passport Posted March 3, 2015 Posted March 3, 2015 Its one thing to look at the fossil record but its a completely different thing to believe that each new layer evolved into the next suddenly changing. Thats a fairytale. Yes, this "suddenly changing" thing is a fairytale that evolution deniers tell about the theory of evolution because they don't actually understand it.
passport Posted March 3, 2015 Posted March 3, 2015 The scientific method isnt used for evolutionists and their theories of how the fossils got tjere or evolution for that matter. That is a joke, right? It amazes me that people just casually dismiss a field of hard science that they haven't even shown any understanding of.
Nofear Posted March 3, 2015 Posted March 3, 2015 That is a joke, right? It amazes me that people just casually dismiss a field of hard science that they haven't even shown any understanding of. Just please don't hold it against the LDS community as a whole. 1
thesometimesaint Posted March 3, 2015 Posted March 3, 2015 Sure. Just believe what I told you is substantial. So I have to have faith for science to work?SEE
Ahab Posted March 3, 2015 Posted March 3, 2015 (edited) So I have to have faith for science to work?That's not what I was saying. Go back a few posts to see what I said which Teancum responded to.You can actually do some scientific research to see that once upon a time all the people on this Earth realized that our Father in heaven is really our Father in heaven. And by really I'm talking about literally and directly and biologically, in flesh and bone, rather than only symbolically or metaphorically. That he and our Mother in heaven actually gave birth to our spirits as well as bodies of flesh and bone to the two of us that gave birth to all the rest of us who have been born here through them. Everyone here knew how it all worked back then, and then over time, not too long after that moment, some people stopped believing it happened as it really happened and started to come up with fables and fairy tales, which while being entertaining and interesting stories were really not true. Fast forward now to about 150 or so years ago when someone came up with the idea of evolution and other people slowly started buying into it and accepting that idea as the truth, with all of its flaws.At least now people are realizing that it's impossible for one kind of being to become another kind of being, like a cat becoming a dog or a fish becoming an ape or any other kind of being becoming a man. But too many people still accept fables and fairy tales as if they are reality stories. Edited March 3, 2015 by Ahab
thesometimesaint Posted March 3, 2015 Posted March 3, 2015 That's not what I was saying. Go back a few posts to see what I said which Teancum responded to.You can actually do some scientific research to see that once upon a time all the people on this Earth realized that our Father in heaven is really our Father in heaven. And by really I'm talking about literally and directly and biologically, in flesh and bone, rather than only symbolically or metaphorically. That he and our Mother in heaven actually gave birth to our spirits as well as bodies of flesh and bone to the two of us that gave birth to all the rest of us who have been born here through them. Everyone here knew how it all worked back then, and then over time, not too long after that moment, some people stopped believing it happened as it really happened and started to come up with fables and fairy tales, which will being entertaining and interesting stories were really not true. Fast forward now to about 100 or so years ago when someone came up with the idea of evolution and other people slowly started buying into it and accepting that idea as the truth, with all of its flaws.At least now people are realizing that it's impossible for one kind of being to become another kind of being, like a cat becoming a dog or a fish becoming an ape or any other kind of being becoming a man. But too many people still accept fables and fairy tales as if they are reality stories. First that is an Ad Populum argument. Secondly, there is no scientifically verifiable way to posit any God. Thirdly, the Scriptures don't claim that we are biologically related to God. They claim we are made out of a pile of dust God breathed into. That we are the "SPIRITUAL" children of God. The idea of evolution is thousands of years old.SEE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_evolutionary_thought What they didn't have a way to substantiate it. We have that now. BTW The earth isn't flat covered by a solid dome either which is claimed in the Bible I have never said it is without flaws. It is the fact that after some 150 years after the Theory of Evolution was proposed every scientific test against it has failed to falsify it. As has been repeatedly ask of you is that you falsify it using the tool of science. Go down in history as the man who disproved evolution. The Theory of Evolution doesn't say that.SEE The term "kind" is undefinable by science.
Rob Osborn Posted March 3, 2015 Posted March 3, 2015 First that is an Ad Populum argument. Secondly, there is no scientifically verifiable way to posit any God. Thirdly, the Scriptures don't claim that we are biologically related to God. They claim we are made out of a pile of dust God breathed into. That we are the "SPIRITUAL" children of God. The idea of evolution is thousands of years old.SEE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_evolutionary_thought What they didn't have a way to substantiate it. We have that now. BTW The earth isn't flat covered by a solid dome either which is claimed in the Bible I have never said it is without flaws. It is the fact that after some 150 years after the Theory of Evolution was proposed every scientific test against it has failed to falsify it. As has been repeatedly ask of you is that you falsify it using the tool of science. Go down in history as the man who disproved evolution. The Theory of Evolution doesn't say that.SEE The term "kind" is undefinable by science.Macro-evolution has already been debunked. Problem is that evolutionists dont want to see that truth. All things denote their is a God. Atheists try to discount this fact.
Rob Osborn Posted March 3, 2015 Posted March 3, 2015 Rob you can continue to deny evidence all day long if you wish. It may help you to personally keep you grounded in a testimony that may crumble if you wanted to challenge yourself. And I know... that is a painful thing. So in a way I don't blame you. On the other hand, relying in documents that cliam to be the word of God when evidence shows that maybe this is really not the case, well I don't know. Truth is more important to me at least than maintaining false assumptions no matter how painful.The truth has already set me free. Now I just need to convince those atheists...
Rob Osborn Posted March 3, 2015 Posted March 3, 2015 Yes, this "suddenly changing" thing is a fairytale that evolution deniers tell about the theory of evolution because they don't actually understand it.Oh, I understand very well that evolution is a fairytale. Kind of sad isnt it?
Rob Osborn Posted March 3, 2015 Posted March 3, 2015 That is a joke, right? It amazes me that people just casually dismiss a field of hard science that they haven't even shown any understanding of.Whats there to dismiss? If they actually had something to start with that would be one thing. All I am dismissing is their overactive imaginations.
Ahab Posted March 3, 2015 Posted March 3, 2015 (edited) First that is an Ad Populum argument.You like to label things, don't you?I'd just like you to make sure that whatever you say is true, or funny. I don't care if it is or ever becomes popular. Secondly, there is no scientifically verifiable way to posit any God.Yes there is, and you can start by defining what you mean by "God" before you say he/it can't be posited.But you guys won't even come up with a standard definition for what a "kind" of being is so I don't hold on to any hope that you will eventually come up with a definition of God as the supreme kind, not even if God could be the thing you are looking for to explain the origin of all kinds of beings here on this planet.Thirdly, the Scriptures don't claim that we are biologically related to God. They claim we are made out of a pile of dust God breathed into. That we are the "SPIRITUAL" children of God.You must have a very limited view of what scripture is to make a statement like that. We have been told more than that.The idea of evolution is thousands of years old.SEE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_evolutionary_thoughtWhat they didn't have a way to substantiate it. We have that now.But you're not talking about one kind of being becoming a different kind of being, like a cat becoming a dog or a fish becoming an ape or a man or any other kind of being, are you. According to your videos you science guys are saying that is not what you mean by evolution. You guys are saying that would actually disprove evolution. And all we have been trying to tell you guys is that we know that doesn't happen, whether it is called evolution or not.So harp on that! Let us know, over and over again, consistently, that YOU GUYS know that one kind of being does not become another kind of being and that evolution theory does NOT posit that notion! BTW The earth isn't flat covered by a solid dome either which is claimed in the Bible.Yes it does. It's called the atmosphere.I have never said it is without flaws. It is the fact that after some 150 years after the Theory of Evolution was proposed every scientific test against it has failed to falsify it. As has been repeatedly ask of you is that you falsify it using the tool of science. Go down in history as the man who disproved evolution.You guys already agree with the point I want you to realize. You're just not very good at getting the word out to ALL scientist types or to anyone else who doesn't realize what evolution is all about. I call that a PR problem because it doesn't help you guys to have people think incorrectly about what YOU GUYS think of as evolution. You need to make it more clear that you think cats becoming dogs or fish becoming apes or men or any other kind of being is IMPOSSIBLE.The Theory of Evolution doesn't say that.SEE The term "kind" is undefinable by science.Okay, here's another chance for you to get your message out perfectly clear that evolution does NOT mean one kind of being becomes another kind of a being, like a cat becoming a dog, etc.And you should figure out a way to define what a certain "kind" of being is as soon as you can. Edited March 3, 2015 by Ahab 2
Nofear Posted March 3, 2015 Posted March 3, 2015 Some fuel for the fire. Why People "Fly from Facts"As biased as the author of the article is, that doesn't negate that there is some validity to the idea. So after examining the power of untestable beliefs, what have we learned about dealing with human psychology? We’ve learned that bias is a disease and to fight it we need a healthy treatment of facts and education. We find that when facts are injected into the conversation, the symptoms of bias become less severe. But, unfortunately, we’ve also learned that facts can only do so much. To avoid coming to undesirable conclusions, people can fly from the facts and use other tools in their deep belief protecting toolbox. We could link the author this thread for anecdotal evidence of the above. 1
passport Posted March 3, 2015 Posted March 3, 2015 Oh, I understand very well that evolution is a fairytale. Kind of sad isnt it? No, actual evolution is reality. Your distorted claims about evolution are the fairy tales.
passport Posted March 3, 2015 Posted March 3, 2015 And you should figure out a way to define what a certain "kind" of being is as soon as you can. It is Ken Ham and his followers that claim that there is a biological category called "kinds". The burden of defining it is on those that claim that this category exists.
passport Posted March 3, 2015 Posted March 3, 2015 That's not what I was saying. Go back a few posts to see what I said which Teancum responded to. You can actually do some scientific research to see that once upon a time all the people on this Earth realized that our Father in heaven is really our Father in heaven. And by really I'm talking about literally and directly and biologically, in flesh and bone, rather than only symbolically or metaphorically. That he and our Mother in heaven actually gave birth to our spirits as well as bodies of flesh and bone to the two of us that gave birth to all the rest of us who have been born here through them. Everyone here knew how it all worked back then, and then over time, not too long after that moment, some people stopped believing it happened as it really happened and started to come up with fables and fairy tales, which while being entertaining and interesting stories were really not true. Please show this research. Fast forward now to about 150 or so years ago when someone came up with the idea of evolution and other people slowly started buying into it and accepting that idea as the truth, with all of its flaws. The idea that species change over time was around long before Darwin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_evolutionary_thought. Darwin helped turn this speculation into a scientific theory. It is accepted in scientific circles because of the evidence from the fossil record, genetics, dna testing etc. At least now people are realizing that it's impossible for one kind of being to become another kind of being, like a cat becoming a dog or a fish becoming an ape or any other kind of being becoming a man. But too many people still accept fables and fairy tales as if they are reality stories. Strawman. Who believes that a contemporary animal can turn into another contemporary animal? Not anyone who understands the theory of evolution.
Ahab Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 Please show this research.Do it yourself.The idea that species change over time was around long before Darwin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_evolutionary_thought. Darwin helped turn this speculation into a scientific theory. It is accepted in scientific circles because of the evidence from the fossil record, genetics, dna testing etc.From what I've read Darwin's ideas about evolution were considered revolutionary during his time rather than what those in his day already accepted.Strawman. Who believes that a contemporary animal can turn into another contemporary animal? Not anyone who understands the theory of evolution.Why are you saying "contemporary" animal? The science is the same in any time period, so according to evolutionary science no animal of any kind can turn into another kind of animal.
Rob Osborn Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 No, actual evolution is reality. Your distorted claims about evolution are the fairy tales.How does it really stack up? Have we ever documented or observed a living species evolve into an entirely different species? No. Have we really shown where abiogenesis is even a viable theory? No, it cant even get passed the stage of being a hypothesis by science standards. Its not that we can show species can vary, they do, its that we cant prove that the variance involved can answer why we have such a great and diverse amount of highly functional and intelligent lifeforms. So when you say "reality" it doesnt mean much because all of your evidences rely so heavily on conjecture rather than the scientific method. The scientific method shows the "reality" that intelligent life is very very precise in its copy mechanisms and that species show stasis to a high degree over the course of time. Just because all species share common elements is not because they share a common ancestor and thus the "reality" you paint is on an invisible canvas that no one can see and measure by scientific standards.We have brought up various cases like the evolution of the eye, and have shown cases of supposed different levels of eye evolution development, but there is no reality of evolution but rather a reality that different species are created different for their environments. I would really like to fly but how do I get there by evolutionist theory? Is my reality just a matter of finding the right mate that likes to climb trees, or can jump high? Perhaps its not ever in the cards for humans to fly, but by evolutionary theory, the reality of it is as sure as the sun rising tomorrow because after all- I dont really have to show scientific proof, I just have to sell it to my colleagues and get it printed in enough books to convince the mindless masses.
ERayR Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 No, actual evolution is reality. Your distorted claims about evolution are the fairy tales. Lets be more precise. Micro-evolution is reality. Macro-evolution is active imagination/fairy tale.
Rob Osborn Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 Macro-evolution is a theory. Everybody happy?If we say macro-evolution is a theory then so too must Intelligent design also be classified as theory. With that I am happy!
pogi Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 If we say macro-evolution is a theory then so too must Intelligent design also be classified as theory. With that I am happy! For me personally, ID is more than theory. God created us in his image...let science figure out how. God didn't tell us how he did it, and science is not certainty, so lets not jump to any hard fast conclusions here.
thesometimesaint Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 For me personally, ID is more than theory. God created us in his image...let science figure out how. God didn't tell us how he did it, and science is not certainty, so lets not jump to any hard fast conclusions here. ID is NOT a theory, at least as science uses the term.SEE
pogi Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 ID is NOT a theory, at least as science uses the term. I understand that. It wouldn't make a difference to me if it was. Like I said, for me, it is more than a theory.
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