VideoGameJunkie Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 Can someone list everyone they know. I always hear keep the commandments. Are they just talking about the 10 commandments Moses explained, or are there many more? If so, I'm not sure what they all are.
ERayR Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 Can someone list everyone they know. I always hear keep the commandments. Are they just talking about the 10 commandments Moses explained, or are there many more? If so, I'm not sure what they all are.Love Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind Love thy neighbor as thyself Upon these hang all the law and the prophets 2
Ahab Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 Everything God says we should do are his commandments. The "10 commandments" are just basic, standard, examples.
VideoGameJunkie Posted August 19, 2014 Author Posted August 19, 2014 I thought they were also to tithe, keep the Sabbath day holy, pray, etc.
ERayR Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 I thought they were also to tithe, keep the Sabbath day holy, pray, etc. See # 2 above.Then see where your list fits.
thesometimesaint Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 In LDS Scripture it is whatever God says.
The Nehor Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 Love Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind Love thy neighbor as thyself Upon these hang all the law and the prophetsWhile true that Jesus quoted parts of the law as the most important this is often misinterpreted and used to support the facile argument that because they are the most important we can ignore the rest and just love putting them in the position of a married person who insists they love their spouse but are too disinterested to discover what their spouse wants and how to make them happy. In other words a kind of truncated, almost retarded love better suited for fantasies then real people. Then again in my experience most of the people who fall into this trap do not believe in a real God with desires in any case. Note I am not saying that the quote above represents this view, just that it is disturbingly common.
ERayR Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 While true that Jesus quoted parts of the law as the most important this is often misinterpreted and used to support the facile argument that because they are the most important we can ignore the rest and just love putting them in the position of a married person who insists they love their spouse but are too disinterested to discover what their spouse wants and how to make them happy. In other words a kind of truncated, almost retarded love better suited for fantasies then real people. Then again in my experience most of the people who fall into this trap do not believe in a real God with desires in any case.Note I am not saying that the quote above represents this view, just that it is disturbingly common. That is not what he nor I meant. Number one covers your relationship with God, all of it. Number two covers your relation with everybody around you, all of them.
The Nehor Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 That is not what he nor I meant. Number one covers your relationship with God, all of it. Number two covers your relation with everybody around you, all of them.I specifically said I did not think you meant that. I did mean that we could not reduce the Bible to an index card with those two verses on it and then claim we were following all of the commandments.
ERayR Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 I specifically said I did not think you meant that. I did mean that we could not reduce the Bible to an index card with those two verses on it and then claim we were following all of the commandments. I don't think we should reduce the commandments to a check list. If we take those two and live them then we don't need a checklist. When we rely on a checklist we are invariably going to leave something off.
The Nehor Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 I don't think we should reduce the commandments to a check list. If we take those two and live them then we don't need a checklist. When we rely on a checklist we are invariably going to leave something off.I do not think we should reduce them to that either. I often love my job but I would still get fired if i did not tick off my checklist. We undoubtedly will leave something off....which is why we have the atonement. If I love God and my neighbor truly though I will do the best I can with the checklist of ways to help them and repent when I fail. If I have more love for simplicity and soothing my own conscience than I do for God and others than getting rid of that obnoxious checklist makes sense. I personally would love to toss it.
ERayR Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 I do not think we should reduce them to that either. I often love my job but I would still get fired if i did not tick off my checklist. We undoubtedly will leave something off....which is why we have the atonement. If I love God and my neighbor truly though I will do the best I can with the checklist of ways to help them and repent when I fail. If I have more love for simplicity and soothing my own conscience than I do for God and others than getting rid of that obnoxious checklist makes sense. I personally would love to toss it. It is not about loving simplicity and soothing my conscience and it is probably not reasonable to get rid of the checklist as people are checklist oriented but I believe that, when he gave that answer, Jesus was gently rebuking the questioner for a checklist mentality. He was saying do things because they are right not so that you can check something off a list. 1
Calm Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 This may help:https://www.lds.org/manual/gospel-principles/chapter-35-obedience?lang=engAnd if you feel more comfortable having a concrete list to give yourself feedback, I would suggest reading the rest of the manual and marking or writing down something you feel is a commandment when it is talked about. By the time you finish the manual you should have a list of the ones most common and shared among our faith community.Inspiration may provide with some personal ones God has in mind for just you to help you master goals or weaknesses unique to you.
ERayR Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 This may help:https://www.lds.org/manual/gospel-principles/chapter-35-obedience?lang=engAnd if you feel more comfortable having a concrete list to give yourself feedback, I would suggest reading the rest of the manual and marking or writing down something you feel is a commandment when it is talked about. By the time you finish the manual you should have a list of the ones most common and shared among our faith community.Inspiration may provide with some personal ones God has in mind for just you to help you master goals or weaknesses unique to you.Thanks
Garden Girl Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 I don't think we should reduce the commandments to a check list. If we take those two and live them then we don't need a checklist. When we rely on a checklist we are invariably going to leave something off. Hello ERayR...I really tend to agree with most of your posts, but on this I think you are oversimplifying just a tad... I even agree with this to a good extent... but I can see where it helps to have the 10 be a subset of these, i.e., loving God and our neighbors doesn't address the need to honor parents, not commit adultery, work only six days so as to keep the sabbath day, etc, I don't see those as a check list per se... but ways we live our daily lives in addition to loving God/neighbors. GG
The Nehor Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 It is not about loving simplicity and soothing my conscience and it is probably not reasonable to get rid of the checklist as people are checklist oriented but I believe that, when he gave that answer, Jesus was gently rebuking the questioner for a checklist mentality. He was saying do things because they are right not so that you can check something off a list.Actually Jesus was dealing with a heckler trying to trip him up by getting Jesus to suggest some commandments are less important than others. Jesus tripped him up without suggesting that any commandments are unimportant."My conscience"? Again, not about you.
Thinking Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 The commandments are in the Church Handbook of Instructions. 1
The Nehor Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 The commandments are in the Church Handbook of Instructions.Shush. Those are the secret commandments we withhold from everyone as a joke so we can laugh at them when they're burning in hell. Don't give away the secret.
ERayR Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 (edited) Hello ERayR...I really tend to agree with most of your posts, but on this I think you are oversimplifying just a tad... I even agree with this to a good extent... but I can see where it helps to have the 10 be a subset of these, i.e., loving God and our neighbors doesn't address the need to honor parents, not commit adultery, work only six days so as to keep the sabbath day, etc, I don't see those as a check list per se... but ways we live our daily lives in addition to loving God/neighbors. GG I may have oversimplified. I did say the 10 were included. Honor thy father and mother is interpersonal relations. Some have their list and go down the list and when they get to the end of their list they "have it made" never thinking their list is incomplete. Mosiah 2: 20 I say unto you, my brethren, that if you should render all the thanks and praise which your whole soul has power to possess, to that God who has created you, and has kept and preserved you, and has caused that ye should rejoice, and has granted that ye should live in peace one with another— 21 I say unto you that if ye should serve him who has created you from the beginning, and is preserving you from day to day, by lending you breath, that ye may live and move and do according to your own will, and even supporting you from one moment to another—I say, if ye should serve him with all your whole souls yet ye would be unprofitable servants.What works is good. Edited August 19, 2014 by ERayR
Calm Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 ThanksLots of people approach life needing concrete landmarks and even lists to inform them. As long as they are careful to not create a list thinking "this is all I have to be concerned about", as long s they leave themselves open to inspiration, not get to the end of it as you said and see themselves as making it, but just as a tool to use for awhile and then put aside for better ones whether it is a better list or something else entirely, I think they can be fine. It is the ones that you describe that put their trust in heir lists and not the spirit that will run into trouble. 2
VideoGameJunkie Posted August 19, 2014 Author Posted August 19, 2014 Well I feel lists are sometimes important to people, otherwise some people won't know what the heck they're supposed to do or not do.
filovirus Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 The commandments can be stated very simply: Be obedient to God's laws. Obeying the Commandments = Obedience Laws can come and go. Ie. polygamy was a commandment for some, but is now not a commandment.
Robert F. Smith Posted August 20, 2014 Posted August 20, 2014 Can someone list everyone they know. I always hear keep the commandments. Are they just talking about the 10 commandments Moses explained, or are there many more? If so, I'm not sure what they all are.When a potential convert approached Rabbi Hillel (a contemporary of Jesus) and asked to be taught the entire Law while standing on one foot, Hillel summarized as follows, "That which is hateful to you do not do to others. All the rest is commentary. Now go and learn" (Babylonian Talmud, Shabbat 31a). However, since Jewish tradition teaches that there are 613 specific commandments, you might want to look them up at http://www.jewfaq.org/613.htm . 1
VideoGameJunkie Posted August 20, 2014 Author Posted August 20, 2014 613? Wow that's a lot to remember and be careful about.
JLHPROF Posted August 20, 2014 Posted August 20, 2014 613? Wow that's a lot to remember and be careful about. The lesson to learn about the commandments is that they are all in place to teach us principles. If we follow correct principles the number of commandments we need to follow reduces.This same theme was seen in the tithing thread where the silly minutia over paying tithing completely overshadowed the principle behind paying. The simple truth is the higher you go the fewer specific commandments are needed. Christ taught along these lines during his entire ministry.
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