ferdinand Posted November 20, 2009 Posted November 20, 2009 On the thread about CARM's resurgence of the controversy about "adieu" in the Book of Mormon, some have commented on that being the dumbest of the dumb anti-Mormon arguments. Some have opined that criticism about the Book of Mormon mention of Christ being born "at Jerusalem" (the land, not the city) comes close to matching "adieu" in dumbness.Greg Smith has suggested that the notion of Joseph Smith letting the cat out of the bag because he was listed (for legal reasons) as the author of the Book of Mormon in the first edition takes the supreme prize for anti-Mormon dumbness.I would be interested in other suggestions. Perhaps between us we could compile a Top 10 Dumbness List for criticisms by anti-Mormons.Dear People: I was a mormon for too many years, and we are all brainwashed
structurecop Posted November 20, 2009 Posted November 20, 2009 How many prophesies from Joseph Smith has not been fulfilled?
sethpayne Posted November 20, 2009 Posted November 20, 2009 Anything from Bill Schnoebelen.I completely second that notion.The man is an utter fruitcake and a pathological liar.
jwhitlock Posted November 20, 2009 Posted November 20, 2009 Dear People: I was a mormon for too many years, and we are all brainwashed as mormons, and do not even consider the possibility of being deceived by the leadership. I feel sorry now, for the active mormons, and realized how stupid I was believing so many years all kind of junk told by the " wise and righteous" leaders.All religions who claim to have a prophet require that such a prophet past the test told in the bible. In short: If one prophesy do not come true, do not be afraid of that prophet, is is false. How many prophesies from Joseph Smith has not been fulfilled? Dozens! And what about our modern dumb prophets who never say a thing?Be wise and not fools, use your heart but your mind too.Don't let the squirrels get too close! They might haul you off to storage!
Doctor Steuss Posted November 20, 2009 Posted November 20, 2009 <snip>Excellent example (tee-hee-hee).Yabut how many prophesies from Joseph Smith hasn't not been fulfilled? Like three!Four.
Doctor Steuss Posted November 20, 2009 Posted November 20, 2009 I completely second that notion.The man is an utter fruitcake and a pathological liar.Cliff notes, por favor?
Scott Lloyd Posted November 20, 2009 Author Posted November 20, 2009 Dear People: I was a mormon for too many years, and we are all brainwashed
3DOP Posted November 20, 2009 Posted November 20, 2009 On the thread about CARM's resurgence of the controversy about "adieu" in the Book of Mormon, some have commented on that being the dumbest of the dumb anti-Mormon arguments. Some have opined that criticism about the Book of Mormon mention of Christ being born "at Jerusalem" (the land, not the city) comes close to matching "adieu" in dumbness.Greg Smith has suggested that the notion of Joseph Smith letting the cat out of the bag because he was listed (for legal reasons) as the author of the Book of Mormon in the first edition takes the supreme prize for anti-Mormon dumbness.I would be interested in other suggestions. Perhaps between us we could compile a Top 10 Dumbness List for criticisms by anti-Mormons.I would suggest a category that can spin off any number of dumb anti-Mormon criticisms. I am talking at the kind of criticism that will allude to what traditional Christianity believes...that the Father is incorporeal perhaps...and then point out that Mormons believe something else. Well, duh. What kind of Restoration would it be if it had to conform to what needed to be corrected? But this kind of argument resonates with the non-Mormons. They will offer up all kinds of ways in which those evil Mormons reject this or affirm that without any reference to what traditional Christianity has to say about it and then gleefully chortle about how weird you all are.
Scott Lloyd Posted November 20, 2009 Author Posted November 20, 2009 I would suggest a category that can spin off any number of dumb anti-Mormon criticisms. I am talking at the kind of criticism that will allude to what traditional Christianity believes...that the Father is incorporeal perhaps...and then point out that Mormons believe something else. Well, duh. What kind of Restoration would it be if it had to conform to what needed to be corrected? But this kind of argument resonates with the non-Mormons. They will offer up all kinds of ways in which those evil Mormons reject this or affirm that without any reference to what traditional Christianity has to say about it and then gleefully chortle about how weird you all are.Yes. This category would include what I mentioned earlier, the circular reasoning that Mormonism is false because this or that Mormon belief is not mentioned in the Bible. Such a notion stands on the un-Biblical premise that the Bible, as it has been handed down to us, contains everything God has said or intends to say.
selek Posted November 20, 2009 Posted November 20, 2009 Another: That Mormons aren't allowed to drink Coke because the Church owns Pepsi (and vice-versa).
Scott Lloyd Posted November 21, 2009 Author Posted November 21, 2009 On another thread, ferdinand has provided us with yet another dumb anti-Mormon argument: that the fact the Church does not open its financials to public inspection means that it must be doing something nefarious.
Calm Posted November 21, 2009 Posted November 21, 2009 That the Spires on the temples are meant to impale Christ as he descends (or some variation on this theme).----A less ridiculous one---that the Priesthood encourages sexual abuse.
selek Posted November 21, 2009 Posted November 21, 2009 On another thread, ferdinand has provided us with yet another dumb anti-Mormon argument: that the fact the Church does not open its financials to public inspection means that it must be doing something nefarious.Apparently, the Big N twigged to the fact that "Ferdinand" was a Tacopaco sock puppet, ripped off his button eyes and pipe-cleaner mustache, and sent him down the laundry chute.Brings a tear to me eye, it surely does.
Calm Posted November 21, 2009 Posted November 21, 2009 Apparently, the Big N twigged to the fact that "Ferdinand" was a Tacopaco sock puppet, ripped off his button eyes and pipe-cleaner mustache, and sent him down the laundry chute.Brings a tear to me eye, it surely does.Man, that was quick work. Them mods are fantastic...wonder if they clean houses as well?
selek Posted November 21, 2009 Posted November 21, 2009 Two more, though they're more folk lore than arguments:Mormons believe that a missionary can determine whether his girl will be faithful by walking past/underneath the Angel Moroni statue at the SL temple.If Moroni winks at him, he's in trouble.Also, according to a J Golden Kimball story, it was argued that Mormons believe they'll no about the Second Coming before anyone else because that statue will blow its horn to announce the event.J Golden's response was... memorable.
Scott Lloyd Posted November 21, 2009 Author Posted November 21, 2009 Two more, though they're more folk lore than arguments:Mormons believe that a missionary can determine whether his girl will be faithful by walking past/underneath the Angel Moroni statue at the SL temple.If Moroni winks at him, he's in trouble.Also, according to a J Golden Kimball story, it was argued that Mormons believe they'll no about the Second Coming before anyone else because that statue will blow its horn to announce the event.J Golden's response was... memorable. Did it have anything to do with barnyard refuse?
sethpayne Posted November 21, 2009 Posted November 21, 2009 Cliff notes, por favor?Well, here are some highlights:He claims to have been:A VampireA Wiccan High PriestA Catholic PriestA SatanistThe list goes on....AND.... he claimed that in a private meeting with James Faust, after having given Faust "secret tokens", that Faust admitted to him that Satan was indeed the God of the Mormon Temple.The Tanners actually did an excellent analysis of this guy.If you want a real treat just go to google video and put his name in.
selek Posted November 21, 2009 Posted November 21, 2009 Did it have anything to do with barnyard refuse?No.He said (and I quote- sort of), "There's no da-- truth to it at all! If the Angel Moroni were to toot his horn, it would blow pigeon sh-- all over every one and every thing east of the temple block, and that would never do!"
Wiki Wonka Posted November 21, 2009 Posted November 21, 2009 Anything from Bill Schnoebelen.OK Mike, I vote for yours. I summon the following from "The God Makers II":William Schnoebelen, Author, Former Mormon, Former SatanistSchnoebelen: Behind me is the Los Angeles temple of the Mormon Church and inside are many devout Mormons who are fulfilling what they consider to be godly, noble obligations to their faith and to their god. What they don
mfbukowski Posted November 21, 2009 Posted November 21, 2009 The old saw about the "fair British maiden" who escaped polygamy by jumping from an upper window of the SL Temple into the Great Salt Lake and swam to safety.Anybody know who first wrote this one? It's kind of a pet project of mine.
Mike Reed Posted November 21, 2009 Posted November 21, 2009 OK Mike, I vote for yours. I summon the following from "The God Makers II":Also from Schneobelen: The garment symbols "are held together by a subtle occult web of sexual energy which is activated by pressure from the two highest grips in the LDS Temple endowment."The guy's a loon.For an apologist to rebut this drivel would give him more credit than he deserves.
structurecop Posted November 21, 2009 Posted November 21, 2009 Also from Schneobelen: The garment symbols "are held together by a subtle occult web of sexual energy which is activated by pressure from the two highest grips in the LDS Temple endowment."I had no idea. That is flippin' sweet. If only I could figure out how to simultaneously change into a super-hero costume while activating this web of sexual energy.
Wiki Wonka Posted November 21, 2009 Posted November 21, 2009 Also from Schneobelen: The garment symbols "are held together by a subtle occult web of sexual energy which is activated by pressure from the two highest grips in the LDS Temple endowment."And all this time I thought it was simply a cotton/polyester blend...
structurecop Posted November 21, 2009 Posted November 21, 2009 And all this time I thought it was simply a cotton/polyester blend...Occult-powered cotton/poly.
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