LDSGuy Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 Here is a recent rant from a "journalist" about how Mitt Romney is a "liar," and how he is not a good mormon for it.http://www.theblaze.com/stories/msnbcs-martin-bashir-uses-book-of-mormon-to-slam-romneys-alleged-lies/Should non-members be lecturing LDS on how to practice their faith, and whether or not they are living up to the moral standards of it?He is not attacking the LDS faith, but he is using it to make it look like Romney is a "bad Mormon."
Bill “Papa” Lee Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 Here is a recent rant from a "journalist" about how Mitt Romney is a "liar," and how he is not a good mormon for it.http://www.theblaze....s-alleged-lies/Should non-members be lecturing LDS on how to practice their faith, and whether or not they are living up to the moral standards of it?He is not attacking the LDS faith, but he is using it to make it look like Romney is a "bad Mormon."it is fine...I just never listen.
LDSGuy Posted April 20, 2012 Author Posted April 20, 2012 it is fine...I just never listen.But, wouldn't we be the best interpreters of our doctrine, and how to live it?
LDS_RM Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 Here is a recent rant from a "journalist" about how Mitt Romney is a "liar," and how he is not a good mormon for it.http://www.theblaze....s-alleged-lies/Should non-members be lecturing LDS on how to practice their faith, and whether or not they are living up to the moral standards of it?He is not attacking the LDS faith, but he is using it to make it look like Romney is a "bad Mormon."Sure, they should. LDS.org was set up to inform non-members what the LDS believe. Is there something wrong with pointing out that a person does not live upto their Faith? If Romney does tell lies, wouldn't you want to know?
LDSGuy Posted April 20, 2012 Author Posted April 20, 2012 Sure, they should. LDS.org was set up to inform non-members what the LDS believe. Is there something wrong with pointing out that a person does not live upto their Faith? If Romney does tell lies, wouldn't you want to know?Who is the best interpreter of our doctrine: someone foreign to it, or someone who is a part of it?
LDS_RM Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 Who is the best interpreter of our doctrine: someone foreign to it, or someone who is a part of it?does being part of LDS Church matter when it comes to understanding "wo unto the liar"
LDSGuy Posted April 20, 2012 Author Posted April 20, 2012 does being part of LDS Church matter when it comes to understanding "wo unto the liar"I guess that I am asking in a broader sense, not just about the specific complaint of lying.
LDS_RM Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 I guess that I am asking in a broader sense, not just about the specific complaint of lying.Even in the broader sense, I see no issue with a non-LDS person explaining what LDS Teach. Can you exbound on your cocern? Presently, I can not think of LDS teachings, that can only be understood by a member of the Church or that would preclude a non-LDS person from saying "Your, LDS Church teaches X, and here is the citation in your Sunday School manual."
Stargazer Posted April 21, 2012 Posted April 21, 2012 Here is a recent rant from a "journalist" about how Mitt Romney is a "liar," and how he is not a good mormon for it.http://www.theblaze....s-alleged-lies/Should non-members be lecturing LDS on how to practice their faith, and whether or not they are living up to the moral standards of it?He is not attacking the LDS faith, but he is using it to make it look like Romney is a "bad Mormon."I got a kick out of the comments. Seemed there were a few idiots in there, but mostly people who had brains. Unusual, except isn't The Blaze a Glenn Beck thing? That might explain it.
TAO Posted April 21, 2012 Posted April 21, 2012 Yes, non-members can lecture, I guess. Many times though, members will know more about what the spirit of the tenents of the faith of the church then non-members will. So, generally, it's probably a good idea not to. But, there are probably situations where this could happen.
ERayR Posted April 21, 2012 Posted April 21, 2012 Here is a recent rant from a "journalist" about how Mitt Romney is a "liar," and how he is not a good mormon for it.http://www.theblaze....s-alleged-lies/Should non-members be lecturing LDS on how to practice their faith, and whether or not they are living up to the moral standards of it?He is not attacking the LDS faith, but he is using it to make it look like Romney is a "bad Mormon."No.
thesometimesaint Posted April 21, 2012 Posted April 21, 2012 LDSGuy:Sure. Truth is truth no matter where we find it. By the same token a lie is a lie no matter who tells it.Martin Bashir was not telling us what we believe. We proudly proclaim that in our Scriptures. He was pointing out the inconsistancy of a politican who happens to be Mormon.We're not talking about some arcane disputable application of a Scripture. It is straight forward Don't Lie. Face it. Romney for whatever reason doesn't want to reveal his taxes. He is not legally required to do so. However custom does say that when talking about large sums of money, and to not have appearant conflicts of interest, candidates for high political office should reveal their multiyear taxes. Romney told a lie when he claimed that John Kerry in his run for the presidency only revealed 2(Two) years of tax records. In fact John Kerry revealed 20(Twenty) years of tax records.
LDS_RM Posted April 21, 2012 Posted April 21, 2012 No.Can provide an example where the information provided on lds.org or from a publicly available Lds Church teaching material does not provide adequate information for a non-Lds person to speak on how the Lds Church teaches its members to live. Is there information about LDS living that is only known to LDS persons?
ERayR Posted April 21, 2012 Posted April 21, 2012 Can provide an example where the information provided on lds.org or from a publicly available Lds Church teaching material does not provide adequate information for a non-Lds person to speak on how the Lds Church teaches its members to live. Is there information about LDS living that is only known to LDS persons?It is not about having information. It is about rather they should lecture someone on the practice of something that despite the information available they do not understand. Kind of like me lecturing a medical doctor on his/her practice of medicine. There is ample information available but I may not be able to fit it all together or understand it the way an MD can. There is also the issue of good manners.
LDSGuy Posted April 22, 2012 Author Posted April 22, 2012 It is not about having information. It is about rather they should lecture someone on the practice of something that despite the information available they do not understand. Kind of like me lecturing a medical doctor on his/her practice of medicine. There is ample information available but I may not be able to fit it all together or understand it the way an MD can.There is also the issue of good manners.I would have to agree with this statement. A person who has never had anything to do with someone else's faith should not lecture a person who has lived that faith their whole life. Especially when the quotes found in their scripture were probably not found on his own, but by paid staffers trying to make someone else look bad. I have to say though I don't think he proved Romney to be a liar.
Calm Posted April 22, 2012 Posted April 22, 2012 Does one really have to appeal to someone's religion to point out that lying isn't an appropriate or acceptable behaviour?
LDSGuy Posted April 22, 2012 Author Posted April 22, 2012 Does one really have to appeal to someone's religion to point out that lying isn't an appropriate or acceptable behaviour?You don't have to, but that is what happened.
BCSpace Posted April 23, 2012 Posted April 23, 2012 Should non-members be lecturing LDS on how to practice their faith, and whether or not they are living up to the moral standards of it?Yes. As long as they are correct and accurate.He is not attacking the LDS faith, but he is using it to make it look like Romney is a "bad Mormon."It's okay. It is always a good thing to be judged by the standard of LDS doctrine. Thankfully, Romney is not the worst Mormon politician when it comes to violating LDS doctrine, by far.
BCSpace Posted April 23, 2012 Posted April 23, 2012 Who is the best interpreter of our doctrine: someone foreign to it, or someone who is a part of it?No one need interpret. The prophets have already done so and most, if not all, are laid out as plain as day the official publications.
The Nehor Posted April 24, 2012 Posted April 24, 2012 The downside of the internet is that idiots can communicate with large audiences in a way that the idiots of past generations could only dream of.
Buzzard Posted April 24, 2012 Posted April 24, 2012 The downside of the internet is that idiots can communicate with large audiences in a way that the idiots of past generations could only dream of.Hey! I deeply resemble that remark.
Kenngo1969 Posted April 24, 2012 Posted April 24, 2012 Does one really have to appeal to someone's religion to point out that lying isn't an appropriate or acceptable behaviour?No, but it does add extra weight to the appeal in the eyes of some ... which, I think, is what the person invoking it in this case is aiming for. (It is wrong for anyone to lie, but it's especially wrong for someone whose religion specifically condemns it to do so.)
CQUIRK Posted April 24, 2012 Posted April 24, 2012 As long as we can lecture non-members on their own faith, then it would be a fair deal.
LDSGuy Posted April 25, 2012 Author Posted April 25, 2012 As long as we can lecture non-members on their own faith, then it would be a fair deal.I agree!
Avatar4321 Posted April 28, 2012 Posted April 28, 2012 Sometimes. But we should be living our faith to a degree where they can't do so.
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