Dumbest of the Dumb Anti-Mormon Arguments

[Calm]

He would thereby precluding

millions of deaths over the last two thousand years which were because

of confusion about what he taught.

Those millions of death were less about doctrine and more about political power, imo.

[Avatar4321]

That "it's evil to pray to God to get knowledge from Him, but believe my interpretation of the Bible because I say so" argument

[Thorkyll]

Well, the thread is getting derailed a bit in the first place, but I'll go ahead and ask anyways: What do you feel was Jesus' "job" in the first place? It wasn't to provide a fully expounded theology for His followers, it was to die for their sins.

And, at least as far as Mormons believe, the doctrines of the NT were much clearer prior to being tampered with by ill-designing individuals.

I think he was a carpentar. He should have spent the last three years

of his life doing something more useful, like making chairs for people.

Well seriously, the whole mission of the [real] messiah is to bring

world peace and universal knowledge of God.

Epic failure on both accounts.

There's no mention of the messiah dying for people's sins anywhere except after Jesus got killed.

[Scott Lloyd]

That "it's evil to pray to God to get knowledge from Him, but believe my interpretation of the Bible because I say so" argument

Ah yes, the notion that, contrary to Matthew 7:9-11, God will give a stone to him who asks for bread. It's not only dumb, it's contra-Biblical.

[Scott Lloyd]

I think he was a carpentar. He should have spent the last three years

of his life doing something more useful, like making chairs for people.

Well seriously, the whole mission of the [real] messiah is to bring

world peace and universal knowledge of God.

Epic failure on both accounts.

There's no mention of the messiah dying for people's sins anywhere except after Jesus got killed.

Thorkyll and Jerubaal, I think this discussion would thrive better on a thread dedicated to it. As Jerubaal indicated, it is taking this one a bit far off its intended course.

[Radix]

It's something of an axiom in ranching that you can tell you hit a tender spot with the cattleprod by how the calves bellow.

Likewise in security, you can tell you hit a nerve cluster by how the corpse twitches.

ToGo, Radix, TacoGrande, and the other anti-Mormon lurkers are coming out of the woodwork like cockroaches fleeing a smoky room.

Guess we musta struck a nerve, huh?

Hi Selek.

No sensitive nerve struck with me. I have enjoyed reading some of these. I never realized there was a GodMaker's II movie out there. If it modeled the GodMaker's II book then I know why. That book was pathetic. Back in the days of records, ever buy one and after listening were mad you spent money on it? That was I how felt with GM's II. That book was raked over the coals by the majority of counter-Mormonism folks out there.

But it is always fun to mention the Egyptian facsimilies and watch the fun unfold (or more commonly the silence.)

[selek]

Hi ya Radix,

I know precisely what you mean about good money spent on bad bargains- in my case, it was Star Wars novels not authored by Timothy Zahn.

Lucas exercised almost zero editorial or quality control over the novels, and slapped a Star Wars logo on anything if they offered enough cash up front.

Unfortunately, the second "Godmakers" was comprised mostly of stuff too stupid to make the first cut.

Given the somnolent response their first opus recieved, they were scrambling for a reaction- of any kind- when the second one came round; and the desperation showed through as production "values" suffered.

[Greg Smith]

I assume you mean "try harder to find an antimormon who says something better." I accept this shallange.

A Biologist Looks at the Book of Mormon

by Dr. Thomas Key

http://ex-lds.com/mo...ogist_looks.htm

Anything here, anything, chose something at random and it would beat most of your adieu / at Jerusalem stuff and certainly the poor excuse of an antimormon argument stupidity taking the snakey cake referred to.

Example:

"Ether 9:30-34: ... Fourth, it would not be realistic for sheep to be driven to the south by poisonous snakes, as there are many fewer snakes in the north."

BTW, Key's doctorate is in teaching, not biology. His knowledge of biology comes mostly from catching snakes, rats, etc. as an exterminator after retiring from the classroom. Do not laugh; what are YOU going to do when you get so old nobody wants to hear your lectures?

Pappy

This is not a bad specimen of silliness.

For starters, the Book of Mormon no where says that "sheep" were being driven by the serpents. Apparently, Dr. Key believes that only sheep travels in flocks.

GLS

[Pappy Fiddle]

OK, this might be viewed as an unfair attempt to un-derail this thread, but going back to the original thread query, I have another antimormon argument, which might remind you there's another whole class of dumb arguments. From alt.religion.mormon.fellowship, thread "RISING TO THE MORMON CHALLENGE...." we have:

This is as good a time as any to recommend this superb web site:

http://www.ldschurchtemples.com

> There you can find photos, descriptions, addresses, and much more

> information on all LDS temples, as well as histories of some of the fuss

> over their building. In this regard I recommend reading about the

> Denver and Sacramento Temples in particular.

Looking up Sacramento: "...others claimed that the lighting would attract birds, causing them to fly endlessly around the spire until possibly colliding with the building."

And in Denver, there was an argument presented, in a lawsuit as I remember, that the Church did not own the land they were proposing to build on, because it included an area crisscrossed with trails, which joggers had been jogging on, insomuch that they felt it belonged to them. (The judge was not impressed.)

You see how this works: an announcement of a new Temple to be built - look at it from the anti POV, it's a threat with a deadline. If they don't come up with something FAST, the Temple will be built. Arguments that people come up with FAST are generally pretty STUPID. Sometimes they are inspired but in this case that doesn't apply. So here's a virtual argument-generator. And it's generated some doozies. A whole category of them, I guess.

Do you remember the one at Nauvoo? Should not rebuild the Nauvoo Temple because the location was an important historic ruin. To buttress this they used an artist's rendering of the ruins as they existed c. 1850.

Pappy

[Pappy Fiddle]

This is not a bad specimen of silliness. ... For starters, the Book of Mormon no where says that "sheep" were being driven by the serpents. Apparently, Dr. Key believes that only sheep travels in flocks.

It looked to me like he believed that snakes would not drive animals south, because there are more snakes in the SOUTH (ie. Dixie) than in the North (ie. Yankee Doodle zone.) I'd like to see his commentary on the Wizard of Oz.

[wenglund]

Well, the thread is getting derailed a bit in the first place, but I'll go ahead and ask anyways: What do you feel was Jesus' "job" in the first place? It wasn't to provide a fully expounded theology for His followers, it was to die for their sins.

And, at least as far as Mormons believe, the doctrines of the NT were much clearer prior to being tampered with by ill-designing individuals.

That you need to explain this fundamental point to her/him, evinces just how clueless she/he is about Christ and his gospel. The fact that she/he is fussing about Christ's post-resurrection visit to the americas, is yet more evidence of the clulessness.

Hopefully, she or he is here to be educated.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[Pappy Fiddle]

OK, here's another dumb one. When I was an investigator taking the missionary lessons, I was so excited to find the true religion that I wanted to share it with my Christian friends. One of them told me, very seriously and earnestly, that sooner or later, I would discover that the inner core of Mormonism is all evil, and they would require me to do things I know are wrong.

How to disprove this logically I know not. I evaluated it by noticing it was like another argument my sister used as a child: "If you don't climb over this fence, you'll turn green."

Pappy

[Scott Lloyd]

OK, here's another dumb one. When I was an investigator taking the missionary lessons, I was so excited to find the true religion that I wanted to share it with my Christian friends. One of them told me, very seriously and earnestly, that sooner or later, I would discover that the inner core of Mormonism is all evil, and they would require me to do things I know are wrong.

How to disprove this logically I know not. I evaluated it by noticing it was like another argument my sister used as a child: "If you don't climb over this fence, you'll turn green."

Pappy

Unless it is backed up by solid evidence, it is not necessary to disprove it. Logically speaking, the accuser bears the burden of proof, and if he cannot/will not meet it, the assertion collapses from its own lack of substantiation.

[Scott Lloyd]

But it is always fun to mention the Egyptian facsimilies and watch the fun unfold (or more commonly the silence.)

In this case, I submit that the silence was not because you caught us flat-footed, but because your mention of it was irrelevant to the purpose of this thread. The topic is the dumbest of the dumb anti-Mormon arguments. While there can be a viable defense against anti-Mormon criticism pertaining to the Book of Abraham, I wouldn't necessarily place it in the category of criticisms this thread was intended to highlight. So the silence was probably more a matter of people being disinclined to allow your attempted derailment of the thread.

[tsubotsubo]

One of the dumbest things I've ever heard is:

"The church can't be true because Joseph Smith said that men live on the moon."

Um...okay...if you say so...

Do these people not realize what they're saying?!

[cdowis]

My personal favorite:

One antimormon disguised himself as a Mormon, and posted that there is no physical evidence for the BOM because God hid it all, so that people would only use faith.

I challanged him on this, and he admitted that he was not a member of the church.

[Larrin]

One of the dumbest things I've ever heard is:

"The church can't be true because Joseph Smith said that men live on the moon."

Um...okay...if you say so...

Do these people not realize what they're saying?!

I know the background for this myth but another variation is I've heard that the Book of Mormon states there are 6 foot tall aliens on the moon. He also said that you would learn the same thing by asking any Mormon.

Another dumb argument that is a favorite of mine is 2 Timothy 3:16, about all scripture is given by inspiration and is profitable for doctrine, etc. How this possibly says that the Bible is the only viable scripture is beyond me.