Calm Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 They cheated. I bled and sweated over each and every post.
BookofMormonLuvr Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 He also seemed to have a warped view of the scripturesHow do you figure? Because, thus far, no one has really argued with his scriptural views, only that he doesn't sustain the LDS GA's.I would like you POV on how they are "warped"
bluebell Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 you sure he's not trying to get up to 19,000?Wait...19,000?When you've been posting since 2006 it adds up!
Avatar4321 Posted July 2, 2015 Posted July 2, 2015 How do you figure? Because, thus far, no one has really argued with his scriptural views, only that he doesn't sustain the LDS GA's.I would like you POV on how they are "warped"Still been waiting for someone to argue his views.
Deborah Posted July 2, 2015 Posted July 2, 2015 (edited) Still been waiting for someone to argue his views. I thought it was pretty clear his views are he believes the current church leadership is in apostasy and he knows more about what the church believes than they do. He tells a little bit of truth than warps it with his own twist. Edited July 2, 2015 by Deborah
Deborah Posted July 2, 2015 Posted July 2, 2015 A quote from his blog on tithing: "We Latter-day Saints have become so accustomed these days to having false doctrine preached at us in church that we barely even blink anymore when we hear it." He then gives his own interpretation of the law forgetting to let everyone know that the leadership has said over and over it is up to each man's conscience between him and God what constitutes a full tithing. On temple marriage:I'm not normally in the habit of telling other people what they should or should not do, but this is the time of year when a lot of young LDS couples get engaged and start nailing down their wedding plans for the spring. So I'm going to go out on a limb here and offer some valuable counsel to the youth of the church. Here it is: Don't get married in the temple." He likes to go back to what was the standard say 100 years ago forgetting that we have living prophets and counsel changes because time and circumstances change. In other words don't follow today's prophets, follow the prophets of the past. 2
Avatar4321 Posted July 4, 2015 Posted July 4, 2015 How are the brethren in apostasy for not teaching his version of tithing? There has to be more. Cause I can't imagine someone would let himself be exed over that.
Kaleb Webb Posted July 4, 2015 Posted July 4, 2015 Waterman asserts that his version of the Law of Tithing is in harmony with the Law of Tithing as described in D&C. It's been a while since I read his blog post about it, so I can't remember if I agreed with him or not, but in his mind his interpretation and the scriptural text agree with each other.
BookofMormonLuvr Posted July 4, 2015 Posted July 4, 2015 (edited) I thought it was pretty clear his views are he believes the current church leadership is in apostasy and he knows more about what the church believes than they do. He tells a little bit of truth than warps it with his own twist.Again, this is arguing his disagreement with church leaders, not his view of scriptures. Can anyone show us where his scriptural views are scripturally wrong? Anyone who has read his blog can't say he doesn't make a strong case, only that it doesn't fit with current interpretations. Edited July 4, 2015 by BookofMormonLuvr
BookofMormonLuvr Posted July 4, 2015 Posted July 4, 2015 A quote from his blog on tithing: "We Latter-day Saints have become so accustomed these days to having false doctrine preached at us in church that we barely even blink anymore when we hear it." He then gives his own interpretation of the law forgetting to let everyone know that the leadership has said over and over it is up to each man's conscience between him and God what constitutes a full tithing. On temple marriage:I'm not normally in the habit of telling other people what they should or should not do, but this is the time of year when a lot of young LDS couples get engaged and start nailing down their wedding plans for the spring. So I'm going to go out on a limb here and offer some valuable counsel to the youth of the church. Here it is: Don't get married in the temple." He likes to go back to what was the standard say 100 years ago forgetting that we have living prophets and counsel changes because time and circumstances change. In other words don't follow today's prophets, follow the prophets of the past. You are taking that blog entry out of context. Did you actually read it?
ERayR Posted July 4, 2015 Posted July 4, 2015 Again, this is arguing his disagreement with church leaders, not his view of scriptures. Can anyone show us where his scriptural views are scripturally wrong? Anyone who has read his blog can't say he doesn't make a strong case, only that it doesn't fit with current interpretations. Depends on whose interpretation of scripture you are using.
BookofMormonLuvr Posted July 4, 2015 Posted July 4, 2015 Depends on whose interpretation of scripture you are using.Again, please, show us where Waterman scripturally errs.
ERayR Posted July 4, 2015 Posted July 4, 2015 Again, please, show us where Waterman scripturally errs. Do I use your interpretation of the scriptures? If so I probably can't. However I reject the premise that your interpretation is inerrant.
Avatar4321 Posted July 5, 2015 Posted July 5, 2015 Again, this is arguing his disagreement with church leaders, not his view of scriptures. Can anyone show us where his scriptural views are scripturally wrong? Anyone who has read his blog can't say he doesn't make a strong case, only that it doesn't fit with current interpretations.Other than tithing what scriptural views does he hold that differ enough from the brethren for him to think they are in apostasy?
BookofMormonLuvr Posted July 5, 2015 Posted July 5, 2015 Do I use your interpretation of the scriptures? If so I probably can't. However I reject the premise that your interpretation is inerrant.If Waterman is wrong scripturally, you should be able to show it by the scriptures.Basically, this is 29 pages of complaining that Waterman "doesn't support the Breththren" without any real effort to refute what he has actually said in his blogs.
smac97 Posted July 5, 2015 Posted July 5, 2015 If Waterman is wrong scripturally, you should be able to show it by the scriptures.Basically, this is 29 pages of complaining that Waterman "doesn't support the Breththren" without any real effort to refute what he has actually said in his blogs. I found Waterman's theory about tithing to be poorly reasoned, tendentious, and generally wrongheaded. But I have no particular interest in the goings on of Mr. Waterman, except to say that I wish him well and hope that he some day returns to the Church. Thanks, -Smac 1
Avatar4321 Posted July 5, 2015 Posted July 5, 2015 If Waterman is wrong scripturally, you should be able to show it by the scriptures.Basically, this is 29 pages of complaining that Waterman "doesn't support the Breththren" without any real effort to refute what he has actually said in his blogs.And much of that time I've been here asking what he thinks the brethren are wrong about. Ill I've seen mentioned is tithing. Considering they say tithing is between us and God I'm not sure that's accurate.
ERayR Posted July 5, 2015 Posted July 5, 2015 If Waterman is wrong scripturally, you should be able to show it by the scriptures.Basically, this is 29 pages of complaining that Waterman "doesn't support the Breththren" without any real effort to refute what he has actually said in his blogs. You are either ignoring what I am saying or you are very, very obtuse. In case you haven't noticed the meanings derived from scriptures relies heavily on interpretation. I am pretty sure I could take either side of a scriptural debate and find support for it in scripture. 4
Scott Lloyd Posted July 6, 2015 Posted July 6, 2015 You are either ignoring what I am saying or you are very, very obtuse. In case you haven't noticed the meanings derived from scriptures relies heavily on interpretation. I am pretty sure I could take either side of a scriptural debate and find support for it in scripture.And that's why we have prophets and apostles with the role of receiving ongoing revelation to authoritatively guide us. And that's why Mr. Waterman, in refusing to recognize that fact, errs. 2
Teancum Posted July 6, 2015 Posted July 6, 2015 And that's why we have prophets and apostles with the role of receiving ongoing revelation to authoritatively guide us. And that's why Mr. Waterman, in refusing to recognize that fact, errs.Can prophets and apostles err in their understanding and interpretation of scripture?
ERayR Posted July 6, 2015 Posted July 6, 2015 Can prophets and apostles err in their understanding and interpretation of scripture? That is your choice.
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted July 6, 2015 Posted July 6, 2015 Again, this is arguing his disagreement with church leaders, not his view of scriptures. Can anyone show us where his scriptural views are scripturally wrong? Anyone who has read his blog can't say he doesn't make a strong case, only that it doesn't fit with current interpretations. I seem to remember a passage that the scriptures are not for private interpretation. Why should I give his interpretation any credence? Thank you very much.
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted July 6, 2015 Posted July 6, 2015 Can prophets and apostles err in their understanding and interpretation of scripture?Yes and? I am more likely to trust them then some dude that has an ax to grind.
Teancum Posted July 7, 2015 Posted July 7, 2015 That is your choice.I do not understand your response, It is my choice as to whether prophets and apostles can err in their interpretation of scripture? How so?
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