Shots fired on my campus today. Charlie Kirk TPUSA leader dead

[ZealouslyStriving]

We just took a giant leap forward towards this:

Doctrine and Covenants 45:68-69

"And it shall come to pass among the wicked, that every man that will not take his sword against his neighbor must needs flee unto Zion for safety. And there shall be gathered unto it out of every nation under heaven; and it shall be the only people that shall not be at war one with another."

When law and order breaks down in the land of liberty, the dominoes will quickly fall in other nations.

[Calm]

6 hours ago, SeekingUnderstanding said:

 

Kash Patel FBI director:
https://x.com/FBIDirectorKash/status/1965903392934633587
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The subject for the horrific shooting today that took the life of Charlie Kirk is now in custody. Thank you to the local and state authorities in Utah for your partnership with

@fbi

. We will provide updates when able.

 

 

Saw this after I posted.  It was very upsetting to me.

[Rain]

5 minutes ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

We just took a giant leap forward towards this:

Doctrine and Covenants 45:68-69

"And it shall come to pass among the wicked, that every man that will not take his sword against his neighbor must needs flee unto Zion for safety. And there shall be gathered unto it out of every nation under heaven; and it shall be the only people that shall not be at war one with another."

When law and order breaks down in the land of liberty, the dominoes will quickly fall in other nations.

Why do you feel this murder got us closer there than any other murder/attempted murder that happened before?  What made this step more giant?

[Calm]

4 hours ago, Raingirl said:

The Mormon bashing has already begun online.  Posters are claiming he’s Mormon, and attacking the Church. 

From what angle?  The Church is conservative and promotes hate or we aren’t Christian?  Or something else?  I need to brace myself*** to go look at it myself today, but can’t hold the curiosity back either.

***For some reason it wasn’t my grandson being there that triggered a sense of hopelessness, maybe that made it too unreal.  But somehow thinking of the killer running through the neighborhood afterwards just really bugs me.  Maybe my brain chose that to get emotional about because it’s safer for my family at least.  Or maybe it’s just the accumulation of horrors.

[Calm]

4 hours ago, teddyaware said:

The lie that engaging in spirited and even intense political debate is a form of punishable violence is the cause of the problem. “Don’t tell me that biological men who identify as women can’t compete on women’s sports teams or we will shut you up with laws against ‘hate speech,’ and if that doesn’t work we’ll utilize more potent methods of shutting you up!”

Then Nehor is definitely not part of the problem.

[Calm]

Misread a comment…ignore

Edited September 12, 2025 by Calm

[Calm]

6 hours ago, Zosimus said:

Tyler Robinson, a 4.0 student with a university scholarship from Washington Utah. No indication whether or not he is LDS. It is southern Utah so the odds aren't as high as if he were from Orem

https://x.com/RedPill78/status/1966494010052120672

Given their chosen occupations and realizing I know nothing else about their life choices, my guess is his parents are feeling crushed, very confused and heartbroken right now (father is in law enforcement and mother healthcare).

Edited September 12, 2025 by Calm

[ZealouslyStriving]

12 minutes ago, Rain said:

Why do you feel this murder got us closer there than any other murder/attempted murder that happened before?  What made this step more giant?

I don't think you realize how big of a deal this is for some people. Perhaps you should spend some time on YouTube checking out conservative reaction videos. This is MLK big for some people. Just because his assassination wasn't a big deal in your circles or you think because you didn't agree with him that it is like any other death, doesn't make it so. I guarantee this will have a far more vast ripple than you currently realize.

[Calm]

1 hour ago, JVW said:

Perhaps the most tragic thing about this situation is that now that people can discern who their enemy is so easily

While I agree with you in much of what you say, I think that now it’s actually going to be harder to discern correctly because many people are too confident they can tell who the enemy is rather than continuing to self check their assumptions.

Edited September 12, 2025 by Calm

[Rain]

39 minutes ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

I don't think you realize how big of a deal this is for some people.

I do realize how big of a deal it is for some people.

 

39 minutes ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

Perhaps you should spend some time on YouTube checking out conservative reaction videos. This is MLK big for some people. Just because his assassination wasn't a big deal in your circles

This is not true.  It was a big deal in my circles. In fact I heard about it and the concerns in my close circles, before I heard how much it bothered people in my further ranging circles.

39 minutes ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

or you think because you didn't agree with him that it is like any other death

It has nothing to do with whether I agreed or disagreed with him and there were some things I did agree with him on.

39 minutes ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

, doesn't make it so. I guarantee this will have a far more vast ripple than you currently realize.

I apologized to you some time ago.  Since then I have made sure I never replied in a combative frame of mind to you.  I don't expect you to believe me, but it is true.

I asked what about it made you feel this murder got us closer to what the scripture said because I truly didn't know. I understand the great shock and suffering over it.  It bothered me for many reasons, but unfortunately I wasn't shocked because of what else I have been aware of. I just don't know why you felt this got us closer to this state than other murders.

Perhaps this is the wrong time to ask as the shock is still there.  I'll assume that is the case and let you grieve.

Edited September 12, 2025 by Rain

[Senator]

28 minutes ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

I don't think you realize how big of a deal this is for some people. Perhaps you should spend some time on YouTube checking out conservative reaction videos. This is MLK big for some people. Just because his assassination wasn't a big deal in your circles or you think because you didn't agree with him that it is like any other death, doesn't make it so. I guarantee this will have a far more vast ripple than you currently realize.

I hope they are prepared to alter their aim 180 degrees from where they are currently pointing

[Calm]

1 hour ago, Damien the Leper said:

What I mean by normalised is that people, not all, are never ever truly shocked when a mass/school shootings occurs. They are a part of everyday American life. It is absolutely reprehensible that people seem to hold their guns closer than they do their children, their loved ones or humanity as a whole. I am so sick and tired of the shallow bullsh!t offered up as rationalisations. Thoughts and prayers? Are you kidding me? People are dying! When the Pulse night club was shot up, Marco Rubio simply said it was Florida's turn. Florida's turn? Again, are you kidding me!?! Kirk's death is getting more airplay than the kids that were shot in Colorado. People have moved on from another school shooting. That's par for the course. I am absolutely devastated by the fact that we continue to allow this to happen. I am so damn angry! Our complacency should be our downfall. 

Thank you for explaining.  It is awful I find it relatively easy to agree with you that people are not truly shocked by mass/school shootings any more, especially given your qualification of it being some, not all.  They have become expected by many just as other forms of crime are, even if they are looked at with great horror.

[Calm]

42 minutes ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

don't think you realize how big of a deal this is for some people. Perhaps you should spend some time on YouTube checking out conservative reaction videos. This is MLK big for some people.

But why is it?

added:. Feel free to ignore the question if you want, I do believe people need space to grieve.

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Perhaps this is the wrong time to ask as the shock is still there.  I'll assume that is the case and let you grieve.

This is probably wisest (even though part of me is insisting to myself that people’s feelings and ideas are constantly rewritten and so if we want to understand we need to ask the questions of why do you feel/think this way no matter what).

Edited September 12, 2025 by Calm

[SeekingUnderstanding]

1 hour ago, Calm said:

Saw this after I posted.  It was very upsetting to me.

Especially the way it went down. Cox was holding a normal cautious press conference while Patel was live tweeting a play by play. I hate this timeline. 

[InCognitus]

8 hours ago, webbles said:

That sounds like 3 different people.  The minister (who very well could be a bishop), a US Marshal (friend of the minister), and his father.  But we should find out more in the next hour or so.

There are a lot of conflicting reports on this, but CNN is saying:

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The father of the Charlie Kirk shooting suspect urged his son to turn himself in to authorities yesterday after he confessed, to which the suspect responded: “I would rather kill myself than turn myself in,” a law enforcement official briefed on the investigation told CNN chief law enforcement analyst John Miller.

Tyler Robinson’s father was becoming convinced the shooter might be his son after recognizing him in photos released by authorities and he confronted him. “Tyler, is this you? This looks like you,” he asked the 22-year-old, the law enforcement source told Miller.

The suspect’s father then persuaded him to talk to a youth pastor who works with the Washington County Sheriff’s Office and the US Marshal’s Service. During that conversation, Robinson admitted to the crime, according to the source.

Robinson was taken into custody around 10 p.m. local time last night, the FBI said.

And then there are reports from the ever so trustworthy New York Post [sarcasm intended] that the killer was "raised a devout Mormon", and that he fired his shot at Kirk "just moments after the conservative influencer had glowingly praised the Church of Latter-day Saints", as if that was a trigger point for why he fired the shot.  But I don't see any way the killer could have been hearing anything being said at that moment unless he had a radio or something else.  And there are conflicting reports on what exactly Kirk was saying at the time he was killed.

The way they keep reporting that he was "raised a devout Mormon" implies that his family is not active in the church now, but I haven't found any information on that one way or another.

[Rain]

8 minutes ago, Calm said:

But why is it?

added:. Feel free to ignore the question if you want, I do believe people need space to grieve.

This is probably wisest (even though part of me is insisting to myself that people’s feelings and ideas are constantly rewritten and so if we want to understand we need to ask the questions of why do you feel/think this way no matter what).

I think part of it is that is how you personally cope. Probably some of that for me as well, but it's important for him cope in his own way.

[ZealouslyStriving]

24 minutes ago, Rain said:

I think part of it is that is how you personally cope. Probably some of that for me as well, but it's important for him cope in his own way.

Don't talk about me like I'm not here. Your's and Calm's words strike be like patronizingly patting a kid on the head after he has a crying fit.

While I don't advocate for violence obviously (read the verses I quoted) there are many out there without the same ethics and teachings as I have in the Restored Gospel (and general Christian Gospel) who will see this as a call to arms. Who have been further entrenched in the "come get my guns from my cold dead hands" mindset. Who feel more under attack than ever before- because if Charlie was killed for words, for inviting discussion, who's next?

I know you don't want to believe it but this really is different.

(I believe the prophecies in the Doctrine and Covenants will be fulfilled, including the above mentioned. I was only saying that this has done much to push us in that direction.)

 

Edited September 12, 2025 by ZealouslyStriving

[ZealouslyStriving]

6 hours ago, Raingirl said:

The Mormon bashing has already begun online.  Posters are claiming he’s Mormon, and attacking the Church. 

And the likely George McFly misapplication of counsel to avoid contention by many members will not help the situation. 

Edited September 12, 2025 by ZealouslyStriving

[Calm]

41 minutes ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

Don't talk about me like I'm not here. Your's and Calm's words strike be like patronizingly patting a kid on the head after he has a crying fit.

Didn’t mean it like that at all.  Was thinking about why I was needing to push you on it, not your reaction (I admit my world view can be very self centered, part of understanding others is trying to understand myself).  I went to ‘would I want people to push me to discuss my feelings when I am grieving…or anytime I wasn’t volunteering them’ and realized I wouldn’t.  I wasn’t thinking in the least you were being childish or anything like that.  I do hear anger and pain in people’s words, but see the reasons for it as very adult, concern for the world we all live in.  And I also realize I may be projecting emotion into the conversation as has happened numerous times in my view when people have told me I am upset or angry (though in those cases there wasn’t good reason to be upset in my view while there is here if only because his family and his friends are mourning).

Rain also knows I have worries over being understood and I have asked her and others for guidance and feedback on how I say things, I am guessing that was part of why she responded as she did.

Edited September 12, 2025 by Calm

[Calm]

29 minutes ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

I know you don't want to believe it but this really is different.

For me it’s not about not wanting to believe, it’s about not understanding why…and I realize being unable to understand could in part be driven by not wanting to believe, but it doesn’t seem that way inside my head.  I don’t feel like I have gotten to the point yet where I feel like I need to hold back on the judging because I am too bewildered to judge.  And I have never assumed that just because I don’t understand that motivation is likely irrational.  Much more likely in my experience I am just missing information…so I ask for more.

Edited September 12, 2025 by Calm

[Raingirl]

2 hours ago, Calm said:

From what angle?  The Church is conservative and promotes hate or we aren’t Christian?  Or something else?  I need to brace myself*** to go look at it myself today, but can’t hold the curiosity back either.

***For some reason it wasn’t my grandson being there that triggered a sense of hopelessness, maybe that made it too unreal.  But somehow thinking of the killer running through the neighborhood afterwards just really bugs me.  Maybe my brain chose that to get emotional about because it’s safer for my family at least.  Or maybe it’s just the accumulation of horrors.

Both of those, but - at least at the time I looked - it seemed to lean more towards we’re not Christians.  Which always makes me roll my eyes.  I mean the name is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. 

Kirk had actually praised Mormons earlier in his appearance. 

[Rain]

33 minutes ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

Don't talk about me like I'm not here.

We are not.

33 minutes ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

 

Your's and Calm's words strike be like patronizingly patting a kid on the head after he has a crying fit.

They weren't meant to be that way. I'm sorry they came across that way to you. 

33 minutes ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

While I don't advocate for violence obviously (read the verses I quoted) there are many out there without the same ethics and teachings as I have in the Restored Gospel (and general Christian Gospel) who will see this as a call to arms. Who have been further entrenched in the "come get my guns from my cold dead hands" mindset.

Ah, ok. I had that worry as well as soon as I heard he was shot. I just didn't realize this is what you thought the scripture was saying  Thank you for explaining.

33 minutes ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

 

Who feel more under attack than ever before- because if Charlie was killed for words, for inviting discussion, who's next?

I know you don't want to believe it but this really is different.

I don't think anyone wants to believe it.

33 minutes ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

(I believe the prophecies in the Doctrine and Covenants will be fulfilled, including the above mentioned. I was only saying that this has done much to push us in that direction.)

 

 

[ZealouslyStriving]

17 minutes ago, Calm said:

For me it’s not about not wanting to believe, it’s about not understanding why…

Maybe you have chosen to avoid politics and didn't have any idea what has been going on- so I will grant grace as to your not understanding why.

Charlie Kirk was incredibly popular, basically on JFK status with conservatives, and his star was growing. He was changing young hearts, even on college campuses, where conservative opinions have essentially been banned. He would've been THE face of conservatism. A hero was taken from them, they are not going to let this go lightly. They are not playing around. I don't know if you're on YouTube or Facebook, and based on your commentary here it probably wouldn't be in your algorithm, but people are pissed. People who have tried to let bygones be bygones are through playing nice. The atmosphere changed on Sept. 10th. Intelligent Democrats know it- that is why they are running to the cameras, talking about stopping political violence. They know what this has unleashed, and they're scared.

Edited September 12, 2025 by ZealouslyStriving

[Zosimus]

1 hour ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

Charlie Kirk was incredibly popular, basically on JFK status with conservatives, and his star was growing. He was changing young hearts, even on college campuses, where conservative opinions have essentially been banned. He would've been THE face of conservatism. A hero was taken from them, they are not going to let this go lightly.

True but also nuanced. Kirk was also strongly disliked by a loud minority of conservatives led by Fuentes who, I've heard argued, was rapidly displacing Kirk as the rising star. There are speculations that this infighting contributed to the tragedy

[JAHS]

Country Music Legend Donny Osmond Steps In to Support Charlie Kirk’s Children

In a surprising and heartfelt move, country music icon Donny Osmond has pledged to cover all living and educational expenses for the two children of conservative commentator Charlie Kirk, who passed away unexpectedly earlier this week.

Sources close to the Osmond family revealed that the decision was made privately within hours of Kirk’s passing. “Donny has always been a man of deep faith and compassion,” a family spokesperson said. “When he heard about the tragedy, his first thought was of the children and how he could ensure they have every opportunity to thrive.”

Kirk, a prominent political activist and founder of Turning Point USA, leaves behind a wife and two young children. Friends and supporters have expressed gratitude for Osmond’s gesture, calling it a reflection of the community spirit Kirk often championed.