A Theory on the Satanic Hatred Towards Women

[ZealouslyStriving]

I have been watching a number of videos on the Divine Feminine (Heavenly Mother). During the most recent video the question struck me: "Why has Satan made such an exerted effort, since the very beginning, to diminish women and their roles?" Then thought occurred to me to ponder the stories of Sarah and Rebecca, both of whom had to prod their faithful husbands in some way to deal correctly with their wayward sons.

So...

Is it possible that Satan is so especially hateful towards women because it was Heavenly Mother who had to help persuade Heavenly Father that Satan needed to be cast out completely and that it was her daughters that fought the most valiantly against him in the war in heaven? 

Am I making sense? 

Any thoughts?

[The Nehor]

Wait, Sarah having Hagar and Ishmael exiled and left to die was righteous? Rebecca and Jacob’s deception was the righteous course?

I mean……Sarah also convinced Abraham to have a son with Hagar and then when her plan backfired she decided to throw out the results of her previous bad decisions and hope they would go away.

I have a hard time seeing why Jacob should be divinely approved over Esau. Jacob is clearly duplicitous and sneaky.

The Torah includes laws telling people not to do what Abraham and Isaac did.

Why attribute misogyny to Satan when men (and many women) are the more likely culprits?

[ZealouslyStriving]

2 hours ago, The Nehor said:

Wait, Sarah having Hagar and Ishmael exiled and left to die was righteous? Rebecca and Jacob’s deception was the righteous course?

I mean……Sarah also convinced Abraham to have a son with Hagar and then when her plan backfired she decided to throw out the results of her previous bad decisions and hope they would go away.

She had Ishmael removed because he was "mocking" young Isaac, which has had some interesting interpretations over the years.

2 hours ago, The Nehor said:

I have a hard time seeing why Jacob should be divinely approved over Esau. Jacob is clearly duplicitous and sneaky.

Rebecca received clear revelation that Jacob was to receive the birthright. Isaac, proud of his rough and tumble boy, clearly wasn't going to comply so she intervened.

2 hours ago, The Nehor said:

The Torah includes laws telling people not to do what Abraham and Isaac did.

Why attribute misogyny to Satan when men (and many women) are the more likely culprits?

 

[Robert F. Smith]

9 hours ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

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Is it possible that Satan is so especially hateful towards women because it was Heavenly Mother who had to help persuade Heavenly Father that Satan needed to be cast out completely and that it was her daughters that fought the most valiantly against him in the war in heaven? 

Am I making sense? 

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Latter-day Saints tend to make Eve the heroine of the Garden Story, but being valiant in the War in Heaven was last used to diminish the status of Black people, and that didn't turn out too well.

Heaping scorn on men in general, and even finding masculinity toxic has not had a good effect on men generally, and statistics now show that the divide between women and men has never been more acute.  That may not be as true among Latter-day Saints, but it is a major problem for most of the population in America.  The new woke religion is having real consequences.

[ZealouslyStriving]

49 minutes ago, Robert F. Smith said:

Latter-day Saints tend to make Eve the heroine of the Garden Story, but being valiant in the War in Heaven was last used to diminish the status of Black people, and that didn't turn out too well.

Heaping scorn on men in general, and even finding masculinity toxic has not had a good effect on men generally, and statistics now show that the divide between women and men has never been more acute.  That may not be as true among Latter-day Saints, but it is a major problem for most of the population in America.  The new woke religion is having real consequences.

That wasn't intention. But it does seem obvious there has been a satanically inspired war on women from the beginning- historically treating them as lesser beings, to now scorning femininity and the encouraging of them to be like men in order to achieve "equality".

That masculinity is now under attack I don't disagree, but women have borne the brunt of gender based bias historically.

Satan just seems to have a special animus towards women for some reason- and I reckon it has something to do with the War in Heaven.

Edited December 17, 2024 by ZealouslyStriving

[Tacenda]

5 hours ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

That wasn't intention. But it does seem obvious there has been a satanically inspired war on women from the beginning- historically treating them as lesser beings, to now scorning femininity and the encouraging of them to be like men in order to achieve "equality".

That masculinity is now under attack I don't disagree, but women have borne the brunt of gender based bias historically.

Satan just seems to have a special animus towards women for some reason- and I reckon it has something to do with the War in Heaven.

I'm not a believer in Satan as I used to be. But do believe the writers of the Bible, aren't always accurate. And hold the Bible accountable for how women are treated in history and currently.

[ZealouslyStriving]

25 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

I'm not a believer in Satan as I used to be. But do believe the writers of the Bible, aren't always accurate. And hold the Bible accountable for how women are treated in history and currently.

You hold the Bible accountable for how women are treated in Islam, Hinduism, etc... ?

The same Bible that teaches that husband are to love be their wives as Christ loved the Church and gave himself for it?

Edited December 17, 2024 by ZealouslyStriving

[Calm]

1 hour ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

same Bible that teaches that husband are to love be their wives as Christ loved the Church and gave himself for it?

The same Bible that teaches a woman should marry her rapist as some interpretations have it?

Edited December 17, 2024 by Calm

[MustardSeed]

I personally do not hold Satan accountable for the way women have been treated. In my opinion, blaming Satan creates a distraction for the reality and culpability of human beings. Personal accountability is crucial for change to ever occur.

[Calm]

13 minutes ago, MustardSeed said:

In my opinion, blaming Satan creates a distraction for the reality and culpability of human beings. Personal accountability is crucial for change to ever occur.

Shifts the focus to resisting Satan rather than choosing good over evil imo.

[ZealouslyStriving]

26 minutes ago, MustardSeed said:

I personally do not hold Satan accountable for the way women have been treated. In my opinion, blaming Satan creates a distraction for the reality and culpability of human beings. Personal accountability is crucial for change to ever occur.

Definitely not blaming Satan for decisions that have been made using agency.

But are you saying Satan doesn't invite, entice, and persuade to do evil?

 

[ZealouslyStriving]

15 minutes ago, Calm said:

Shifts the focus to resisting Satan rather than choosing good over evil imo.

James 4:7

"Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you."

[MustardSeed]

My dad often flipped other drivers off when I was growing up.  My dad exists. He had an influence. Still does. 
If I flip somebody off in public, I am 100% to blame.  I acknowledge that my dad exists and that he has an influence on me. . But I never blame him. 

[ZealouslyStriving]

3 minutes ago, MustardSeed said:

My dad often flipped other drivers off when I was growing up.  My dad exists. He had an influence. Still does. 
If I flip somebody off in public, I am 100% to blame.  I acknowledge that my dad exists and that he has an influence on me. . But I never blame him. 

Where have I blamed Satan for the choices people have made?

[MustardSeed]

Where did you get the idea that Satan is especially hateful to women? 

[Robert F. Smith]

11 hours ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

That wasn't intention. But it does seem obvious there has been a satanically inspired war on women from the beginning- historically treating them as lesser beings, to now scorning femininity and the encouraging of them to be like men in order to achieve "equality".

Women in America achieved equality decades ago, thanks to organized efforts, and laws such as Title IX (which is now under assault by transwomen).  Today, 2/3 of all college students are women.  If a woman chooses a career which makes marriage and children unlikely, that is her right.  It is not up to others to make that decision for her.

11 hours ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

That masculinity is now under attack I don't disagree, but women have borne the brunt of gender based bias historically.

Satan just seems to have a special animus towards women for some reason- and I reckon it has something to do with the War in Heaven.

Nope.  It has always been the men who had to go out and hunt game, risking their lives to feed the clan.  It is men who have always borne the brunt of war, and taken the greatest risks.  Most suicides are male.  Men have a shorter life-span than women.  90% of those in prison are men.

For most of human history (including the long stone age), men and women pair-bonded and closely cooperated to just barely eke out a living and feed their children.  This was normally within a clan or extended family.  The nuclear family could not exist then.  Life was "nasty brutish and short," but having aunts, uncles, grandparents, cousins, and siblings around helped ease the rigors of real life.

Even in her pathbreaking 1949 feminist book The Second Sex, Simone de Beauvoir had a chapter on the sweetness of love between a man and a woman, and she herself was in love with a great philosopher (for life).

Men have generally held women in high regard, and not only due to natural female beauty, but also because they were raised by women -- their mothers, from whom they learned unconditional love.  Blaming Satan or the War in Heaven for modern social problems might be a distraction from our own shortcomings and peccadillos.  We need to take responsibility for our own actions.

[The Nehor]

18 hours ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

She had Ishmael removed because he was "mocking" young Isaac, which has had some interesting interpretations over the years.

Seems a bit extreme to send his son to die. Then again this is Abraham. If God hadn’t sent angels he would have successfully killed both of his sons.

Does make one wonder about his sons by his last wife. Did he try to kill all of them too triggering even more angelic interventions.

18 hours ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

Rebecca received clear revelation that Jacob was to receive the birthright. Isaac, proud of his rough and tumble boy, clearly wasn't going to comply so she intervened.

That is a nice story but it is not actually in the text of the story. 

[The Nehor]

13 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said:

Latter-day Saints tend to make Eve the heroine of the Garden Story, but being valiant in the War in Heaven was last used to diminish the status of Black people, and that didn't turn out too well.

That is fair.

13 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said:

Heaping scorn on men in general, and even finding masculinity toxic has not had a good effect on men generally, and statistics now show that the divide between women and men has never been more acute.  That may not be as true among Latter-day Saints, but it is a major problem for most of the population in America.  The new woke religion is having real consequences.

“Never been more acute”? Even back when women were property or pseudoproperty? That is quite the claim.

Also why do so many religious people insult ideologies and social justice movements by calling them a religion? Is it  a clumsy sleight of hand to try to implicitly call it idolatry with plausible deniability?

[The Nehor]

8 minutes ago, Robert F. Smith said:

Men have generally held women in high regard, and not only due to natural female beauty, but also because they were raised by women -- their mothers, from whom they learned unconditional love.

lmao

Just no. Men were not “generally” taught unconditional love by their mothers. History would be very very different if they had. Yes, families often loved each other. Many men had great respect for their mothers. Those men did not generally consider women their equals.

Aristotle set the tone for his readers when he described the much lesser virtue women could aspire to. It was similar to the virtues a slave could cultivate and set the tone for the treatment of women for millennia.

Also the natural female beauty didn’t cause a feeling of high regard. It more often led to possessiveness with all the rape and abuse and jealousy and methods of control men could devise for this. Also men have natural beauty. Also the whole “natural” part of the beauty thing has been a problem throughout history. In the Mediterranean world the ideal woman was Helen of Troy. Like today you were supposed to match her beauty but you weren’t supposed to try to match her beauty. Using cosmetics was cheating so they were often used in such a way that people couldn’t tell you were using them. Like today.

[The Nehor]

3 hours ago, MustardSeed said:

Where did you get the idea that Satan is especially hateful to women? 

Are period cramps caused by demons? It would explain a lot.

[Calm]

5 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said:

Women in America achieved equality decades ago, thanks to organized efforts, and laws such as Title IX

You mean the law that drove women out of coaching jobs?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/30/sports/ncaabasketball/coaches-women-title-ix.html#:~:text=In 1972%2C when the gender,decreased to about 40 percent.

Edited December 18, 2024 by Calm

[Calm]

5 hours ago, The Nehor said:

Are period cramps caused by demons? It would explain a lot.

They are in my family.

And ibuprofen heaven sent.

[MustardSeed]

6 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said:

Women in America achieved equality decades ago

I don’t think we can say that yet but I believe we are moving in that direction.  IMO there are too many individuals groups and organizations holding fast to patriarchy and tradition, and the comfort of the familiar. But many people are champions of equality, and that’s hopeful. 

Edited December 18, 2024 by MustardSeed

[SeekingUnderstanding]

20 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said:

and even finding masculinity toxic

Um, recognizing that some expressions of masculinity are toxic is not the same as finding masculinity toxic. Is this the level of nuance you bring to all your scholarship?

[Robert F. Smith]

2 hours ago, SeekingUnderstanding said:

Um, recognizing that some expressions of masculinity are toxic is not the same as finding masculinity toxic. Is this the level of nuance you bring to all your scholarship?

Depends on whether the measure is extremist, ideological claims about imaginary "toxic masculinity," or simply the observable fact that any Bell curve will have oddities at the extremes -- which tells us nothing about reality, but can be used as a weapon in bellicose discourse.  Marxist wokeism is not bashful about insisting on "systemic" problems, as defined by them.