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When Pres. Packet spoke in GC conference he was so frail and sickly that I couldn't understand him. So I recently read the transcript. Pres. Packer talks about sexual sin a lot but this time, to my surprise, he spoke much about the positive side of sexuality. It's a good read and may very well be his last talk in GC.

https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2015/04/the-plan-of-happiness?lang=eng

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Packer get's grief from critics for sure. But sometimes what I notice is his talks seem to hurt people in the Church too.

Things like this:

The power of procreation is not an incidental part of the plan; it is the plan of happiness; it is the key to happiness.

But romantic love is incomplete; it is a prelude. Love is nourished by the coming of children, who spring from that fountain of life entrusted to couples in marriage.

Seem to neglect those who remain single, or lack the ability to participate in the power of procreation. Sometimes I focus too much on what might push people away rather than the overall message. I get all caught up in people's talks for the trees that seem to reach down and smack some people around, unnecessarily.

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Packer get's grief from critics for sure. But sometimes what I notice is his talks seem to hurt people in the Church too.

Things like this:

Seem to neglect those who remain single, or lack the ability to participate in the power of procreation. Sometimes I focus too much on what might push people away rather than the overall message. I get all caught up in people's talks for the trees that seem to reach down and smack some people around, unnecessarily.

 

 

There is a general principle where leaders "teach the rule, not the exception", but having known couples who struggled to have children, I can only imagine how they feel hearing such statements.

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Packer get's grief from critics for sure. But sometimes what I notice is his talks seem to hurt people in the Church too.

Things like this:

Seem to neglect those who remain single, or lack the ability to participate in the power of procreation. Sometimes I focus too much on what might push people away rather than the overall message. I get all caught up in people's talks for the trees that seem to reach down and smack some people around, unnecessarily.

 

Would you neglect giving much needed counsel to married couples because it seems to neglect singles? 

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Would you neglect giving much needed counsel to married couples because it seems to neglect singles?

not at all. But I would not advocate for, say, people who are attracted to those of the same sex to remain single and celibate for their lives then suggest that they simply can't be a part of the plan of happiness.

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Would you neglect giving much needed counsel to married couples because it seems to neglect singles? 

 

I don't think you don't need to tell married couples, or singles for that matter, how awesome sex is, or that sex makes babies.

 

 

Also, the phrasing of this comment is also a little odd:

 

But romantic love is incomplete; it is a prelude. Love is nourished by the coming of children, who spring from that fountain of life entrusted to couples in marriage.

 

We all know that "that fountain of life" isn't just entrusted to couples in marriage.  It would probably have made more sense to say "that fountain of life that should be only entrusted to couples in marriage" or something like that.

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There is a general principle where leaders "teach the rule, not the exception", but having known couples who struggled to have children, I can only imagine how they feel hearing such statements.

President Packer addressed this in his talk.

 

I quoted it in another thread.

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Why is it that GC talks about marriage and family seem to have more push-back than any other topic?

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I don't think you don't need to tell married couples, or singles for that matter, how awesome sex is, or that sex makes babies.

 

 

Also, the phrasing of this comment is also a little odd:

 

 

We all know that "that fountain of life" isn't just entrusted to couples in marriage.  It would probably have made more sense to say "that fountain of life that should be only entrusted to couples in marriage" or something like that.

It is only entrusted to them. Others are forbidden to engage in it, although they might seize it in ignorance or defiance of divine law.

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I was told his polio came back, by a gal in my ward. Is that possible?

Btw, I think it's sweet that he spoke about his marriage, but with his talks about homosexuality in the past, some people may have misconceptions about what his talks are.

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Tacenda, homosexuality in the past? Boyd K. Packer was a homosexual????

I doubt that, I mean his talks on homosexuality. Surely you've heard them, or are you messing with me?
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It is hard not to envy the loving couple in sacrament meeting or the adorable toddler who makes faces at me. Even being around my nieces and nephews can be bittersweet despite how much I enjoy them.

I know exactly what you mean. It really sucks. Big time. But I don't complain every time I hear a talk about family.

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I admit there are times when talks on families and family responsibilities and marriage have twisted a knife emotionally. It is hard not to envy the loving couple in sacrament meeting or the adorable toddler who makes faces at me. Even being around my nieces and nephews can be bittersweet despite how much I enjoy them.

 

It can hurt but I put on my big boy garments and deal with it. My pain is mine and not because of the speaker teaching things that need to be taught or because others are more blessed right now. I don't know whether my deficiency is due to a personal shortcoming or shortcomings, some extended trial, or is just part of some larger plan for the happiness of myself and/or others that makes no sense at the moment. I am here to submit my will to Gods not covet that which he has not seen fit to give me no matter how righteous the desire for it is.

It was that sort of attitude that got me through.

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not at all. But I would not advocate for, say, people who are attracted to those of the same sex to remain single and celibate for their lives then suggest that they simply can't be a part of the plan of happiness.

Why do you think President Packer was suggesting that those with SSA "simply can't be a part of the plan of happiness"?

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not at all. But I would not advocate for, say, people who are attracted to those of the same sex to remain single and celibate for their lives then suggest that they simply can't be a part of the plan of happiness.

 

I think you have some serious misconceptions.

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Why do you think President Packer was suggesting that those with SSA "simply can't be a part of the plan of happiness"?

Hey Kenngo.

I admit I get a little worried about many people who are close to me, when I hear these types of things. For instance, I have a dear friend. He's gay. he loves the Church, but when he hears things like what Elder Packer says, he's hurt. You see, he was told, most recently by Elder Oaks, it is recommended he stay single and celibate--going into a heterosexual marriage can be problematic for him--for the rest of his life. But Elder Packer says, the plan of happiness is really only available for those who can practice the power of procreation--saying that procreation is the plan of happiness and the key to happiness, gives him a quick slap in the face. Surely he takes it on the chin. He deals with it. He tries to refocus on that which is important to him. But it still hurts. It still feels like, to him, that he is not a part of the whole plan. That's he's not loved and appreciated, seeing as someone is out there claiming he has no part, for the rest of his life, in what is the plan of happiness.

Hope that little example of one dear friend makes sense regarding my previous point. And thanks for asking.

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I think you have some serious misconceptions.

we all do. But if I do, I'd like to understand what those are and why, rather than just being told I'm wrong.

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Packer get's grief from critics for sure. But sometimes what I notice is his talks seem to hurt people in the Church too.

Things like this:

Seem to neglect those who remain single, or lack the ability to participate in the power of procreation. Sometimes I focus too much on what might push people away rather than the overall message. I get all caught up in people's talks for the trees that seem to reach down and smack some people around, unnecessarily.

As one of those couples that were not blessed with children, I am fine with talks like this. It used to bother my wife a lot, until an inspired Bishop called her to Primary, she's still there after 7 years and they're all 'her kids'

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