JLHPROF Posted February 17, 2015 Posted February 17, 2015 On another thread:40 years from now what other prophecies could be made? Billtradomis says the following will happen sometime in the next 40 years - no more 1 year wait period for temple sealings after civil marriage YES- stigma that you don't say no to callings and you don't ask to be released disappears YES- view of Scripture more closely matches that of the CoC MAYBE- Prophets can retire DOUBTFUL- at least 1/3 of the Q12 is born outside of the western united states PROBABLY- other instruments besides piano/organ/strings are permitted SURE, WHY NOT- Amazing Grace will be in the hymn book and come thou fount will return to the hymnbook ?- Knowing will no longer be seen as superior to faith DOUBTFUL- dissent will be more tolerated NOPE- Mormon Doctrine will be disavowed publicly NOPE- practicing Homosexuals will hold formal callings and be permitted to be baptized (may be able to hold the Aaronic PH though their still will be a doctrinal separation of what gays can do vs what heterosexuals can do)PROBABLY, OR SOMETHING SIMILAR- Women will once again be permitted to give blessings and anointings outside the temple. DOUBTFUL- Heavenly Mother will be a more common in church discussion and even be permitted to be addressed in prayer either as H.M. or Heavenly Parents (either or just Heavenly Parents) DOUBTFUL- The race ban itself will be officially disavowed YES- We will narrow what a member has to believe to a smaller set of things (first principles and ordinances and authority) MAYBE, BUT THERE WILL STILL BE A LIST THAT YOU CAN'T BELIEVE VOCALLY Put that on your google Calendar as a reminder and see how much I got right Whether we agree with this list or not (my opinions in red above ) there can be little doubt that just as the Church from 1950 was different from today and the Church from 1900 was different from that and the Church from 1850 was different from that and the Church from 1835 was different from that, so too will the Church of 2050 be different from today. What significant changes (and there will be significant changes, I guarantee it) do you anticipate seeing? To the list above I will add the following:1. Women will be ordained. I don't see how this will be avoided - our current view is as unsustainable in society as the priesthood ban would have been.2. The garment will be eliminated or the whole teaching/usage will be reworked.3. Book of Abraham will be given a new official origin explanation, but remain scripture.4. Young women missions will be the same length as the young men.5. Further changes to the endowment. Come on, speculation is fun...
ERayR Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 Put that on your google Calendar as a reminder and see how much I got right 40 years from now what other prophecies could be made? Billtradomis says the following will happen sometime in the next 40 years - no more 1 year wait period for temple sealings after civil marriage YES PROBABLY- stigma that you don't say no to callings and you don't ask to be released disappears YES ALREADY THERE- view of Scripture more closely matches that of the CoC MAYBE NOPE- Prophets can retire DOUBTFUL DOUBTFUL- at least 1/3 of the Q12 is born outside of the western united states PROBABLY HEADED THAT WAY- other instruments besides piano/organ/strings are permitted SURE, WHY NOT DOUBTFUL- Amazing Grace will be in the hymn book and come thou fount will return to the hymnbook ? DON'T SEE THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS- Knowing will no longer be seen as superior to faith DOUBTFUL DOUBTFULL- dissent will be more tolerated NOPE PUBLIC DISSENT NO- Mormon Doctrine will be disavowed publicly NOPE NO- practicing Homosexuals will hold formal callings and be permitted to be baptized (may be able to hold the Aaronic PH though their still will be a doctrinal separation of what gays can do vs what heterosexuals can do)PROBABLY, OR SOMETHING SIMILAR DOUBTFUL- Women will once again be permitted to give blessings and anointings outside the temple. DOUBTFUL NOPE- Heavenly Mother will be a more common in church discussion and even be permitted to be addressed in prayer either as H.M. or Heavenly Parents (either or just Heavenly Parents) DOUBTFUL NOPE- The race ban itself will be officially disavowed YES PROBABLY NOT- We will narrow what a member has to believe to a smaller set of things (first principles and ordinances and authority) MAYBE, BUT THERE WILL STILL BE A LIST THAT YOU CAN'T BELIEVE VOCALLY THAT IS ABOUT WHERE WE ARE NOW. Put that on your google Calendar as a reminder and see how much I got right
VideoGameJunkie Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 So many lists. So many rules. Just to be saved takes a lot of work.
rockpond Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 On another thread: Whether we agree with this list or not (my opinions in red above ) there can be little doubt that just as the Church from 1950 was different from today and the Church from 1900 was different from that and the Church from 1850 was different from that and the Church from 1835 was different from that, so too will the Church of 2050 be different from today. What significant changes (and there will be significant changes, I guarantee it) do you anticipate seeing? To the list above I will add the following:1. Women will be ordained. I don't see how this will be avoided - our current view is as unsustainable in society as the priesthood ban would have been.2. The garment will be eliminated or the whole teaching/usage will be reworked.3. Book of Abraham will be given a new official origin explanation, but remain scripture.4. Young women missions will be the same length as the young men.5. Further changes to the endowment. Come on, speculation is fun... I agree with Bill's list that you quoted (for the most part) and I agree with the 5 changes you listed. But, I would add some detail to number 4: I think that young women and young men will both serve for the same amount of time but that it will be shortened... probably to 18 months for all. I think that, at least within the US, our current pattern for missionary work is becoming unsustainable. I see missions becoming more service oriented and maybe move more towards building/staffing branches in remote locations.
Rain Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 - other instruments besides piano/organ/strings are permitted They already are: Organs and pianos, or their electronic equivalents, are the standard instruments used in Church meetings. If other instruments are used, their use should be in keeping with the spirit of the meeting. Instruments with a prominent or less worshipful sound, such as most brass and percussion, are not appropriate for sacrament meeting.From the church handbook, emphasis mine. Flute is one not mentioned either in the prediction or in the handbook, but is often played. There are so many instruments in the world that it would be difficult to create a can/can not list. It's wise to state that the instrument should be chosen by the spirit and sound.
Hamba Tuhan Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 They already are. We had clarinets in stake conference this past weekend.
strappinglad Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 If all missions go to 18 months, then few English speakers will be called to foreign missions. That means that foreign missions will be staffed mostly by natives . That will require a major uptick in Melchizedek priesthood holders worldwide. As I have said before, it takes about 6 months to become fluent enough in a foreign language especially Mandarin or Finnish or Russian etc. That means that truly productive time in country would be about 1 year. Not very efficient. There was little gain shown the last time 18 month missions were tried. 2
rockpond Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 (edited) If all missions go to 18 months, then few English speakers will be called to foreign missions. That means that foreign missions will be staffed mostly by natives . That will require a major uptick in Melchizedek priesthood holders worldwide. As I have said before, it takes about 6 months to become fluent enough in a foreign language especially Mandarin or Finnish or Russian etc. That means that truly productive time in country would be about 1 year. Not very efficient. There was little gain shown the last time 18 month missions were tried.Sisters currently serve in foreign speaking missions for 18 months. I'm not aware of any attempts to restrict them to only native speaking missions. But I do agree with your point that you lose a big portion of their most effective time in the mission. Also, there are ways we could get around that... Perhaps asking LDS youth to take more language training in high school. Or, spend more time each day (while on a mission) studying the language with some custome design programs. Edited February 18, 2015 by rockpond
Brian 2.0 Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 (edited) I predict the following church essay: The church disavows the theories being the ban on brass in sacrament meeting. Past prophets were subject to the prejudices of their day and statements like "the devil's brass" and such are not church doctrine and should not be taught. There appears to be no revelation about the beginning of the ban on brass, but we no longer ban brass today. The church loves and supports all sacred music, including those produced by brass instruments. Many saints believed this essay would soon be following by one denouncing the ban on playing cards, but it never came and face cards, or "The Devil's Bible", continued to be looked down upon. Edited February 18, 2015 by Brian 2.0 1
carbon dioxide Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 Women will be ordained. I don't see how this will be avoided - our current view is as unsustainable in society as the priesthood ban would have been.Even though I don't see how what is unsustainable in society has any relevance to what happens in the Church, I am all for giving the women the priesthood. I would even go a step further. I would want the priesthood taken away from the men. Let the women do all the work. I have no problem with that. Then the women will start complaining and want to be like the men and desire not to have the priesthood.
rongo Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 2. The garment will be eliminated or the whole teaching/usage will be reworked.If this ever happened, I would continue to wear mine. And stock up on spares . . . I don't think it's remotely likely. This would be a giant leap towards CoCism. 1
carbon dioxide Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 The church will change a little thing here there but they are mostly minor. I like the fact that the Church is stable and does not change much. If you like change, join the CoC church. They will give you all the change you can ever want and more.
JLHPROF Posted February 18, 2015 Author Posted February 18, 2015 The church will change a little thing here there but they are mostly minor. I like the fact that the Church is stable and does not change much. If you like change, join the CoC church. They will give you all the change you can ever want and more. Hahahahaha...oh wait. You were serious. The list of changes in the Church, ranging from minor little things to big major things, is very long and not finished by any means.
JLHPROF Posted February 18, 2015 Author Posted February 18, 2015 If this ever happened, I would continue to wear mine. And stock up on spares . . . I don't think it's remotely likely. This would be a giant leap towards CoCism. I would agree, but I think it will happen. The attitude of members towards them and the history of changes to them point clearly in that direction.
carbon dioxide Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 Hahahahaha...oh wait. You were serious. The list of changes in the Church, ranging from minor little things to big major things, is very long and not finished by any means.What you might call major I may call minor. I can only think of two or three significant changes that have occurred in the past 100 years and they are not changes regarding eternal truths but church practice.
rongo Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 I would agree, but I think it will happen. The attitude of members towards them and the history of changes to them point clearly in that direction.Well, "as for me and my house" . . . I hope you're wrong. 1
strappinglad Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 I predict that in the future the Church will follow the " evolution " that is set out in the Book of Mormon. Read it and weep. 1
Sevenbak Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 (Or in other words) Prediction... The prophet will come down from the mount to find the saints in riotous living and not ready for any higher laws. He will cast the doctrines and ordinances set in stone, and break them upon the Golden iPad that the people have built into themselves. The people will then live the lesser law for 40 years as they wander in the proverbial faithless wilderness, infested with poisonous serpents of political correctness and ravenous beasts of false isms.
mnn727 Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 (edited) I agree with Bill's list that you quoted (for the most part) and I agree with the 5 changes you listed. But, I would add some detail to number 4: I think that young women and young men will both serve for the same amount of time but that it will be shortened... probably to 18 months for all. I think that, at least within the US, our current pattern for missionary work is becoming unsustainable. I see missions becoming more service oriented and maybe move more towards building/staffing branches in remote locations.That's already being spearheaded in 3 missions (including here in Dallas)with some good success. Rather than knocking on doors, our missionaries are out in the community doing service projects (food banks, hospitals, nursing homes, community projects, etc) Baptisms have actually gone up. -- see www.justserve.org Edited February 18, 2015 by mnn727 4
rockpond Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 That's already being spearheaded in 3 missions (including here in Dallas)with some good success. Rather than knocking on doors, our missionaries are out in the community doing service projects (food banks, hospitals, nursing homes, community projects, etc) Baptisms have actually gone up. -- see www.justserve.org Yeah... I had heard of it being done in a California mission but didn't know how widespread it was yet. It's good to hear that the results have been positive (not that I expected differently -- the pattern has already been laid out in the Book of Mormon, right?). I don't see that we have many other options though I am open to ideas. My ward is made up of primarily single family homes in an area where, for the most part, the homes are either empty during the day or there is a stay-at-home mom there. The Elders obviously can't go in if it's just a mom, home alone. They've tracted out all the neighborhoods and the one apartment complex we have has banned them from knocking doors. As members, we try to give them referrals but have never been able to give them enough to keep them busy. So, for now, the ward mission leaders is scheduling appointments for the missionaries to come teach families in the ward. But even that can only really happen during the evenings.
carbon dioxide Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 Yeah... I had heard of it being done in a California mission but didn't know how widespread it was yet. It's good to hear that the results have been positive (not that I expected differently -- the pattern has already been laid out in the Book of Mormon, right?). I don't see that we have many other options though I am open to ideas. My ward is made up of primarily single family homes in an area where, for the most part, the homes are either empty during the day or there is a stay-at-home mom there. The Elders obviously can't go in if it's just a mom, home alone. They've tracted out all the neighborhoods and the one apartment complex we have has banned them from knocking doors. As members, we try to give them referrals but have never been able to give them enough to keep them busy. So, for now, the ward mission leaders is scheduling appointments for the missionaries to come teach families in the ward. But even that can only really happen during the evenings.Daytime tracting was completely useless when I was in Chicago. I counted 26 doors we knocked on before someone even answered. Many of them probably were not even home.
rockpond Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 Daytime tracting was completely useless when I was in Chicago. I counted 26 doors we knocked on before someone even answered. Many of them probably were not even home. Definitely a reality of life in much of the US these days (and probably elsewhere in the world). Different from my days in South America. But imagine if those people (who aren't at home during the day) saw missionaries out serving in hospitals, soup kitchens, homeless shelters, care centers for disabled, libraries, parks, habitat for humanity, etc.
rongo Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 Definitely a reality of life in much of the US these days (and probably elsewhere in the world). Different from my days in South America. But imagine if those people (who aren't at home during the day) saw missionaries out serving in hospitals, soup kitchens, homeless shelters, care centers for disabled, libraries, parks, habitat for humanity, etc.There's also the effect of people seeing the missionaries out doing "futile" tracting. Even when not meeting with "success," they are visible and a link in the chain of eventual openness. At any time of day, we see eight or so missionaries on the computers at our public library for hours (or at Walmart). Or playing with their "hastening devices" in public. I think it looks bad.
rockpond Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 There's also the effect of people seeing the missionaries out doing "futile" tracting. Even when not meeting with "success," they are visible and a link in the chain of eventual openness. At any time of day, we see eight or so missionaries on the computers at our public library for hours (or at Walmart). Or playing with their "hastening devices" in public. I think it looks bad. Yeah -- there's a benefit to being visible. Two missionaries out riding bikes in suits is an iconic image for the Mormons. But is that the best image? I'm with you on the library thing. I keep wondering if the mission should find a way to limit how many missionaries descend on our local public library at any given time. Sometimes they are just dominating the computer lab and I think: "that can't look good to outsiders". I wish we could just give them access to the computer in our meetinghouses.
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