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I will briefly review my history for those who have forgotten or don't know me well. I have been inactive for a number of years and have just recently returned to Church. I didn't break any temple covenants while inactive, and continued to wear my garments and pay a full tithe. I did experience some Word of Wisdom problems, but stopped several months ago, and have repented and kept up regular meetings with my Bishop for the past year, to discuss my progress and goals during my reactivation. The meetings began while I was inactive, and are continuing.

This past Sunday my Bishop presented a calling to me, the nature of which I can't discuss yet because I've not been sustained yet. However, I would like to relate to you all some things that my Bishop told me at the time he presented this calling to me. Things I have struggled with.

First, he told me that he had had a personal revelation about me specifically, telling him to offer me this calling. That part was great. No issues there.

Then he proceeded to tell me that the Presidency involved in this position said very plainly that they did not want me in the position. And that the counselor in the Bishopric over this organization expressed serious reservations too.

The Bishop told me that he ended up having to just about force the issue, and that he "really went to bat" for me.

He told me that when these folks realized that he WAS going to extend the calling to me despite their protests, they then came up with the suggestion of calling an additional person to share the calling with me. He vetoed that idea too, saying that me doing it on my own was a great opportunity for growth and experience. This position is held by only one person, and calling a second person to the same position is absolutely outside the norm.

Now, he tried to soften all of this by saying that he didn't think they didn't want me because I couldn't do the job, but that he thought it was because they were afraid that I would be overwhelmed by it and stop coming again due to the stress that goes along with this calling. They told him that they wanted someone who could "hit the ground running."

I didn't particularly want to go into this organization in the first place. They don't want me in it anyway. To me this is a recipe for disaster.

I did accept the calling and am supposed to be sustained and set apart this coming Sunday. Despite my own reservations about this organization, I have prayed about it and felt the Spirit. I will do my very best and have faith in the Lord that He will be beside me all the way.

Nevertheless, it feels like I'm going into a place where I am clearly not wanted, and that the odds are already stacked against me for success. I dislike having to be "forced" on anyone. I feel that I'm diving head first into a very hostile situation.

Thoughts? Advice? Thanks in advance. I am really struggling with all of this.

 

The best revenge is success.

 

I would suggest that you view the whole mess as a challenge to stretch beyond what the others expect of you, and to really magnify the calling.

 

It sure beats proving them right, or crawling into a hole and wanting to die.

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It is not all your fault. Your husband could have chosen to stay true in his heart even if he gave up trying. If he was a EQ pres and attending the temple, he knows the consequences of his actions as much as you do and he had as much right and influence of the Spirit in his life as you did. I know plenty of spouses who keep the WoW, read scriptures, pray, etc. even while not attending to keep family harmony. It is impossible for you to take away your family's agency. They are not your puppets. It is insulting to your husband to take the blame all on yourself and it won't help him to change and become a better person if you refuse to allow him to be responsible.

It is harder to tell with your kids what influence you had on them and what other influence might be encouraging them to make the mistakes they are making. But they have the light of Christ in their lives and are making their own choice whether or not to listen to him. It is not right to either belittle their ability to feel Christ or his ability to help direct them. You are not helping them by making excuses for them. Why should they change if they can blame you for all their problems?

My mom keeps going on about mistakes she made as a parent, it ticks me off it has been going on for so long. She did the best she could. She did not intentionally harm us and loved us to the best of her ability. I am who I am because of what I did with what she gave me, to keep second guessing herself conveys the message I am not good enough in her view...though I know this is not what she really means, she just doesn't understand the message she is giving because she is so focused on what she did she is ignoring the implications of what she is thinking.

Wasting energy and focusing on what might have beens may prevent you from seeing opportunities to help others be the best they can be in the here and now with what they've got. Don't give into the temptation to wallow in past choices gone wrong, that is the despair that the natural (wo)man wants to give into so she doesn't have to work or change now.

I understand where you're coming from, but feeling sorrow is a part of the repentance process. The last step is to make restitution, which is the point where I'm at right now. I think I'll feel sorrow until I've done all I could, and "labored unceasingly" in an effort to make up for what I did.

Yes, we all have the Light of Christ within us. And we all can choose right or wrong with our free agency. But part of free agency is understanding both choices, good or bad, and the consequences of each.

The Light of Christ is in my children, yes. And it leads them to make proper choices in some circumstances. Like, I think they know that going out and murdering someone is a bad choice, so they choose the right and don't do that. Society had taught them the consequences of making bad societal choices.

But no one has taught them about the consequences of spiritual choices, for good or bad. They do not know any better than to make these choices because nobody taught them what the right choices are. They don't have a clue what the Word of Wisdom is. No concept of moral cleanliness. They are just mirroring what they have gleaned from observing society. So to them, there's nothing wrong with drinking, or having sexual relations before marriage.

If they clearly understood about the negative spiritual consequences of these things, I could understand your point about free agency. But they were never taught what good spiritual choices are. They don't know any better. I should have taught them. Perhaps my husband should have been stronger and stayed faithful. And yes, that is on his shoulders. But my point is that the catalyst for all of this was me, and only me. THAT is what I feel sorrow for, and the consequences.

I have to go for now, much to everyone's relief, I'm sure. I have visiting teaching. I value all of your comments.

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Silhouette...

You say your husband "refuses" to come to Church... so I'm assuming that you've asked him to join you... is it possible to give it another try... to tell him you need to talk, and then sit down with him and take his hands in yours, look him in the eyes and tell him you love him and miss him being at Church with you and sharing the temple with you... that you miss being able to go to him for a priesthood blessing particularly now when you have this calling and need a blessing of comfort.  Can you tell him you want to walk at his side through the eternities.  Ask him to remember how he felt when you were sealed... tell him how you felt.  Is there any spark of testimony left in him? 

You'll be in my prayers... is there a temple near you where you can call and place your names on the prayer roll?  If not, send me a PM and if you feel comfortable tell me your name and I'll place it on the roll of the Portland OR temple. 

 

GG

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Hi Silhouette,

     Just a couple of thoughts that I hope will help.

     The two most important things to keep in mind concerning your calling is that:

     1.) The Bishop received revelation that this is where you should be and the calling that you should have.

     2.) As you mentioned in your OP, you received a confirmation of this revelation of where you should be and that this is the calling you should have.

     Everything else is really irrelevant after this, isn't it?

     Like Rockpond, I too am currently serving in the bishopric (going on my sixth year, in fact), and I have seen many callings been discussed and given. If the bishop feels strongly inspired, and there is potential for great personal and spiritual growth, there will be opposition. Most members, including those who have been active in the church for a long time, begin most callings looking like a deer in the headlights. I think most every calling I've been given in the church has started out with me feeling like I was the least qualified in the building. Hang in there. If the Lord wants you in this particular position, things will work out in time, and you will discover why you were put there.

     As far as those who may not have wanted you to be chosen? Well, my experience with Primary, Relief Society, and Young Women presidencies has been that they can tend to want total control over who they want in their organizations. Our bishop, when he was a bishop in Brazil, often tells the story of when the presidents of all three organizations came to him at separate times trying to get a certain sister into their group. They all came with the same story that they has received an inspiration...which of course is impossible! You may not be perceived at this time as the "right" person to be there, but in time you and everyone else will know that you are the right person to be there. Remember, inspiration and confirmation pretty much trumps everything else.

     As for your situation with your inactivity...as one who was inactive for 9 years I can tell you, and unfortunately so, that there will be struggles that you will have to face as a consequence for your actions or inactions. I face them every day. But I can tell you that putting your past aside, you know that you are on the right path and are moving forward on a daily basis. You have repented and have fully re-embraced the gospel, and you are feeling the strength and peace that only the gospel of Jesus Christ brings. I definitely see this when I read your posts, which I have to say (hopefully not offending anyone), are some of the more gospel centered ones I have read (although we may differ on the nude in art!).

    Again, move forward with patience and long suffering, praying always and doing your best. I promise you that if you let Him, the Lord will be yoked next to you in your calling and in you life and you will become more than you could ever imagine. 

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I understand where you're coming from, but feeling sorrow is a part of the repentance process.

Only to the point that you regret messing up, building on it with a desire to do better and avoid messing up like that again. Don't wallow in sorrow. Don't throw a pity party. Move on, leaving your mistake in your past while you focus on doing nothing but what is good from now on.

The last step is to make restitution, which is the point where I'm at right now. I think I'll feel sorrow until I've done all I could, and "labored unceasingly" in an effort to make up for what I did.

You will never make up for your mess ups because it will always be true that you messed up in your past. All actions have consequences, so you can't make it as if you never messed up. All should do now is fix your eyes forward with the determination to avoid making any more mess ups, and wallowing in sorrow never will do you any good. Stop it, now, or as soon as you can manage to pull yourself together to get on with your life as it is now.

Yes, we all have the Light of Christ within us. And we all can choose right or wrong with our free agency. But part of free agency is understanding both choices, good or bad, and the consequences of each.

The Light of Christ is in my children, yes. And it leads them to make proper choices in some circumstances. Like, I think they know that going out and murdering someone is a bad choice, so they choose the right and don't do that. Society had taught them the consequences of making bad societal choices.

But no one has taught them about the consequences of spiritual choices, for good or bad.

All choices are spiritual in nature, or at least those that have to do with good and evil. To do or not do, and how to choose what is good. Everyone is making spiritual choices every day of their lives even if they don't realize that is what they are doing.

They do not know any better than to make these choices because nobody taught them what the right choices are.

Just tell them that our Father in heaven can help them figure it out. You don't have to tell them which choices are right and which choices are wrong, just tell them how to get answers from God. Just tell them about what a prayer is.

They don't have a clue what the Word of Wisdom is.

Then tell them, or better yet let them read it from the scriptures and other Church teachings about it.

No concept of moral cleanliness. They are just mirroring what they have gleaned from observing society. So to them, there's nothing wrong with drinking, or having sexual relations before marriage.

Oh come on now. They are aware of other choices that they could make instead and they know that there is a best way for them to be. They just need to learn more than they do now, as we all do.

If they clearly understood about the negative spiritual consequences of these things, I could understand your point about free agency. But they were never taught what good spiritual choices are. They don't know any better.

Everybody "of age" who is not mentally retarded knows the difference between good and evil, even if you or they refuse to admit it. All of us still make a lot of bad choices but it's not because we don't know the difference between good and evil.

I should have taught them. Perhaps my husband should have been stronger and stayed faithful. And yes, that is on his shoulders. But my point is that the catalyst for all of this was me, and only me. THAT is what I feel sorrow for, and the consequences.

Whatever you did to mess up you can start doing the best you know how to do now. And don't worry. Our Father isn't done with us yet and we can all just get on with the process of improving ourselves from whatever point our maturity level is at now.

I have to go for now, much to everyone's relief, I'm sure. I have visiting teaching. I value all of your comments.

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Pray and ask if this calling is for you. If you get an answer in the affermative then you always have that to fall back on. If you get a "no" answer then don't take it.

 

Sometimes it is hard to ask why a bishop does this or that. But it is hard to put our selves in their shoes with that responisibility to see how we would act in the same situation. I have no idea why he told you what he did. I have no idea really why those people have reservations. Generally, I have found that when you are sustained most of the nay saying goes away.

 

 

 

 

 

I guess I missed were you said you recieved a confrimation. If that is the case you need to do it. The rest will fall into place.

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Hi Silhouette,

Just a couple of thoughts that I hope will help.

The two most important things to keep in mind concerning your calling is that:

1.) The Bishop received revelation that this is where you should be and the calling that you should have.

2.) As you mentioned in your OP, you received a confirmation of this revelation of where you should be and that this is the calling you should have.

Everything else is really irrelevant after this, isn't it?

Like Rockpond, I too am currently serving in the bishopric (going on my sixth year, in fact), and I have seen many callings been discussed and given. If the bishop feels strongly inspired, and there is potential for great personal and spiritual growth, there will be opposition. Most members, including those who have been active in the church for a long time, begin most callings looking like a deer in the headlights. I think most every calling I've been given in the church has started out with me feeling like I was the least qualified in the building. Hang in there. If the Lord wants you in this particular position, things will work out in time, and you will discover why you were put there.

As far as those who may not have wanted you to be chosen? Well, my experience with Primary, Relief Society, and Young Women presidencies has been that they can tend to want total control over who they want in their organizations. Our bishop, when he was a bishop in Brazil, often tells the story of when the presidents of all three organizations came to him at separate times trying to get a certain sister into their group. They all came with the same story that they has received an inspiration...which of course is impossible! You may not be perceived at this time as the "right" person to be there, but in time you and everyone else will know that you are the right person to be there. Remember, inspiration and confirmation pretty much trumps everything else.

As for your situation with your inactivity...as one who was inactive for 9 years I can tell you, and unfortunately so, that there will be struggles that you will have to face as a consequence for your actions or inactions. I face them every day. But I can tell you that putting your past aside, you know that you are on the right path and are moving forward on a daily basis. You have repented and have fully re-embraced the gospel, and you are feeling the strength and peace that only the gospel of Jesus Christ brings. I definitely see this when I read your posts, which I have to say (hopefully not offending anyone), are some of the more gospel centered ones I have read (although we may differ on the nude in art!).

Again, move forward with patience and long suffering, praying always and doing your best. I promise you that if you let Him, the Lord will be yoked next to you in your calling and in you life and you will become more than you could ever imagine.

Very kind words, indeed. Thank you for the lovely

comment about my posts. As to nude art, perhaps we ought to agree to disagree

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Silhouette...

You say your husband "refuses" to come to Church... so I'm assuming that you've asked him to join you... is it possible to give it another try... to tell him you need to talk, and then sit down with him and take his hands in yours, look him in the eyes and tell him you love him and miss him being at Church with you and sharing the temple with you... that you miss being able to go to him for a priesthood blessing particularly now when you have this calling and need a blessing of comfort. Can you tell him you want to walk at his side through the eternities. Ask him to remember how he felt when you were sealed... tell him how you felt. Is there any spark of testimony left in him?

You'll be in my prayers... is there a temple near you where you can call and place your names on the prayer roll? If not, send me a PM and if you feel comfortable tell me your name and I'll place it on the roll of the Portland OR temple.

GG

Thanks so much for your sweet offer to put my name in the prayer roll in the temple. I'm about 45 minutes away from the Oakland temple, and about the same for the Sacramento temple. My visiting teacher is a dear friend who I lunch with often, and she is an ordinance worker at the Oakland temple. She puts my name on the prayer roll there when things are really tough for me. But thank you so much again for thinking of doing that for me. Edited by Silhouette
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For some reason I can't quote posts at the moment. I wanted to respond to elf's post about best revenge. Revenge shouldn't be a factor.

serving the Lord is alot to do with having the right attitude. We get the blessings of service when we do it with a willing heart and mind. Doing any of it for revenge cheats you out of blessings

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I'm sorry that you are worried about the years you missed. It is a painful situation indeed. Because of our inactivity we did not raise our children in the Gospel. They are very much "of the world" now, with no knowledge of spiritual things whatsoever. No idea of the Savior, no idea of a loving Father in Heaven. Nothing to fall back on in times of despair and sorrow.

We stopped going to Church when they were both very small. They are 22 and 20 now. I'll share something very personal with you, Garden Girl, about this calling that I didn't mention in my

OP.

I went to the Bishop some weeks ago, one of my regular visits with him, and expressed sorrow for not having raised my children in the Gospel. I asked how I might make up for this...what could I DO, for God's sake, to help my poor lost children, because it is my fault alone that we stopped going to Church. At that time he told me to watch General Conference and that I would get my answer there. So I watched. I took notes. I prayed. And I got nothing. No insight whatsoever as to how I could help my children, or what I could do to repent of this.

On Sunday I told my Bishop this. He said that he did indeed think that I would be held accountable by my Heavenly Father for not raising my children in the Gospel. But he said there was still the Atonement, which should give me hope if I but repented.

Then he presented me this calling, and said that this was to start my journey of repentance. He said it will take a long time, but that it was possible.

So I don't know, maybe I'm SUPPOSED to meet with hostility in this calling, and perhaps enduring the pain and hardship of it are meant to hone me spiritually.

I understand your pain at having missed so many years. Would that I had not missed my childrens' entire lives thus far, because of my refusal to endure a few things when they were small.

Bishops are here to learn too, you know.

 

Yes he is your leader and you should listen to him, but take it with a grain of salt.  All of us, as you are learning, are called into positions for which we are not ready, and bishops are not immune.

 

We are here to work together, as Elder Bednar, suggested:

Please note the use of the active word perfecting. As described by Elder Neal A. Maxwell, the Church is not “a well-provisioned rest home for the already perfected” (“A Brother Offended,” Ensign, May 1982, 38). Rather, the Church is a learning laboratory and a workshop in which we gain experience as we practice on each other in the ongoing process of “perfecting the Saints.”

 

https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2006/10/and-nothing-shall-offend-them?lang=eng

 

Hang in there.

 

I know from personal experience that Bishops are not infallible and grow with the calling just like everyone else.

 

You absolutely gotta listen to that whole talk.

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Bishops are here to learn too, you know.

Yes he is your leader and you should listen to him, but take it with a grain of salt. All of us, as you are learning, are called into positions for which we are not ready, and bishops are not immune.

We are here to work together, as Elder Bednar, suggested:

https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2006/10/and-nothing-shall-offend-them?lang=eng

Hang in there.

I know from personal experience that Bishops are not infallible and grow with the calling just like everyone else.

You absolutely gotta listen to that whole talk.

I'll listen to it if I can. I only have a phone that is an iPhone 4, and it's too old to upload the latest OS on. The feed for videos and such on my phone is extremely slow and often freezes up because the phone can't handle that much data.

As for my Bishop, he is very young in experience in his calling. He's only been in the position for a year.

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If was a Bishop in your ward, I would have severely chastised those people for their attitude, and have told you nothing about their opinions. 

[edit] for the reason, that I don't believe it is proper to be spreading opinions around about how one person feels about another. When I was a Bishop, I put up with nothing of the sort.... If that door opens, then it never stops. And it wouldn't end with who is fit for callings or not...

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I'll listen to it if I can. I only have a phone that is an iPhone 4, and it's too old to upload the latest OS on. The feed for videos and such on my phone is extremely slow and often freezes up because the phone can't handle that much data.

As for my Bishop, he is very young in experience in his calling. He's only been in the position for a year.

The talk is also there in text.
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Ok, I went to Church and was sustained and set apart today as the Secretary in the Primary Program. The position entails:

Consulting with the presidency to prepare agendas for presidency meetings. Attending these meetings and taking notes, and keeping track of assignments.

At least quarterly, compiling attendance information and reviews it with the Primary President. Submit the information to the Ward Clerk.

Making sure that the Primary President and Ward Executive Secretary are aware of children who will soon be eligible for baptism and who will soon advance from Primary to the Aaronic Priesthood and Young Women.

Helping the primary presidency prepare an annual budget and account for expenses.

Assisting children, teachers, and parents as requested by the primary presidency. Monitoring classes and maintain reverence during sharing time. Also assigning children to give talks in upcoming sharing times and inform the childrens' parents of the assignments.

Being on standby to take over classes when a teacher is absent.

Arriving at Church early to set up chairs and prepare the Primary room for the kids. Rearrangeing the room between sharing times of the smaller children and the older ones.

Helping maintain reverence during the combined opening excersises.

Lots of work, and I have no computer. Today was my first day in Primary and I've already come home and put three meetings and a baptism on the calendar. All within the next 2 weeks.

It was exciting to be in Primary today, if a bit hectic. The blessing(s) when I was set apart were incredible and reassuring. I can do this, it's just going to take some diligence and effort on my part to learn everything and figure out how to make reports and programs for baptisms and such without a computer.

There was no indication today that these people did not want me there, and I didn't let on that I knew. So.....

Fingers crossed that it'll all work out.

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The talk is also there in text.

Great, thanks so much!

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If was a Bishop in your ward, I would have severely chastised those people for their attitude, and have told you nothing about their opinions.

[edit] for the reason, that I don't believe it is proper to be spreading opinions around about how one person feels about another. When I was a Bishop, I put up with nothing of the sort.... If that door opens, then it never stops. And it wouldn't end with who is fit for callings or not...

Yes, I think maybe my Bishop is still trying to get the hang of his calling. He's only had it for a year, and all that time he's had major family situations going on. His young son has cancer and had to live in isolation at the hospital for several weeks. He was up there a lot of course. And things were not looking well for the boy for a very long time. And just last week his daughter was sent home early from her mission because she was having major health issues too. Plus the poor guy works full time in a heavy commute area, then of course his duties as Bishop.

They found out his son had cancer in the same week he was called as Bishop. Anyway, he has way too much on his plate. That might have been a factor in all of this.

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Take advantage of the resources at lds.org and I bet there is some elist or blog out there for Primary secretaries.

https://www.lds.org/callings/primary/getting-started/roles-and-responsibilities/presidency?lang=eng

At least three pininterest sites specifically for secretary, including:

http://www.pinterest.com/jessallen8/primary-secretary/

Others: http://littleldsideas.blogspot.com/2014/01/primary-2014-monthly-weekly-info-sheets.html

http://theideadoorfiles.com/index.php/primary/226-primary/adult-leadership/secretary/1161-ward-primary-secretary

You could probably spend days looking at all the stuff, good luck.

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Take advantage of the resources at lds.org and I bet there is some elist or blog out there for Primary secretaries.

https://www.lds.org/callings/primary/getting-started/roles-and-responsibilities/presidency?lang=eng

At least three pininterest sites specifically for secretary, including:

http://www.pinterest.com/jessallen8/primary-secretary/

Wow, thanks Calmoriah! You are awesome!

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Tons of stuff out there...

What do you do for computer work?

Is there a library nearby? What about the family history computers? Are they available for use for other church stuff? Is there a neighbour or close friend you could exchange computer time with cooking cookies or something?

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It was exciting to be in Primary today, if a bit hectic. The blessing(s) when I was set apart were incredible and reassuring. I can do this, it's just going to take some diligence and effort on my part to learn everything and figure out how to make reports and programs for baptisms and such without a computer.

 

Hello Silhouette...

My printer is on the blink, so when I have to do sometthing I go to my local library, which has a bank of about 12 computers available to the public.  Only one hour of user time per day however, but usually enough to get done what I need and be able to print it out...

If you get everything organized before you start your alloted computer time, I bet you can get quite a bit done.  Sometimes if it's not busy, the staff will give an extra 1/2 hour time. 

 

GG

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As far as computer work goes, I just don't do any. Any browsing, research, forums, Facebook, Twitter... I have to do all that stuff on my phone. My husband uses computers every day for work. He works at home, but those are strictly for his work and can't be messed with.

There is a library. I'll have to look into that this coming week. There might be a fee you have to pay for a certain amount of time on the computer there, which is fine.

Family History Center computers...I'll have to ask about that too. We had a Family History Fair in the building that houses the computers, and we got the password and stuff. The browser defaults to the FamilySearch website. I'll call the guy over it in that ward and ask if they can be used for other things.

I didn't see any printers there, and not sure if they have printers at the library. We have a printer here at home. My husband does the ward bulletin every week so uses it for that, but again, that's "his" computer and I'm pretty much hands off.

In my setting apart today there were some pretty intense blessings promised if I did all I could in this calling, so it's my intent to do all I possibly can, then let God help me with the rest. I was talking with someone today while waiting to be set apart, and they pointed out that God never gives us an assignment without providing a way to accomplish it. I must just do my best in this calling, then leave the rest to Christ and Heavenly Father, trusting that They will help me to make my weaknesses into strengths, including the ability to accomplish things in this calling that I can't fathom right now.

I hope to begin feeling comfortable in Primary very soon. There's a presidency meeting coming up soon, which I have to be at. Today the President told me that at that meeting we would go over in detail the duties for each of us. One of the counselors is new too. I have to be there to take minutes and notes, so I'm hoping more will fall into place after that.

Regarding a friend's or neighbor's computer, again, something I will have to check into. I would LOVE to purchase my own computer, but my kids and I are all going in together to get my husband a nice big-screen tv for Christmas, so I'm saving all my money for that. I get $50.00 per week "allowance", and it's all going to pay my portion on the tv.

I believe this calling is certainly doable. It's just going to take a bit more effort in finding resources and managing things better than what I've been doing. But I've already got a friend helping me find information

Posted

You might ask the bishop make or have your husband announce in the bulletin if anyone has an old computer or laptop to donate to the Primary. People are getting up grades all the time and if you just need it for word processing and dabatabases, old ones will do nicely.

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Another great suggestion! Thanks! Man, if Primary Secretaries could have counselors of their own, I'd be suggesting your name to the forum's "Bishop".

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