volgadon Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 I have a Hebrew professor who has banned the use of Accordance Bible Software, and instead insists upon using an archaic and outdated Lutheran Hebrew Lexicon for translating the Old Testament.which one? Lexicon, that is, not professor.
Anijen Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 The problem I have with my droid is that the display can be hard to read in the fluorescent lighting of the church building. The best solution I've found is to bring a fedora with me to Church, and when I need to read something I place the phone in the hat to shield the light. It seems to work well. I usually don't respond to your humor that often, but that was witty.
Duncan Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 I'm 33 and a luddite. I haven't played a video game since 1991. I don't own any ipods, cell phone, hooflunts magical annoyers, spindles or whatever, and await the day when power point presentations actually work the first time. One downside however to print scriptures, at least with me, is when you write notes the next time you go through your scriptures sometimes I don't understand what i wrote and sometimes can't erase it!!! I die inside when that happens
ERayR Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 We had a Stake High Councilman read his entire talk from his iPad during Sacrament meeting two weeks ago.I have a father-in-law, himself a Stake President, who has forbidden the use of iPads and other types of similar digital media among stake leaders and members of Bishoprics during church meetings.Beyond the scope of his authority I would say.I have a Hebrew professor who has banned the use of Accordance Bible Software, and instead insists upon using an archaic and outdated Lutheran Hebrew Lexicon for translating the Old Testament.His class so I don't think that is beyond the scope of his authority.I have a financial clerk who vocally hates Linux.OKA few weeks ago I gave a philosophy lecture to a group of students, nearly all of whom pulled out various forms of digital media to look up the verses I was quoting in the scriptures. (Yes, we mingled both.)OKI have no personal qualms with having individuals read the scriptures with digital media, just as I'm sure ,many medieval rabbis weren't particularly offended when the Masoretic text was created in codex form, rather than as a scroll (though to this say, the scroll is considered more sacred).And again OK
kolipoki09 Posted November 2, 2011 Posted November 2, 2011 which one? Lexicon, that is, not professor.We use the CHALOT (the one I remember you had as well). If we're scrutinized for translation errors, it's because of theological bias. Explanations of "this verse is in error" are abundant. If you've got no background in Biblical Hebrew, the CHALOT is a pain. It's an excellent resource for anyone with a little experience under their belts, but for freshman who in the seventh week of class can't tell the difference between a Qal and a Piel, or who still wonder "what those dots under the letters mean," it's cumbersome. It's like handing a Cartesian math book to a seventh grader studying pre-algebra. I would have preferred our teacher begin with the Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew Lexicon.
volgadon Posted November 2, 2011 Posted November 2, 2011 We use the CHALOT (the one I remember you had as well). If we're scrutinized for translation errors, it's because of theological bias. Explanations of "this verse is in error" are abundant. If you've got no background in Biblical Hebrew, the CHALOT is a pain. It's an excellent resource for anyone with a little experience under their belts, but for freshman who in the seventh week of class can't tell the difference between a Qal and a Piel, or who still wonder "what those dots under the letters mean," it's cumbersome. It's like handing a Cartesian math book to a seventh grader studying pre-algebra. I would have preferred our teacher begin with the Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew Lexicon.CHALOT is great, but you are right, better to start out with BDB.
TAO Posted November 2, 2011 Posted November 2, 2011 Mmm.... I love the online version of the scriptures for searching for references I know, and for bringing it around to school and things.On the other hand, I like the feel of a set of 'book' scriptures at church.So I guess I like both =D. They both have their own awesome uses!
Stargazer Posted November 2, 2011 Posted November 2, 2011 Last Sunday I had nothing but trouble getting my scripture app to work right. It was highly annoying. I thought it would be so useful to have the scriptures in an app, but as nice as it has been when it worked, when it doesn't work, well, it doesn't work.I've never had this kind of trouble with a physical book. I think I'm going to back to the dead tree edition.By the way, I am writing this on my son's Mac, while on vacation in Hawaii! Nice place. Tomorrow night the Polynesian Cultural Center!
zerinus Posted November 2, 2011 Posted November 2, 2011 I was listening to the mormon chanel and sherri dew speaking with Elder Scott, when asked about the subject, he said that studying the gospel via ipad, android, digitally, that is was in his opinion a poor way to study the gospel. I don't want to butt heads with an Apostle but see what he may have meant. He advocates "hefting" the book in his hands, and that there is just something about it. I love to study the gospel with my Ipad and instead of writing notes in the margin as Elder Scott talked about last conference, I can write unlimited notes, make tags, mark, go to cross references in a second and make my own just as quick. This system is officially from the church as well. So I just want your thougts on Elder Scott's opinion. This in no way is to demean Him as an Apostle and servent of Christ, but I just don't understand how how my ipad is a poor way to study the gospel, I would say it has made it a magnificent venture. Anyway, thoughts please...Thanks...I think each has its uses. When I go to Church, I prefer to carry my scriptures digitally, because it is lighter and can easily slip into my pocket. But when I do my regular scripture reading at home, I like the printed version better, because the pages are clearer and easier to read, cause less eye strain, notes on the margin are more easily visible, there is a feel of solidity about it, and it overall provides a better environment for me to "mull" over what I read. I feel that I am getting personal revelation when I do that, while reading it digitally seems to provide a different experience less conducive to "mulling" over the scriptures. I am inclined to agree with Elder Scott on that issue.
BCSpace Posted November 2, 2011 Posted November 2, 2011 So I just want your thougts on Elder Scott's opinion. This in no way is to demean Him as an Apostle and servent of Christ, but I just don't understand how how my ipad is a poor way to study the gospel, I would say it has made it a magnificent venture. Anyway, thoughts please...Thanks... He did say it was his opinion, not gospel truth. I also prefer the "heft" of a book, but I also like the convenience, features, and compactness of digital.
Grundelwalken Posted November 2, 2011 Posted November 2, 2011 I'm 33 and a luddite. I haven't played a video game since 1991. I don't own any ipods, cell phone, hooflunts magical annoyers, spindles or whatever, and await the day when power point presentations actually work the first time. One downside however to print scriptures, at least with me, is when you write notes the next time you go through your scriptures sometimes I don't understand what i wrote and sometimes can't erase it!!! I die inside when that happensThat's why I use small post-it notes for my markings. Then if I find my thoughts have changed I can just remove it and put in something else. MW
Duncan Posted November 2, 2011 Posted November 2, 2011 That's why I use small post-it notes for my markings. Then if I find my thoughts have changed I can just remove it and put in something else. MWintriguing!-I think I spelled that right!
Jack Posted November 3, 2011 Posted November 3, 2011 The guy is old and can't cope with the digital media and what it gives us. He and others like him will be gone soon and we may be better off with younger leaders who are not made uncomfortable with progress and change.
bluebell Posted November 3, 2011 Posted November 3, 2011 The guy is old and can't cope with the digital media and what it gives us. He and others like him will be gone soon and we may be better off with younger leaders who are not made uncomfortable with progress and change.While age probably plays some part in this, this thread has shown that there are younger members who also prefer to study physical scriptures. I don't know that we know enough from that quote to say that Elder Scott is "uncomfortable with progress and change".
Ares Posted November 3, 2011 Posted November 3, 2011 The guy is old and can't cope with the digital media and what it gives us. He and others like him will be gone soon and we may be better off with younger leaders who are not made uncomfortable with progress and change.Please be more respectful of the Lord's Annointed. We are particular about that on these boards. Review the board guidelines for more information.
Calm Posted November 3, 2011 Posted November 3, 2011 The guy is old and can't cope with the digital media and what it gives us. He and others like him will be gone soon and we may be better off with younger leaders who are not made uncomfortable with progress and change.Yeah, all that time working on nuclear reactors and stuff must have really atrophied his brain. 1
KevinG Posted November 3, 2011 Posted November 3, 2011 The guy is old and can't cope with the digital media and what it gives us. He and others like him will be gone soon and we may be better off with younger leaders who are not made uncomfortable with progress and change.Oops...
Scott Lloyd Posted November 3, 2011 Posted November 3, 2011 (edited) I am a gospel doctrine teacher. For years, I have exclusively used electronic digital tools (an iPod Touch and, before it became obsolete, a Palm PDA) in my gospel study and teaching. There is nothing I can do with printed-on-paper scriptures that I can't do -- and with far greater efficiency -- using my device.I am totally OK with those who prefer their paper scriptures. The important thing is that we internalize the word of God, serve Him, come unto Christ, and become truly converted. The media by which others accomplish those objectives are of no concern whatsoever to me.At the same time, I expect tolerance, forebearance and common sense from any who might observe me studying and teaching from the scriptures or Church curricula using my electronic device. I would resist the effort by some martinet, local-level Church officer to discourage me from using my device at home or at Church.I'm not a bit worried, though. The fact that nearly all of the Church-related software I use on my iPod Touch ("Gospel Library," "LDS Tools," "Mormon Channel," "LDS Youth," "Scripture Mastery" and the wonderful new "LDS Music") is developed, correlated, published and offered free-of-charge by the Church says a great deal to me. Edited November 4, 2011 by Scott Lloyd
Scott Lloyd Posted November 3, 2011 Posted November 3, 2011 Yeah, all that time working on nuclear reactors and stuff must have really atrophied his brain. This is my nominee for Post of the Day. Perhaps Post of the Year.
KevinG Posted November 3, 2011 Posted November 3, 2011 There is nothing I can do with printed-on-paper scriptures that I can't do -- and with far greater efficiency -- using my device.Is that your final answer?
Saints Alive Posted November 3, 2011 Posted November 3, 2011 Two youtube posts on the same page? DaddyG must be having a slow day
KevinG Posted November 3, 2011 Posted November 3, 2011 Two youtube posts on the same page? DaddyG must be having a slow day Working on the job search... nuff said.
Scott Lloyd Posted November 3, 2011 Posted November 3, 2011 (edited) While I agree that it is a personal thing (whether you use digital or book), I have found that most who use digital DO NOT do as well when it comes time to find something they have read. The tactile feel of a book and the ability to remember where something is on a page gives a great advantage. I'm sure some will rebut this with their own experiences but I watch a lot as I teach and see struggles (especially among young people). Sounds like a simple lack of proficiency.Learning to navigate a scriptures app takes effort and experience, just as does learning to navigate hard-copy scriptures. Those who have learned the program soon find they can "search the scriptures," retrieve favorite passages, etc., much more efficiently than before.If one is disinclined to expend a modicum of time and effort in learning how to use a digital scriptures program, then obviously, paper scriptures are the way to go. Edited November 3, 2011 by Scott Lloyd
Scott Lloyd Posted November 3, 2011 Posted November 3, 2011 (edited) That's why I use small post-it notes for my markings. Then if I find my thoughts have changed I can just remove it and put in something else. MWAn even better way to go is to get a removable-glue stick. This enables you to make any small piece of paper a "post-it note." You can then use a small tablet of paper for your scripture annotations. You don't have to purchase the Post-It Note pads.This is what I used to do. Of course, that was many moons ago, before I found the joys and efficiency of digital scriptures. Incidentally, a definite advantage I have now is that, because I carry my iPod in my pocket, I have all four standard works with me 24/7, plus all of my annotations, markings, cross references, preparations for talks and lessons, and virtually any digitized item of Church curriculum I choose to download, including general conference talks, all of them marked up, annotated and interfaced with my scriptures.Moreover, it is much easier and quicker for the Church to make revisions to a digital than to a hard-copy publication. This means that the digital version of the scriptures I use has all of the latest revisions to the study aids: introductions, chapter headings and synopses, Bible Dictionary, Topical Guide, Index, Gude to the Scriptures, etc. Edited November 3, 2011 by Scott Lloyd
Calm Posted November 3, 2011 Posted November 3, 2011 Removable glue sticks also allows you to type/copy&paste relevant quotes or charts and add them to the text.
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