 2016 by salgare
Storm Rider Posted January 1, 2016 Posted January 1, 2016 2 hours ago, Jeanne said: A great loss of love, sharing, and respect no matter what prophet or generation, In what way is there a loss of love? Between who? Who stops sharing and when? ditto for respect.
VideoGameJunkie Posted January 1, 2016 Posted January 1, 2016 37 minutes ago, salgare said: To be blunt, many NDE's are all about money. It is my unpopular opinion that Apostles (the calling of being a Special Witness of Christ) do indeed testify of seeing Christ. It is my opinion that the FP/Q12 of the Church not giving such a witness is a sign of their apostasy. I should not be lazy, but look up BRM's last talk and one that Hunter gave (Hunters is a NDE for ya!) Ya I agree a lot of people have made money off NDEs. Making cash off of such a sacred experience seems blasphemous. And I wish modern apostles would be open about their witnesses like Joseph Smith used to be.
Calm Posted January 1, 2016 Posted January 1, 2016 Quote It is my opinion that the FP/Q12 of the Church not giving such a witness is a sign of their apostasy. So if I've heard President Faust for example give such a witness, he is not an apostate, correct? What would this mean in your opinion for the rest of the apostles given that President Faust backs them up as true apostles?
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