Nemesis Posted May 19, 2011 Posted May 19, 2011 People need to obey the social hall rules. Those that have broken the rules are banned from the thread. Next time we have to step into a thread in here we will remove social hall privileges to the offenders.
rpn Posted May 19, 2011 Posted May 19, 2011 (edited) Paddy, I'm sure the institute leader can get support and translation help from his/her supervisors. And there are some pretty good online translators now a days. (And if this interest was sparked by world news about FLDS, be sure to tell them that the young bride thing for FLDS is of recent (since Warren Jeffs) origin and isn't trace back to any LDS institutional way of doing things (which is another reason I tend to disbelieve the Fanny Algier story ond that the Helen Kimball was a real marriage (because if they were real, some church members would have used the excuse --- but Bro. Joseph did it, why can't I) if it really had happened).You might also contact a professor of Italian and ask for his/her help in translating. Edited May 19, 2011 by rpn
bluebell Posted May 19, 2011 Posted May 19, 2011 Really? Purhaps you should check in with those YSA in Milan and ask them if they feel that the information has been Hiden from them.I would hope students of that age would be able to tell the difference between information not being taught and information being hidden. Have you ever read 'In Sacred Loneliness' or Emma Smith: Mormon Enigma'?I honestly haven't. I was under the impression though that the 'records' used to support their conclusions were somewhat disputed. Have you read the link below in order to look at the issue from all sides?http://www.fairlds.org/pubs/polyandry.pdf
Calm Posted May 19, 2011 Posted May 19, 2011 (edited) I honestly haven't. http://www.fairlds.o...s/polyandry.pdfI have. He needs to identify which marriages he thinks included conjugal intimacies and demonstrate that Compton and the Enigmas agree with him at least as neither Compton or the Enigma authors believe it was all of them. He should probably also provide evidence that Compton and the other authors' conclusions are accurate (even though the overall book is good, there is at least one case where I was very disappointed in one of their quotes because it was not from the person they said it was, but a second or thirdhand quote from a known anti-mormon whose credibility lacked due to other claims she had made, yet there was no mention of their footnotes about the source and the quote itself was inflammatory).But in another thread in the main forum. Edited May 19, 2011 by calmoriah
Duncan Posted May 19, 2011 Posted May 19, 2011 I had a friend just two days ago send me a huge email and she was shocked to learn about the whole Polygamy issue, she got conflubbergated when she was reading Gerald Lund's books. I sent her a ton of stuff and I think it is turning out okay!
Chino Blanco Posted May 19, 2011 Posted May 19, 2011 Where should we send the materials once they've been translated into Italian?
Paddy Posted May 19, 2011 Author Posted May 19, 2011 (edited) Paddy, I'm sure the institute leader can get support and translation help from his/her supervisors. And there are some pretty good online translators now a days. (And if this interest was sparked by world news about FLDS, be sure to tell them that the young bride thing for FLDS is of recent (since Warren Jeffs) origin and isn't trace back to any LDS institutional way of doing things (which is another reason I tend to disbelieve the Fanny Algier story ond that the Helen Kimball was a real marriage (because if they were real, some church members would have used the excuse --- but Bro. Joseph did it, why can't I) if it really had happened).You might also contact a professor of Italian and ask for his/her help in translating.rpnThanks for the advice. The thing is that the institute teacher's supervisors are the persons that came to me asking for help. They know I lurk around the message boards and blogs and have some idea of where to get the resources. I have managed to reply to them and I hope that the situation in Milan is sorted out the best way possible.I must admit that I have known about this stuff for a pretty long while now and have come to understand the nuances of the issue and history. But I must say that it still confuses me. It is something that can create a stumbling block for many. From the varying responses from people on the boards and blogs it is clear that there is no definitive answers. With so much ambiguity around this issue it is no wonder that the church has difficultly responding. I am sure it is all the more difficult when you are dealing with non-English or little English speaking persons, so I also feel for the leaders.My personal feeling is that I think the church should be a little more proactive in the way that it should present some of its history. I am just not sure how they would go about it. I agree with some posters that the church’s goal is to promote spiritual history, but I don’t think that spiritual history is the antithesis of human history. I would prefer a much more human history.Anyway...thanks again for the responses...Paddy Edited May 19, 2011 by Paddy
Duncan Posted May 19, 2011 Posted May 19, 2011 (edited) rpnThanks for the advice. The thing is that the institute teacher's supervisors are the persons that came to me asking for help. They know I lurk around the message boards and blogs and have some idea of where to get the resources. I have managed to reply to them and I hope that the situation in Milan is sorted out the best way possible.I must admit that I have known about this stuff for a pretty long while now and have come to understand the nuances of the issue and history. But I must say that it still confuses me. It is something that can create a stumbling block for many. From the varying responses from people on the boards and blogs it is clear that there is no definitive answers. With so much ambiguity around this issue it is no wonder that the church has difficultly responding. I am sure it is all the more difficult when you are dealing with non-English or little English speaking persons, so I also feel for the leaders.My personal feeling is that I think the church should be a little more proactive in the way that it should present some of its history. I am just not sure how they would go about it. I agree with some posters that the church’s goal is to promote spiritual history, but I don’t think that spiritual history is the antithesis of human history. I would prefer a much more human history.Anyway...thanks again for the responses...PaddyThis issue is getting attention now from JD on his FB. Paddy, do you have the letter or seen it or have the words that the Area Presidency used to rebuke the students? Edited May 19, 2011 by Duncan
bluebell Posted May 19, 2011 Posted May 19, 2011 But in another thread in the main forum.I agree it's a topic for a different forum.
bookofmormontruth Posted May 19, 2011 Posted May 19, 2011 (edited) Where should we send the materials once they've been translated into Italian?Instead of propagating your anti-Mormon agenda and obsession with what Joseph Smith did behind closed doors. It might be more wise to read the thread and the recent post by Nemesis for all that will be a "sent" is a ban. Edited May 19, 2011 by bookofmormontruth
bluebell Posted May 19, 2011 Posted May 19, 2011 Where should we send the materials once they've been translated into Italian?It seems that the students questions are mainly about JS's polyandry. Was there a part of the info you linked to that dealt with that, rather than his polygamy in general?I skimmed it but didn't see anything specific to the issue other than that it occured.Some of the information on there was of low scholarship, so it naturally makes me doubt the trustworthiness of all of it, but there could be something of worth mixed in. 1
bookofmormontruth Posted May 19, 2011 Posted May 19, 2011 It seems that the students questions are mainly about JS's polyandry. Was there a part of the info you linked to that dealt with that, rather than his polygamy in general?I skimmed it but didn't see anything specific to the issue other than that it occured.Some of the information on there was of low scholarship, so it naturally makes me doubt the trustworthiness of all of it, but there could be something of worth mixed in.You are too kind in describing the links. They are of no value whatsoever other than to inflame.
thesometimesaint Posted May 19, 2011 Posted May 19, 2011 cinepro:I've been in the Church for 40 years now. Polygamy is a known subject. Paraphrasing President Hinckley said; We haven't practiced it in over a hundred years. It is time to move on.
mfbukowski Posted May 19, 2011 Posted May 19, 2011 Where should we send the materials once they've been translated into Italian?I suggest you send them where they belong.
Skylla Posted May 19, 2011 Posted May 19, 2011 Automatic generated message This topic has been closed by a moderator. Reason: Please start a more general discussion in the main forum. Kind regards, Mormon Dialogue & Discussion Board Staff
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