Bill “Papa” Lee Posted November 7, 2011 Posted November 7, 2011 (edited) In my Sunday school class yesterday we were doing a lesson on “Faith in Christ”.As the class went on I asked some to read from Matthew 24 (the only entire chapter listed in the JST. I talked about how having Faith in Christ means that we believe Christ, and his words.I read these two scriptures:2 Nephi 33: 10-1110 And now, my beloved brethren, and also Jew, and all ye ends of the earth, hearken unto these words and believe in Christ; and if ye believe not in these words believe in Christ. And if ye shall believe in Christ ye will believe in these words, for they are the words of Christ, and he hath given them unto me; and they teach all men that they should do good.11 And if they are not the words of Christ, judge ye—for Christ will show unto you, with power and great glory, that they are his words, at the last day; and you and I shall stand face to face before his bar; and ye shall know that I have been commanded of him to write these things, notwithstanding my weakness.12 And I pray the Father in the name of Christ that many of us, if not all, may be saved in his kingdom at that great and last day.But when the reading returned to Matthew 24, questions began concerning Christ’s words (not calling it a prophecy because he is The Word). We spoke of the righteous need not fear…stand ye in holy places; etc.But there are hard times coming…I told them, I would rater watch from the other side and not this one.Back in 1979 (the year I joined the Church) I had to go through 5 weeks of intensive N.B.C. (Nuclear, Biological and Chemical), to be though how to survive in such an environment. By the end of that class, I realized that I would not want to live in such a world.How do any of you feel, would you like to live through the tribulation or just watch from heaven? Edited November 7, 2011 by Bill “Papa” Lee
BCSpace Posted November 7, 2011 Posted November 7, 2011 If the radioactive fallout gave me super powers, I think I would enjoy it.
ERayR Posted November 7, 2011 Posted November 7, 2011 In my Sunday school class yesterday we were doing a lesson on “Faith in Christ”.As the class went on I asked some to read from Matthew 24 (the only entire chapter listed in the JST. I talked about how having Faith in Christ means that we believe Christ, and his words.I read these two scriptures:But when the reading returned to Matthew 24, questions began concerning Christ’s words (not calling it a prophecy because he is The Word). We spoke of the righteous need not fear…stand ye in holy places; etc.But there are hard times coming…I told them, I would rater watch from the other side and not this one.Back in 1979 (the year I joined the Church) I had to go through 5 weeks of intensive N.B.C. (Nuclear, Biological and Chemical), to be though how to survive in such an environment. By the end of that class, I realized that I would not want to live in such a world.How do any of you feel, would you like to live through the tribulation or just watch from heaven?When I was younger and had my health I would have been OK with living through it. I have the skills and then had the strength to live comfortably without modern conveniences. As I begin my seventh decade I realize that I no longer have the strength to do it. I still have the knowledge but not the ability. That being said if I could team my knowledge with someone elses physical ability we could probably be ok. We are in for some interesting times.
mercyngrace Posted November 7, 2011 Posted November 7, 2011 I've been watching an instructional program about fighting off waves of Zombies so... yep... I think I'm ready. 1
Nathair/|\ Posted November 7, 2011 Posted November 7, 2011 The one thing from our industrial society that I absolutely cannot live without is my glasses. I hope that before things get too bad I will be able to get LASIX so I no longer have that weakness, but for now, I need them to see well enough to function. Other than that, since Montana is not a high priority target for biological or radioactive weaponry, I could probably go into the mountains and be fine.
Doctor Steuss Posted November 7, 2011 Posted November 7, 2011 I've been watching an instructional program about fighting off waves of Zombies so... yep... I think I'm ready.I can't recommend these instructional programs enough. I don't know what I would have done on October 31st without them. I never thought Zombies would be so easy to kill... or that they'd be so small.*shrug* 1
shalamabobbi Posted November 7, 2011 Posted November 7, 2011 There is an analogy that I like to use. It is that of the train whistle. It is of a certain pitch as the train approaches and of a lower pitch as the train speeds by.Say someone is contemplating serving a full time mission. There are many aspects of that sacrifice that seem undesirable going in. Loss of two years from school or courtship. The time is not your own, etc. Certainly it doesn't seem very desirable. But afterwards, when the mission is accomplished, looking back it is something of which one feels proud to have been a part.Next consider the opposite. Someone's favorite temptation be that what it may. It sure seems desirable ahead of time going into it. But after the fact it gnaws at the conscience and disturbs one's peace and happiness.Call this the doppler analogy and now apply it to the trials we face in the world. There are some bleak possibilities. It isn't hard to imagine a complete collapse of the world monetary system and the horror that would accompany that.Most would rather not pass through such an experience. But if we are called upon to endure such a thing I suppose that far enough after the fact we may take some satisfaction in having passed through it. After all, it is only in this world that we can experience such trials and I suspect that there are valuable lessons attached to such experiences that can be gained in no other way in the eternities prior to or the eternities following this mortal probation. 1
thesometimesaint Posted November 7, 2011 Posted November 7, 2011 (edited) Titled "I Think We Won". Edited November 7, 2011 by thesometimesaint
Freedom Posted November 7, 2011 Posted November 7, 2011 Do the prophesies say there will be a post-apocalyptic world? I suspect that there will be great political, economic and social turmoil but I don't think the Hollywood movies are prophetic of what is to come.
CV75 Posted November 7, 2011 Posted November 7, 2011 How do any of you feel, would you like to live through the tribulation or just watch from heaven?According to our leaders and recent conference talks, we have every reason to be optimistic if we stand in holy places. Life will go on, the Church will grow bigger and stronger, and the Lord will prepare His people for His return. No matter how bad things get there is great hope in Christ and we can endure all things. If I were given a choice, i would rather remain in mortality, though I'm sure I can be of service on either side of the veil. 1
ERayR Posted November 7, 2011 Posted November 7, 2011 According to our leaders and recent conference talks, we have every reason to be optimistic if we stand in holy places. Life will go on, the Church will grow bigger and stronger, and the Lord will prepare His people for His return. No matter how bad things get there is great hope in Christ and we can endure all things. If I were given a choice, i would rather remain in mortality, though I'm sure I can be of service on either side of the veil.That does not mean it will be easy. When the church moved west there were those who did not go because of physical inability and there were some who did go and died on the way, because of physical inabilty. Some of us have reached a point that we realize that it is our modern convieniences that make it possible for us to go on and lead productive lives.
thesometimesaint Posted November 7, 2011 Posted November 7, 2011 ERayR:I particularly like our modern medicine.
mfbukowski Posted November 7, 2011 Posted November 7, 2011 I am unquestionably a survival nut.I mean I can even make flint spear points and stuff.If anyone survives to carry on, I would rather it be the "good guys". Of course I am presuming I am one of those, your opinion may vary. 1
mfbukowski Posted November 7, 2011 Posted November 7, 2011 A .3006 works better. Oh yeah, I am there too- they are great as long as you have one and until you run out of ammo. Ya gotta think ahead.....
Bill “Papa” Lee Posted November 7, 2011 Author Posted November 7, 2011 If the radioactive fallout gave me super powers, I think I would enjoy it. It won't.
Bill “Papa” Lee Posted November 7, 2011 Author Posted November 7, 2011 I've been watching an instructional program about fighting off waves of Zombies so... yep... I think I'm ready.
Bill “Papa” Lee Posted November 7, 2011 Author Posted November 7, 2011 According to our leaders and recent conference talks, we have every reason to be optimistic if we stand in holy places. Life will go on, the Church will grow bigger and stronger, and the Lord will prepare His people for His return. No matter how bad things get there is great hope in Christ and we can endure all things. If I were given a choice, i would rather remain in mortality, though I'm sure I can be of service on either side of the veil.I am too tired...
Nathair/|\ Posted November 7, 2011 Posted November 7, 2011 If the radioactive fallout gave me super powers, I think I would enjoy it.
Bill “Papa” Lee Posted November 7, 2011 Author Posted November 7, 2011 Ah yes, and then there is ham radio.....You are prepared.
juliann Posted November 7, 2011 Posted November 7, 2011 http://lds.org/ensign/2011/11/counsel-to-youth?lang=engCounsel to Youth, President PackerSometimes you might be tempted to think as I did from time to time in my youth: “The way things are going, the world’s going to be over with. The end of the world is going to come before I get to where I should be.” Not so! You can look forward to doing it right—getting married, having a family, seeing your children and grandchildren, maybe even great-grandchildren.Of course, he did not rule out a take over by zombies and vampires. 1
Bill “Papa” Lee Posted November 7, 2011 Author Posted November 7, 2011 http://lds.org/ensig...-youth?lang=engCounsel to Youth, President PackerOf course, he did not rule out a take over by zombies and vampires.See...it could happen,
thesometimesaint Posted November 7, 2011 Posted November 7, 2011 Being an amateur chemist, gun powder is easy to make. Fulminate of Mercury for ignition is a little harder, but not too hard with a little practice and care. Dynamite is even easier, but touchy stuff unless you're really careful. There are a few more contact explosives I know how to make, but won't get into that here. Needless to say, but firearms are easy to make, easier to steal, and there are hundreds of millions of them out there.Besides unless you are very good with a bow and arrow, or spear, bringing down anything bigger than say a rabbit requires more skill, physical endurance, and patience than most modern Americans possess. Snare traps and Dead Fall traps are relatively easy to make, effective when properly deployed.
mfbukowski Posted November 7, 2011 Posted November 7, 2011 (edited) Yeah, but making saltpeter is just plain nasty. Crossbows are pretty good, and you can even make primitive ones if you know what you're doing.What we forget is that virtually everyone knew most of this technology until like 150 years ago. Planting crops, hunting, making things out of wood and leather, rawhide, etc with a few hand tools was like breathing.But that stuff was for the "uneducated tradesmen."Now we are all "educated" and don't know anything useful!! If it's not an app on our I phone, we are helpless! Edited November 7, 2011 by mfbukowski
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