Doctrine 612 Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 I know this topic has been talked about before many many times but I thought I share this interesting discussion going on in our stake.It has come to the attention of the stake that men ( age not a factor ) have been asked to attend the high priest group but still remain a elder. So the question was asked what to do, leave them as elders or ordain them as high priest.The answer is ordain them high priest after they have served in the group for sometime.1 year-3 years.And after this time that it is found that the man wishes to return to the elders then he could.I thought this was a good choice, because it helps them know where they stand and belong and not remain in a state of limbo. And the time served allows them to fulfill alma 13.Your thoughts.
tyler90az Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 (edited) If an older person has to remain in EQ they will feel out of place. They need to be allowed in the HP meetings one way or the other. I would not put a time frame on when they become actual HP let the spirit guide. Nobody else needs to know they are not a HP. People automatically assume an older gentlemen in HP meetings is a HP.Age not a factor? Why would anyone be asked to attend the HP group if they are not a HP or somebody who feels out of place? That seems like it would hurt unity more then anything else. Edited April 27, 2013 by tyler90az 1
Doctrine 612 Posted April 27, 2013 Author Posted April 27, 2013 (edited) They made sure to let the group know they were not being advance because they were old, also I was in my early twenty when i was asked to attend the high priest group and then a few years I was ordained a high priest still in my early twenties. Edited April 27, 2013 by Doctrine 612
tyler90az Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 So, you guys do not allow people in the HP group meetings based on age alone? You would let an out of place older gentlemen remain in EQ?---If younger gentlemen are called by the spirit to attend HP why place a time frame on when they are ordained?
Saints Alive Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 Seems weird to have anyone meet with the HP just because. If you had a calling that required ordination or if the leadership feels prompted to advance you is one thing, but I dont see any other reason to meet with the HP. Older elders can provide an important insight for the quorum.
CASteinman Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 That is strange to me. I see no reason to have young men meet with the High Priests if they are not High Priests. But its up to the Stake President. He has something in mind. This scenario is unusual to me though.
tyler90az Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 Older elders can provide an important insight for the quorum.I can agree with that. Just do not think they will stay active very long if they feel out of place. Have seen a few guys come to church occasionally and could tell they felt out of place. Another example of that is a guy who will not attend church because he is only an Aaronic Priesthood holder. Regardless if that is just an excuse, it illustrates a good point. People do not want to attend church if they are not comfortable. 1
Bill “Papa” Lee Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 I know this topic has been talked about before many many times but I thought I share this interesting discussion going on in our stake.It has come to the attention of the stake that men ( age not a factor ) have been asked to attend the high priest group but still remain a elder. So the question was asked what to do, leave them as elders or ordain them as high priest.The answer is ordain them high priest after they have served in the group for sometime.1 year-3 years.And after this time that it is found that the man wishes to return to the elders then he could.I thought this was a good choice, because it helps them know where they stand and belong and not remain in a state of limbo. And the time served allows them to fulfill alma 13.Your thoughts.This has been the rule for decades.
CASteinman Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 This has been the rule for decades.I have never seen it before. I have been to many many wards and stakes.
Saints Alive Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 I can agree with that. Just do not think they will stay active very long if they feel out of place. Have seen a few guys come to church occasionally and could tell they felt out of place. Another example of that is a guy who will not attend church because he is only an Aaronic Priesthood holder. Regardless if that is just an excuse, it illustrates a good point. People do not want to attend church if they are not comfortable.I haven't seen any people go inactive over this, not saying it doesn't happen, but i dont think it is common.
Duncan Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 In my stake we have young men meet with young men (like EQ) and older fellas meet with older fellas, regardless of priesthood ordination. My Dad is one of the oldest men in the stake and he is an Elder. It seems weird to me that you only get to be a High Priest if and only if you get to be in a Bishopric or on the High Council. My stake though being a High Priest means nothing as to spiritual maturity as we have numerous inactive high councilors, bishopric members, bishops and our Stake Patriarch went inactive a few years ago
Storm Rider Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 Priesthood meeting should be a place where those holding the priesthood learn ways to magnify their calling men, brothers, fathers, husbands, and priesthood holders. The actual priesthood held by an individual should not direct where an individual attends per se. Ordaining someone as a HP simply because of age is not in keeping with the purpose of the ordination. Allowing for healthy social relationships in church groups is completely in keeping with Christ-like living.
Duncan Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 Priesthood meeting should be a place where those holding the priesthood learn ways to magnify their calling men, brothers, fathers, husbands, and priesthood holders. The actual priesthood held by an individual should not direct where an individual attends per se. Ordaining someone as a HP simply because of age is not in keeping with the purpose of the ordination. Allowing for healthy social relationships in church groups is completely in keeping with Christ-like living.what should you base it on? a calling? I think someone should be ordained because of spirituality
Storm Rider Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 what should you base it on? a calling? I think someone should be ordained because of spiritualitySo you think that an individual should be ordained as a HP because they are spiritual? What is the purpose of priesthood offices?
WmLaw Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 Certainly not all HP ordinations come about because of specific callings.
Duncan Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 (edited) So you think that an individual should be ordained as a HP because they are spiritual? What is the purpose of priesthood offices?sometimes I wonder! I just know many, many inactive HP and it doesn't seem to matter that they were in these certain callings (bishoprics, high councillors, etc) or for that matter spiritually minded people. Maybe I am too idealistic but if you are a High Priest I anticipate you are a spiritual person on some level and maintain that, rather then you are buddy buddy with people and don't really care about spirituality. Case in point recently I went to my Bishop who has been on the High Council ever since I was a kid and I asked him several spiritual questions that I expected some kind of revelation on or insight, all I got was shrug of his shoulders, nothing, no blessing or any insight or counsel-never doing that again. I expected with all that experience he would have something but apprently not.I am not bitter just learned some lessons from that's for sure Edited April 27, 2013 by Duncan
Bikeemikey Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 Certainly not all HP ordinations come about because of specific callings.people can be called high priests with out needing to have a HP calling. 1
rongo Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 When our ward was formed, we proposed several brothers to be ordained as high priests simply because we had *no* high priests. It was a very young ward, with 95% of people in their 20s with little kids. Both counselors in the bishopric were called out of the elders quorum and had to be ordained (I had been a counselor in two previous bishoprics, and was already a high priest). Even now (nearly six years later), there are about ten people older than 50. We have an enormous primary, though . . .
Doctrine 612 Posted April 27, 2013 Author Posted April 27, 2013 sometimes I wonder! I just know many, many inactive HP and it doesn't seem to matter that they were in these certain callings (bishoprics, high councillors, etc) or for that matter spiritually minded people. Maybe I am too idealistic but if you are a High Priest I anticipate you are a spiritual person on some level and maintain that, rather then you are buddy buddy with people and don't really care about spirituality. Case in point recently I went to my Bishop who has been on the High Council ever since I was a kid and I asked him several spiritual questions that I expected some kind of revelation on or insight, all I got was shrug of his shoulders, nothing, no blessing or any insight or counsel-never doing that again. I expected with all that experience he would have something but apprently not.I am not bitter just learned some lessons from that's for sureNot all genral authority's are gospel scholars, even member of the high council may not even understand the scriptures.I have talked with many members of the stake presidency and high council in my stake, and they will admitte to not studying there scriptures, and when were in priesthood meeting I have to bit my tongue not to embarrass them, but wait until after the meeting to talk with them, they always say next time let us know sooner, but I know that would not go by well.
ERayR Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 Seems weird to have anyone meet with the HP just because. If you had a calling that required ordination or if the leadership feels prompted to advance you is one thing, but I dont see any other reason to meet with the HP. Older elders can provide an important insight for the quorum.As High Priests are generally older(the exceptions being younger men being called to callings requiring ordination to the office of High Priest) so the older Elders are given the opportunity to meet with their peers in age for instruction and social activities. It becomes difficult for older elders to keep up with the younger elders in the basketball games.
ERayR Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 I have never seen it before. I have been to many many wards and stakes.Never the less it has been the policy and practice for years.
Duncan Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 Not all genral authority's are gospel scholars, even member of the high council may not even understand the scriptures.I have talked with many members of the stake presidency and high council in my stake, and they will admitte to not studying there scriptures, and when were in priesthood meeting I have to bit my tongue not to embarrass them, but wait until after the meeting to talk with them, they always say next time let us know sooner, but I know that would not go by well.oh I know that! not even I as well! ha! I just wanted counsel or advice or an offer for a blessing, I don't like to ask I dunno I just felt the cold shoulder but as I say it shouldn't be like that
Glenn101 Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 I know this topic has been talked about before many many times but I thought I share this interesting discussion going on in our stake.It has come to the attention of the stake that men ( age not a factor ) have been asked to attend the high priest group but still remain a elder. So the question was asked what to do, leave them as elders or ordain them as high priest.The answer is ordain them high priest after they have served in the group for sometime.1 year-3 years.And after this time that it is found that the man wishes to return to the elders then he could.I thought this was a good choice, because it helps them know where they stand and belong and not remain in a state of limbo. And the time served allows them to fulfill alma 13.Your thoughts.I don't know why I was asked to meet with the High Priests when I was in the XXXX XXXXXX ward. Why did they want me to meet with all of those old, gray haired men?Glenn
ERayR Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 I don't know why I was asked to meet with the High Priests when I was in the XXXX XXXXXX ward. Why did they want me to meet with all of those old, gray haired men?GlennPerhaps to keep matching hair color in the same group. 1
CASteinman Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 Never the less it has been the policy and practice for years.To put young men out of Elders Quorum and into High Priests without them being ordained High Priests? And then after 3 years if they want they can be ordained High Priests and then start attending Elders Quorum again? I've never seen this in 40 years
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